Bear.9568 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Buff Thief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec B.8905 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 NO LUL, thief does not need any buffs. if you ever watch any good thief player they slap so hard right now. Thief has always been in the top tier of classes. Thief does NOT need a buff at all if not more nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tashigi.3159 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Thief is finally in a place where it's prob best balanced. Maybe it'd needs a bit of a small tiny, tiny tune up and down in some areas but I rather not risk it. ANET's idea of a tune up is giving you a rocket launcher and a tune down is basically removing your class from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avey.4201 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 power guardian wants thief burst, then thief can has buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 And I'm gonna leave this here : Buff Warrior first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I main engi, butBuff Mesmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 @Bear.9568 said:Buff ThiefYeah, I think I've seen a thief die once, 4 days ago, it's definitely weak now :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just a hint, making a buff thread in a forum that has a universal thief hating population isn't gonna yield great results. The community gives 0 $hits if u enjoy the class, how many enjoy the class or what kinda state it's in balanced or not as they truly only want the class to be unusable or deleted from the game.For yrs players have said that thiefs mobility was broken and that their mobility should be hard nerfed then maybe the could get some damage back to get away from the decap runner role. As anyone coulda guessed though even when thee tool that gave them such mobility is hard nerfed they still want the class mobility nerfed more and any idea of buffs to other areas are not unfathomable, funny though how when the nerfs to mobility do actually come know one wants to discuss buffs in other areas lol. I'm glad the pvp population dead, well deserved and not a surprise at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endo.1652 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 gut shadow arts to the ground, its boring AF to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 @Endorphin.9147 said:gut shadow arts to the ground, its boring AF to play.then dont play it, its not like other traits are unplayable, in fact if enemy team doesnt have thief I think other traits are better then SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jekkt.6045 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 i would not mind a sword auto buff. everything else would probably only result in some stupid gimmick build again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endo.1652 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 @Leonidrex.5649 i dont play it most of the time, the problem is when vsing other thieves (which there is usually 1-2 thieves on each team every match in my experience) if you are not running shadow arts you are putting yourself at a disadvantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 @Endorphin.9147 said:@Leonidrex.5649 i dont play it most of the time, the problem is when vsing other thieves (which there is usually 1-2 thieves on each team every match in my experience) if you are not running shadow arts you are putting yourself at a disadvantageyep, this is thiefs problem. they have LOADS of builds, but they are all gate kept, not by other classes but by enemy thief, kind off ironic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endo.1652 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 i agree lmao, hence gut shadow arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Getting 1 ini back from shadows rejuvenation each time they go In stealth does make up for the nerf costs to shadow shot/ini arrow. Cant remember when black powder went to 6 as well, pretty sure it use to be 5 at 1 point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromazene.4807 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 They are still going to be used in MATs, so... I don't know what to tell you, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Endorphin.9147 said:gut shadow arts to the ground, its boring AF to play.then dont play it, its not like other traits are unplayable, in fact if enemy team doesnt have thief I think other traits are better then SATheyre not. DA used to be fine but its bad now, and acrobatics and critical strikes are in fact unplayable, though for different reasons. Granted, not like DA plays any different to SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 @UNOwen.7132 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Endorphin.9147 said:gut shadow arts to the ground, its boring AF to play.then dont play it, its not like other traits are unplayable, in fact if enemy team doesnt have thief I think other traits are better then SATheyre not. DA used to be fine but its bad now, and acrobatics and critical strikes are in fact unplayable, though for different reasons. Granted, not like DA plays any different to SA.im speaking about good thiefs, that can survive without stealthing for 20s+ at a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@UNOwen.7132 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Endorphin.9147 said:gut shadow arts to the ground, its boring AF to play.then dont play it, its not like other traits are unplayable, in fact if enemy team doesnt have thief I think other traits are better then SATheyre not. DA used to be fine but its bad now, and acrobatics and critical strikes are in fact unplayable, though for different reasons. Granted, not like DA plays any different to SA.im speaking about good thiefs, that can survive without stealthing for 20s+ at a timeYes. For those too SA is superior to DA, and Acrobatics and Critical strikes are unplayable, and their playstyle doesnt change if they were to pick DA. Not entirely sure what point you were making here tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 @"UNOwen.7132" said:Theyre not. DA used to be fine but its bad now, and acrobatics and critical strikes are in fact unplayable, though for different reasons. Granted, not like DA plays any different to SA.DA is still pretty good, but it has been demoted to "use if yu have the slot for it" which makes it really only used on Core Thief.SA is just up there with Trickery right now : Too good to not use, too many benefits to ignore.To not use SA is to lose an Emergency Stealth from using a Heal Skill, to lose cleanse while in Stealth, to lose Venom Siphon, to lose Boon Steal on Stealth attack now that Bountiful Thief has been nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 @Yasai.3549 said:@"UNOwen.7132" said:Theyre not. DA used to be fine but its bad now, and acrobatics and critical strikes are in fact unplayable, though for different reasons. Granted, not like DA plays any different to SA.DA is still pretty good, but it has been demoted to "use if yu have the slot for it" which makes it really only used on Core Thief.SA is just up there with Trickery right now : Too good to not use, too many benefits to ignore.The issue is that DA is inferior damage-wise to both DD and SA. The only reason youd ever pick DA is because you either dont have HoT, or youre playing S/D which doesnt use stealth attacks at all.To not use SA is to lose an Emergency Stealth from using a Heal Skill, to lose cleanse while in Stealth, to lose Venom Siphon, to lose Boon Steal on Stealth attack now that Bountiful Thief has been nerfed. Oh you wouldnt particularly miss most of those. The cleanse in stealth is pretty damn weak as is, and people are often not even using it. The stealth on heal skill is not terrible, but not worth a traitline, and the boon rip is nice, but now that its just 1 stolen boon, not imperative. No the main reason you pick SA is because its the most consistent damage traitline in its slot. DA does less damage, CS is completely unreliable to the point where it will usually do less damage as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeerlessArch.6547 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 yep, this is thiefs problem. they have LOADS of builds, but they are all gate kept, not by other classes but by enemy thief, kind off ironicLol@ LOADS of builds.Gut SA and you'll have 2 dead trait lines (hello acro) and a traitline thats basically mandatory for all builds (trickery). Where will these loads of viable builds come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix.2386 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Endorphin.9147 said:@Leonidrex.5649 i dont play it most of the time, the problem is when vsing other thieves (which there is usually 1-2 thieves on each team every match in my experience) if you are not running shadow arts you are putting yourself at a disadvantageyep, this is thiefs problem. they have LOADS of builds, but they are all gate kept, not by other classes but by enemy thief, kind off ironicthief doesn't only gate kept thief tho. that's the problem. thief also gate kept any roamer that isnt thiefthat's why you are able to play non-SA when enemy has no thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 @felix.2386 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Endorphin.9147 said:@Leonidrex.5649 i dont play it most of the time, the problem is when vsing other thieves (which there is usually 1-2 thieves on each team every match in my experience) if you are not running shadow arts you are putting yourself at a disadvantageyep, this is thiefs problem. they have LOADS of builds, but they are all gate kept, not by other classes but by enemy thief, kind off ironicthief doesn't only gate kept thief tho. that's the problem. thief also gate kept any roamer that isnt thiefthat's why you are able to play non-SA when enemy has no thief.I know, playing power mesmer doesnt even feel all that bad when enemy doesnt have thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjo.6143 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 @Yasai.3549 said:And I'm gonna leave this here : Buff Warrior first.Buff? What u want more in a warrior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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