Legendary armor by pve exploration [Merged]

[yann.1946]

4 minutes ago, Rinagal.9235 said:

The thing is, it's not, you can directly buy legendary weapons from TP, so they aren't locked behind any specific content type.

Yes, gen 1 weapons are the expection their. (and theirs a reason they changed that for gen 2 and 2.5)

[Captain Kuro.8937]

7 hours ago, yann.1946 said:

And the general positivity of the playerbase would be really low.

You mean , like the positivity between the hardcore and casual side ?

Like the treat each other , like they have a disease ?

 

What matter is creating more content/server staying alive  .

And re-using assets that people after 6 years haven't still  got (and never will) , is an  easyway to go

Edited August 27, 2021 by Captain Kuro.8937

[yann.1946]

15 minutes ago, Dante.1763 said:

We do at least know that the amount of players doing raids was/is much smaller than even anet thought it would be.

How many folks would gain from an ow set? No clue honestly, we wont ever know, its all assumptions either way.

Then again Gen 2 weapons had a much lower percentage of players obtaining them compared to Gen 1, and anet is making a gen 3 now. I wonder if more folks will make those, time will tell!

Yes, but gen 2 legendaries are more loved as far as i can tell. The fact that less people have them is not really a problem. 🙂

[yann.1946]

Just now, Captain Kuro.8937 said:

You mean , like the positivity between the hardcore and casual side ?

Like the treat each other , like they have a disease ?

 

What matter is creating more content/server staying alive  . People are not  meant to like each other

Might i remind you that the fora do not represent the playerbase.

 

its not about liking eachother though, its about people quitting because they would feel looked down upon.

in this case no owset is better then the abomination you proposed.

[yoni.7015]

8 minutes ago, Kondor.2904 said:

When some players want something, they go in, spend time and put effort into getting it. And then there’s other players who would rather go on forums and create a 24 pages long polemics thesis about how they are too of a special needs class kid to go the same route as everyone else. Fascinating.

If you put the same effort you put into this pointless thread, you’d be halfway through into getting your desired legendary. 

It’s the mentality of some people to think everything evolves around them and they are better than others. So if they don’t like something they expect it to be changed so they are pleased. 
Instead of doing the same things others did to get legendary armor they come to the forum to complain. 

[Imba.9451]

3 minutes ago, yann.1946 said:

Yes, but gen 2 legendaries are more loved as far as i can tell. The fact that less people have them is not really a problem. 🙂

Wich might be correlated. They are more expensive, more time consuming to carft, thus more rare and therefore carrying more "prestige".

[yann.1946]

Just now, yoni.7015 said:

It’s the mentality of some people to think everything evolves around them and they are better than others. So if they don’t like something they expect it to be changed so they are pleased. 
Instead of doing the same things others did to get legendary armor they come to the forum to complain. 

The we done it this way so everyone else needs to do it this way is a pretty weak argument.

[Rinagal.9235]

8 minutes ago, Kondor.2904 said:

When some players want something, they go in, spend time and put effort into getting it. And then there’s other players who would rather go on forums and create a 24 pages long polemics thesis about how they are too of a special needs class kid to go the same route as everyone else. Fascinating.

Or you could read through this thread and find out that "spend time and put effort into getting it" point already has been disscussed instead of bashing the door with your "new" arguments.

[yann.1946]

1 minute ago, Imba.9451 said:

Wich might be correlated. They are more expensive, more time consuming to carft, thus more rare and therefore carrying more "prestige".

probably. Also more time spent with them in their crafting. 🙂

Edited August 27, 2021 by yann.1946

[yoni.7015]

Just now, yann.1946 said:

The we done it this way so everyone else needs to do it this way is a pretty weak argument.

It is not an argument. But why do you think you are better than others? What makes you so special? 

[xenon.3264]

6 minutes ago, yann.1946 said:

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Have you considered people just wanting to share the thing they enjoy to more people.

people do not like raids. it's been years since they were released. deal with it

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Honeslty, it might be healthier to have less afk, but that is a whole different topic.

 

No,  it's exactly this topic. 

first your looking at it from a player perspective. but why rewards are implemented is a dev perspective question.

 

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Also we dont just reward time, we reward engagement. (why we have sbronze, silve, gold event completions.)

silver gold and bronze are pointless in pvp nor it's required to get anything in pvp

 

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Incentives are added because pvp needs a critical mass of people to function. 

they should add bots like in every pvp deathmach game 

 

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But you would also remove potential future players of the gamemode who are interested in doing it after having tried it. 

you know which is the most hated part of crafting a weapon for pvers ? the wvw gift . but when they get it they try wvw and pvp.

  

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Why would someone engage with the gamemode if their forced into it?

"motivational reward" are forcing player into a gamemode that's why they hate

 

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Do you think the majority of pve players doing pvp for the armour afk?

if not afk with the lesser effort possible

 

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No, and i already explained why motivational rewards do more.

i disagree but not trying to change your mind. 

[Captain Kuro.8937]

7 hours ago, yann.1946 said:

Might i remind you that the fora do not represent the playerbase.

 

its not about liking eachother though, its about people quitting because they would feel looked down upon.

in this case no owset is better then the abomination you proposed.

What abomination ?

You are simply saying over and over again that they don't deserve Legendary Gear  .

I am telling them , that they have a choice:

a) Get the new-Legendary Skin (same as Raids) , but for every 2 pieces you get your trasmute cost , increase by +1

b) Do not get it .

c) Get it , and the long run if you hate the cost , upgrade it by getting the HoT raids/PvP/WvW or delete it .

Edited August 27, 2021 by Captain Kuro.8937

[yann.1946]

Just now, Captain Kuro.8937 said:

What abomination ?

You are simply saying over and over again that they don't deserve Legendary Gear  .

I am telling them , that they have a choice:

a) Get the new-Legendary Skin (same as Raids) , but for every 2 pieces you get your trasmute cost , increase by +1

b) Do not get it .

c) Get it , and the long run if you hate the cost , try the HoT raids/PvP/WvW

Im telling you that it would be better to have a unique open world set.

And that your suggestion is worse then not having the ow set at all. Im not making claims about deserving things, its a stupid worth that is absolutely useless in this conversation.

[Rinagal.9235]

9 minutes ago, yann.1946 said:

Yes, gen 1 weapons are the expection their. (and theirs a reason they changed that for gen 2 and 2.5)

It doesn't change the fact that you can still buy gen 1 weapons from TP, gen 2 not working the same way is out of matter, because QoL features are subject of discussion, not skins.

[yann.1946]

4 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

It is not an argument. But why do you think you are better than others? What makes you so special? 

I dont why would you think so? 

[yann.1946]

Just now, Rinagal.9235 said:

It doesn't change the fact that you can still buy gen 1 weapons from TP, gen 2 not working the same way is out of matter, because QoL features are subject of discussion, not skins.

Sort of, the fact is that apperently they where unhappy with the gen 1 implimentation and for all later legendaries (not just weapons) the made their acquisition more restrictive.

Why do you think they would have done that?

[xenon.3264]

Just now, yann.1946 said:

Sort of, the fact is that apperently they where unhappy with the gen 1 implimentation and for all later legendaries (not just weapons) the made their acquisition more restrictive.

Why do you think they would have done that?

actually is the opposite. it's not more restrictive. 

gen1 could be crafted only if u were that lucky to drop the precursor. otherwise it was just moeny farming.

 

so gen 2 added a precursor crafting.

 

but the events related to the crafting were considered too hard so 

 

2.5 just mats

[Captain Kuro.8937]

7 hours ago, yann.1946 said:

Im telling you that it would be better to have a unique open world set.

And that your suggestion is worse then not having the ow set at all. Im not making claims about deserving things, its a stupid worth that is absolutely useless in this conversation.

The company should not waste resources on something new .

They ought to incentivize long term ROI .

And whats better , by re-suing asset's that most don't have and really want

And from that incentive , in the long run can offer them money 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Captain Kuro.8937

[Gehenna.3625]

Just now, xenon.3264 said:

actually is the opposite. it's not more restrictive. 

gen1 could be crafted only if u were that lucky to drop the precursor. otherwise it was just moeny farming.

 

so gen 2 added a precursor crafting.

 

but the events related to the crafting were considered too hard so 

 

2.5 just mats

It is more restrictive in the sense that you can spend 200 bucks on gems and then just buy the gen 1 legendary instead of having to do a lot by yourself in game modes you may not enjoy for the gen 2 legendary.

[yann.1946]

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

 

people do not like raids. it's been years since they were released. deal with it

 

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

No,  it's exactly this topic. 

 

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

silver gold and bronze are pointless in pvp nor it's required to get anything in pvp

completly missing the point.

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

they should add bots like in every pvp deathmach game 

that is a possible solution.

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

you know which is the most hated part of crafting a weapon for pvers ? the wvw gift . but when they get it they try wvw and pvp.

which is a good thing

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

 

"motivational reward" are forcing player into a gamemode that's why they hate

And still they get added to games, what a mystery.

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

if not afk with the lesser effort possible

these are very different thing though

7 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

i disagree but not trying to change your mind. 

Youre allowed to be wrong i guess, this is basic gamedesign. The question is not whether they help, the question is about intensity and depth.

[yann.1946]

4 minutes ago, xenon.3264 said:

actually is the opposite. it's not more restrictive. 

gen1 could be crafted only if u were that lucky to drop the precursor. otherwise it was just moeny farming.

 

so gen 2 added a precursor crafting.

 

but the events related to the crafting were considered too hard so 

 

2.5 just mats

more restricive because you can not jus buy them, you actually have to mapcomple hot for hope for examplr.

[Gehenna.3625]

1 minute ago, Captain Kuro.8937 said:

The company should not waste resources on something new .

They ought to incentivize long term ROI .

And whats better , by re-suing asset's that most don't have and want

And that incentive , in the long run can offer them money 

Ironically your post describes exactly the reason why ow-sets are a good thing. It's reusing the same assets that are already there (OW content) to get legendary items. 

[Crystal Paladin.3871]

I wish anet gives an option to craft a legendary armor a generic one but not tied to any open world PvE achievements or events or npcs or wvw or pvp or raids.. provided there shd be no unique skin or collection involved and no lore involved (like the weapons we craft in mystic forge with mystic coins eg: courage) with just material sink.. so ppl who hate raids and would like to enjoy the QOL of legendary gear would get it... in the meanwhile if ppl who are willing to put that extra effort in raids to get the cool looking skin legy armor can do raids... and also ppl who already got raid armors might not feel like its a redundant waste of mat sink and bothersome legy journey to pursue just for a skin and lore reasons.(might feel incomplete if we own a legy armor already and we followed a ccollection or lore and stop it just before crafting a legy so no lore shd be involved no collection shd be involved for this generic legy armor).. its a win win for everyone... 

items to forge a legy armor piece:

1. mystic tribute
2. gift of maguuma mastery or desert mastery
3. gift of living world currencies(eg: 250 of each lws currency)
4. Ascended armor piece

Note:

anet can make adjustments based on how much mats shd be involved in each items ... like gift of maguma mastery could be an overkill or less.. they can adjust so dont get your feathers ruffled that i mentioned that item 2 in the list for an armor piece

Edited August 27, 2021 by Crystal Paladin.3871

[yann.1946]

4 minutes ago, Captain Kuro.8937 said:

The company should not waste resources on something new .

They ought to incentivize long term ROI .

And whats better , by re-suing asset's that most don't have and really want

And from that incentive , in the long run can offer them money 

"Giving" the envoy skin would just generate outrage though.

[xenon.3264]

1 minute ago, yann.1946 said:

Youre allowed to be wrong i guess, this is basic gamedesign. The question is not whether they help, the question is about intensity and depth.

basic game design which si not working for raids i guess

 

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these are very different thing though

 not this is exactly the poimt. and you keep on missing it.

 

people like the reward but to get it if they do not like the mode do the less effort possible.