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What is currently the easiest class, specialization to play open world content, where you can also make some mistakes?
Like solo bounty hunting, or soloing legendary champs or some group events?

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A reaper with minions is up there as being one of the safest and easiest to play.

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    I think it's useful to note that the builds that can solo anything aren't necessarily optimal for doing most things quickly, because those builds (especially the more forgiving ones) tend to trade some offensive power for survivability and self-sustain.

    If you want to be absolutely safe and turtle your way through almost anything, Condi Mirage is a pretty solid option. It's a very tanky spec that kites exceedingly well and does all of its damage by stacking a bunch of annoying little conditions over time.

    I think a better balance of offense and defense is actually Torment Rev (Herald or Renegade): you have very strong condition output with Mace/Axe and Mallyx, Trailblazer gear lets you eat a good deal of incoming damage that would drop Zerker builds, and Rune of Tormenting turns your condition output into pretty beefy self-sustain. I personally prefer Renegade over the Herald version because having a second condition weapons lets you stack a ton of Torment and Burning really fast, but just going full melee and abusing Infuse Light is also pretty good.

    One thing I really like about the Rev builds is they actually handle trash pretty quickly, because you can use Call to Anguish to pull a bunch of enemies together into a single pile, drop a big condition burst on them, and then you've basically done because they'll tick to death in a few seconds.

  • @ASP.8093 said:
    I think it's useful to note that the builds that can solo anything aren't necessarily optimal for doing most things quickly, because those builds (especially the more forgiving ones) tend to trade some offensive power for survivability and self-sustain.

    yes exactly, for me it is not important to do the things quickly!

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    Note also that the game makes it very quick to swap builds. E.g. I could very easily also make a Viper set for my TB Revenant and swap between them with a couple of clicks or a single keybind any time I'm out of combat.

    Likewise, with the current state of HoT/PoF maps, a viable "solo" strategy is to just do your own thing most of the time and pop a commander/mentor tag to get 3-4 people to join you when you want a particularly nasty bounty or hero point.

  • Auburner.6945Auburner.6945 Member ✭✭✭

    Dire/Trailblazer's Condition Herald w/ Corruption for that 33% dmg reduction with resistance uptime + Incovation/Retribtuion and Herald lines for perma protection and some dmg reduction traits on Herald. Mace/Axe and any other weapon set for weapon swapping.

    Mallyx and Glint for the higher damage variant, can take Jalis instead of Mallyx for Vengeful Hammers. Jalis vengeful hammers with resistance + protection and dmg reduction food is 100% dmg reduction; 0 dmg from even Mind Crush on Deimos.

    Can go Tormenting runes with a great room for mistakes but that requires playing Mallyx. Resistance runes are a snooze fest with even more room for mistakes because of abusing resistance uptime, but it's quite a damage loss.

    Other builds would be minion mancer Reaper, or full Dire/Trailblazer's Weaver.

  • Trianox.3486Trianox.3486 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 21, 2020

    Many guardian builds are really good for simple and easy PvE.
    Wooden Potatoes made a nice series for open word PvE build, and they are mostly really easy and powerful.

    But the builds I enjoy the most when going solo and willing to play relax are with thief:

    1) pistol/pistol diviner deadeye (deadeye, crit, trickery). You can chainkill like there is no tomorrow. Mark, unload, mark unload, mark unload... While it may seem boring, you can focus on positioning, and you can add depth to it through different ways with utilities and learning how to move around AS you shoot, rather than stop-shoot-stop-shoot like most people would do. Also, at some point you're efficient enough that you challenge yourself to speed through certain zones without leaving anything alive.

    2) dagger/dagger dodgy daredevil with mirage runes, or thorn, or other relevant condi-dmg oriented runes. Deadly art, trickery and daredevil make for a relatively high condi pressure build, and quite uncatchable. I can play hours long in "tougher" zones without dying. It's not as bursty as burn guardian, and DMG is definitely lower than some other condi builds out there from other class. But if you pace your death blossom and dodge adequately (avoiding to burn all your initiatives at once basically), you can remain engaged in a fight forever.
    It's slow for trash mob, but it shines on foes with high HP. It really isn't the fastest option out there at clearing out mobs.in general but definitely, as far as I'm concerned, one of the easiest build.

    As an example, if you go into PvP mode where condi damage is nerf hard for that build (lotus training and such), you can still take out the chieftain and warlord without taking in a single hit - if you know how to play it. It will be a little slower than other builds (ex burn/warlock Dragon Hunter, or other variations) but you can start without notice and chain fights endlessly without worrying for cooldowns, unlike DH or other professions.

    I also play staff daredevil, which is more effective than D/D daredevil in terms of gross DPS, or one shooting even small pack of trash mobs, but you got to be more careful with initiative management, and although easy once you get the grasp of the rotations, D/D remains just simpler/easier/more relaxed. That being said, even if D/D is "simpler" in nature, you can really learn positioning, dodging, and it can bring that build to a whole new level when you really master it. It reminds me of some warrior builds that seems brain-dead, very basic, but that you can bring to a new level if you master them well.

  • condi renegade (or herald) - can solo bounties easily. All you need to do is make sure you're hitting something that doesn't perma blind you and with kalla you can permanently proc battle scarred and maintain perma 25 might and fury. There's a build on metabattle just look it up! Unlike thief builds, you don't have to continually dodge as much and you're not as squishy if you run full dire. Unlike tank necro, you do more damage on shortbow.

  • Thanks for the answers. I can very often recognize the Revenant here.

    What would you rather recommend?
    Condi Herald or Shortbow Renegade (both open world builds on metabattle)

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @Deaken Frost.7952 said:
    Thanks for the answers. I can very often recognize the Revenant here.

    What would you rather recommend?
    Condi Herald or Shortbow Renegade (both open world builds on metabattle)

    The Metabattle Shortbow Renegade is a squishier but higher-DPS Viper build. Use Trailblazer with Tormenting runes if you want to go full lazy-mode slow-and-steady. TB Condi Herald and TB Condi Renegade have 95% identical gear.

  • Bearbow ranger is a good tanky build

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My Vote, Reaper Minion Master.. very good for solo PvE.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Easiest is going to be condi mirage. While condi rev is sweet, it's not easiest; many moving parts and nothing beats a minion/pet/clone to hold aggro.

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  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    My Vote, Reaper Minion Master.. very good for solo PvE.

    Good for farming, pretty speedy at everything, quality falls off a bit as challenges get harder, imo.

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Solo PvE builds?

    Minion Master Reaper - High damage, high sustain, easy to play.

    Bearbow Ranger - Okay damage, high sustain, easy to play.

    Condi Core Engie - Okay damage, high sustain, easy to play (Trailblazer gear. Bomb Kit, Flamethrower, Flame Turret)

    Condi Renegade - Decent damage, high sustain, easy to play (Trailblazer gear)

    Condi Herald - Meh damage, super high sustain, easy to play (Trailblazer gear)

    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    You'll be pretty tanky and deal okay damage.

    Minion Master Reaper and Bearbow Ranger basically some of the few Power builds that can solo really well especially versus Champs/Legends due to their lower reliance on personal stats (Ranger just uses their tanky Bear pets to take the hits, MM Reaper has their minions take some hits while all their minions siphon life for them)

    Most Power builds can work just fine for most OW PvE, but they'll crumple versus Champs/Legends where they'll be too squishy (Zerker/Marauder) or not have enough Damage (Soldier).

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  • Ganathar.4956Ganathar.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Solo PvE builds?

    Minion Master Reaper - High damage, high sustain, easy to play.

    Bearbow Ranger - Okay damage, high sustain, easy to play.

    Condi Core Engie - Okay damage, high sustain, easy to play (Trailblazer gear. Bomb Kit, Flamethrower, Flame Turret)

    Condi Renegade - Decent damage, high sustain, easy to play (Trailblazer gear)

    Condi Herald - Meh damage, super high sustain, easy to play (Trailblazer gear)

    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    You'll be pretty tanky and deal okay damage.

    Minion Master Reaper and Bearbow Ranger basically some of the few Power builds that can solo really well especially versus Champs/Legends due to their lower reliance on personal stats (Ranger just uses their tanky Bear pets to take the hits, MM Reaper has their minions take some hits while all their minions siphon life for them)

    Most Power builds can work just fine for most OW PvE, but they'll crumple versus Champs/Legends where they'll be too squishy (Zerker/Marauder) or not have enough Damage (Soldier).

    Pretty accurate list and it really highlights the imbalance between the condi damage and power stats. I really don't know why they refuse to balance this.

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

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  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    So the easy way for a newbie to build a sustain-monster champ-solo build is to copy a Snow Crows Viper build with zero defense and a bunch of weird group buffs that only matter to a raiding party? :grimace:

    I'm not saying it's hard. I'm saying that most condition damage in the game is localized to 1-2 specific weapons or a handful of traits, and if you don't pay attention to that you will do literally nothing, like worse than playing a random collection of trait lines with Soldier gear.

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    So the easy way for a newbie to build a sustain-monster champ-solo build is to copy a Snow Crows Viper build with zero defense and a bunch of weird group buffs that only matter to a raiding party? :grimace:

    You're trying too hard to make an argument.

    So when I said "Pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear" and then copy Skills and Traits from Snow Crows...

    That obviously means to use Viper gear and copy the skills and traits from one of their Support builds. ;)

    Snow Crows DPS Condi builds don't use "Weird group buffs" that's only on their Condi Support builds. Their DPS builds are fully focused on damage.

    @ASP.8093 said:
    I'm not saying it's hard. I'm saying that most condition damage in the game is localized to 1-2 specific weapons or a handful of traits, and if you don't pay attention to that you will do literally nothing, like worse than playing a random collection of trait lines with Soldier gear.

    Gee, it's almost like picking the obvious Condi weapon when your stats are all Condi damage makes sense...

    It really doesn't take any thought at all. You just grab Trailblazer gear that clearly has Condi damage focus, then pick your Condi damage skills. There's not enough variety to be even a little confusing here especially since unlike Power builds, there's typically just 1 Condi weapon/build for each class. The only time there might be any kind of non-intuitive design, if you pick Mesmer and think that Confusion does any sort of actual damage in PvE.

    Condi builds are literally the most straightforward builds to make as a result. Then with Trailblazer as a statline, even if you do somehow manage to mess it up, you have enough sustain to get through fights that are prolonged anyway. The only appreciable effect of optimized damage vs not in a tanky set up like full Trailblazer tank build, is the capactiy to do things like Bounties and certain Event champions which are on a timer.

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  • Daredevil or Deadeye — depends on how do you want to play. Just take invigorating precision. Daredevil is better at cleave.
    Reaper (power) — spin to win. I wouldn't recommend scourge because it's too slow.
    Mirage (condi) — you want more survivability? Take runes of tormenting. Dodge to heal yourself.
    Herald of Renegade (condi) — devastation traitline is all about passive healing (pretty strong healing). Take herald for tankiness; renegade for more damage.
    Holosmith — super easy. Just don't overheat. It hurts.

    Master of garbage builds and being useless.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2020

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    This is not good advice. No, TB armor coupled with condi on whatever class is NOT going to achieve what the OP is asking for. The 'optimized' condi builds on Snow Crows/Metabattle are not optimized for OW.

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  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    This is not good advice. No, TB armor coupled with condi on whatever class is NOT going to achieve what the OP is asking for. The 'optimized' condi builds on Snow Crows/Metabattle are not optimized for OW.

    Trailblazer gear offers the most defence while providing significant boosts to condition damage.

    Snow Crows/Metabattle (MB having an "Open World" section) pick all the condition damage things. IF for some reason, you are incapable of doing so yourself, given how straight forward condi builds are.

    This WILL work.

    See: That guy who likes to post videos of his TB Condi Weaver soloing everything. My own Condi Engie that solo's everything. Various Firebrands that solo everything. Mirages that solo everything. Condi Revenants (Both E-Specs) that solo everything.

    The only thing that I'm not 100% sure on is if Condi Thief and Condi Zerker can solo stuff particularly well. The former because there's not much support for Condi builds in the class (Though, I'm reasonably sure that there could be a Condi DD build that would function for this purpose) and the latter because that 300 toughness loss hits the tankiness pretty hard.

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  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2020

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    This is not good advice. No, TB armor coupled with condi on whatever class is NOT going to achieve what the OP is asking for. The 'optimized' condi builds on Snow Crows/Metabattle are not optimized for OW.

    Trailblazer gear offers the most defence while providing significant boosts to condition damage.

    Snow Crows/Metabattle (MB having an "Open World" section) pick all the condition damage things. IF for some reason, you are incapable of doing so yourself, given how straight forward condi builds are.

    This WILL work.

    See: That guy who likes to post videos of his TB Condi Weaver soloing everything. My own Condi Engie that solo's everything. Various Firebrands that solo everything. Mirages that solo everything. Condi Revenants (Both E-Specs) that solo everything.

    That wasn't the OP's ask or what the question is here. Lots of things work. He's asking for easiest.

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  • @Taril.8619 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    This is not good advice. No, TB armor coupled with condi on whatever class is NOT going to achieve what the OP is asking for. The 'optimized' condi builds on Snow Crows/Metabattle are not optimized for OW.

    Trailblazer gear offers the most defence while providing significant boosts to condition damage.

    Snow Crows/Metabattle (MB having an "Open World" section) pick all the condition damage things. IF for some reason, you are incapable of doing so yourself, given how straight forward condi builds are.

    This WILL work.

    See: That guy who likes to post videos of his TB Condi Weaver soloing everything. My own Condi Engie that solo's everything. Various Firebrands that solo everything. Mirages that solo everything. Condi Revenants (Both E-Specs) that solo everything.

    The only thing that I'm not 100% sure on is if Condi Thief and Condi Zerker can solo stuff particularly well. The former because there's not much support for Condi builds in the class (Though, I'm reasonably sure that there could be a Condi DD build that would function for this purpose) and the latter because that 300 toughness loss hits the tankiness pretty hard.

    That weaver guy soloing everything uses all Dire gear actually

  • gw2skills.net/editor/?PmgAUZltQMsNyjpRdsMijNSkMDigJ/l/LF-zRIURUxXKNlAtVAdGBhGC2PA-e

    This build is really strong in OW content. Good damage and sustain(with Battle Scars, which is around 15-20 stacks during combat and i can't bring it lower even when i stand in bad stuff) with an easy rotation. Staff is only there for the sigils and for 5 which is a CC, when you swap legends the sigils on the staff activates. Weapon skill 5 is a CC, 2 is not that strong, use 4 than 3 for a combo other than that just AA. Keep up F2 which is a perma x25 Might. In Kalla use Darkrazor and Icerazor, in Shiro use Impossible Odds, when you used these skills and out of energy swap legends. Rinse and repeat.

  • For bearbow use soldier or magi/cleric gear

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    For bearbow use soldier or magi/cleric gear

    … Then where does your damage come from?

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    For bearbow use soldier or magi/cleric gear

    … Then where does your damage come from?

    Let's not confuse the thread here. This build WILL have damage, just not as much as some of the other builds we are talking about.

    If we want to steer this thread in a continued good direction, I think we can assume that what the OP would be looking for is the most DPS that is easiest to play. IMO, that means a balance between DPS and surviving ... WITHOUT complicated rotations or other 'complicated' things. This is why I suggested Condi Mirage. You're literally just dodging and spamming weapon skills.

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  • @Obtena.7952 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    For bearbow use soldier or magi/cleric gear

    … Then where does your damage come from?

    Let's not confuse the thread here. This build WILL have damage, just not as much as some of the other builds we are talking about.

    If we want to steer this thread in a continued good direction, I think we can assume that what the OP would be looking for is the most DPS that is easiest to play. IMO, that means a balance between DPS and surviving ... WITHOUT complicated rotations or other 'complicated' things. This is why I suggested Condi Mirage. You're literally just dodging and spamming weapon skills.

    Bearbow is just spam rapid fire and auto

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020

    Walk it back to the fundamentals, imo:

    What makes a good Open-World build?

    • Kill stuff quickly. This directly translates into accomplishing more per unit of game time played, as well as relieving pressure on your resources. The ideal build for basic exploration and most events is one that just deletes enemies quickly (ideally, with good AOE as well).
    • Sustained DPS matters, but just having a big explosive front-loaded burst is great, too.
    • Keep yourself alive. Typical advice is that you should have some defensive capabilities, like a stun break so you don't get dogpiled just because you got hit by a single knockdown. Automated healing like Thief's Invigorating Precision is great because it's very low-effort for high return.
    • Contribute to boss breakbars with CC. This short-circuits some nasty mechanics and helps everyone burst even harder.

    What makes a good "Solo Everything!" build?

    • Kill stuff sufficiently quickly. You're not necessary trying to set any records, but champs and bounties will have timers and you can't really call your build a solo build if you can't beat the timer. Ideally, you should still be able to clean up trash mobs quickly, but it's okay if you have to (e.g.) circle up a bunch of them first instead of just blitzing them like some zerker build would.
    • Your burst potential doesn't usually matter. Taking fifteen seconds to "warm up" before you're at full power (with condition ticks or incremental Might-stacking, e.g.) hardly matters if you're chasing a lot of content that'll take 2-5 minutes to beat.
    • Very high self-sustain through a combination of passive defense, active defense, and healing. Unless you've already done all this content ages ago and you're just repeating it for the billionth time (which is how people, e.g., do incredible solo speedruns of Fractals), you will be taking a bunch of damage as a result of being focused by hard-hitting enemies with unfamiliar attack patterns. You want to both take a few hits without dying and to recovery quickly so you can soak the next mistake. Clones and pets may also count as defense if they take aggro or body-block a bit.
    • Breakbar management really varies. Sometimes, you'll need to absolutely shred a huge bar. Other times, doing it solo will mostly be a lost cause and you're just ignoring the mechanic. I'd say learn your build's CC options very carefully, but don't sacrifice other aspects (especially sustain/defense) for better CC output. Consumable CC is your friend.

    Note that an optimal HoT-boss/bounty/&c. soloing build is very powerful and very forgiving as well, but it's not actually easier to play than a regular open-world build for most content. Because melting enemies quickly is just as safe as tanking them for a while in most contexts; it's only when there is no "quickly" that sustain starts to matter a lot.

  • Buran.3796Buran.3796 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Condi Herald with Dire or Trailblazer stats and tormenting runes can trample almost everything; not the highest dps but has the highest durability.

    http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?PmxAke7lhQKsIyiJRXMICjBSiMBqgj7SdrD-zRJYkRLfZ0RBESK49BJI6tsonG-e

    Power Herald can melt any HoT/PoF hero point thanx to the insane tolls to break defiance bars and survive very well in open world but is not as durable soloing bounties or fractal bosses. Is also harder to play than condi Herald.

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PmxAwyZlxQKMPyi1RXMOCjRSiMCqgpsVezE-zRIYR09fKtpAyUE0pQoCJgGPJhRvGK8aB-e

    Burn Firebrand has bigger dps and can reach 2k condition damage while having 3.2k armor and over 22K HP, but is slow moving and his sustain got a hit after the latest patches. Still, very powerfull and easy to use:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWABc6t3lRwAZVsP2IWyWevKA-zVZYXB9xFNcgsRMUKJUANmAZGBdGCOcSCi9wbZRPN-w

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    @mizaru.1385 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Honestly, just pick a class, give them Trailblazer gear and you're golden ;)

    I mean, no, because you need to carefully pick out skills/traits that layer enough conditions to make it actually worthwhile.

    If by "Carefully pick out skills/traits" you mean, pick the obvious Condi build that each class has then yes.

    If you mean that this is in some way difficult... Then no. It is not. Especially since if you struggle for some reason, you can just visit Snow Crows/Metabattle and pick out one of the already optimized Condi builds that has skills and traits all nicely listed for you to copy....

    This is not good advice. No, TB armor coupled with condi on whatever class is NOT going to achieve what the OP is asking for. The 'optimized' condi builds on Snow Crows/Metabattle are not optimized for OW.

    Trailblazer gear offers the most defence while providing significant boosts to condition damage.

    Snow Crows/Metabattle (MB having an "Open World" section) pick all the condition damage things. IF for some reason, you are incapable of doing so yourself, given how straight forward condi builds are.

    This WILL work.

    See: That guy who likes to post videos of his TB Condi Weaver soloing everything. My own Condi Engie that solo's everything. Various Firebrands that solo everything. Mirages that solo everything. Condi Revenants (Both E-Specs) that solo everything.

    The only thing that I'm not 100% sure on is if Condi Thief and Condi Zerker can solo stuff particularly well. The former because there's not much support for Condi builds in the class (Though, I'm reasonably sure that there could be a Condi DD build that would function for this purpose) and the latter because that 300 toughness loss hits the tankiness pretty hard.

    That weaver guy soloing everything uses all Dire gear actually

    I think I'm the weaver guy? LoL Just wanted to point out I use Dire because I focus on burning (75-90% damage from burning) and use balthazar runes. This means I don't need the expertise trailblazer provides. Otherwise I would use trailblazer.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2020

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @ASP.8093 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    For bearbow use soldier or magi/cleric gear

    … Then where does your damage come from?

    Let's not confuse the thread here. This build WILL have damage, just not as much as some of the other builds we are talking about.

    If we want to steer this thread in a continued good direction, I think we can assume that what the OP would be looking for is the most DPS that is easiest to play. IMO, that means a balance between DPS and surviving ... WITHOUT complicated rotations or other 'complicated' things. This is why I suggested Condi Mirage. You're literally just dodging and spamming weapon skills.

    I'll second this. Cmirage with staff/x is the most effortless survival build you can play. You can literally ignore all of your skills, slot all signets, or just push buttons at random. You can even stand in fire! As long as you keep pushing dodge and auto-attack you will be very difficult to kill. Don't believe it? Here's video proof!

    Also, thought I would add that you don't have to play this build like a potato, standing in fire with all signets and no weapon swap. That was just to demonstrate that it's so easy you almost can't lose with it! But you can also play it stronger and smarter by pairing staff with a better damage weapon. Scepter and axe are both good choices, depending on how you want to play it. Here's a sample of what axe and staff can do for Cmirage:

  • @ASP.8093 said:
    I think it's useful to note that the builds that can solo anything aren't necessarily optimal for doing most things quickly, because those builds (especially the more forgiving ones) tend to trade some offensive power for survivability and self-sustain.

    If you want to be absolutely safe and turtle your way through almost anything, Condi Mirage is a pretty solid option. It's a very tanky spec that kites exceedingly well and does all of its damage by stacking a bunch of annoying little conditions over time.

    I think a better balance of offense and defense is actually Torment Rev (Herald or Renegade): you have very strong condition output with Mace/Axe and Mallyx, Trailblazer gear lets you eat a good deal of incoming damage that would drop Zerker builds, and Rune of Tormenting turns your condition output into pretty beefy self-sustain. I personally prefer Renegade over the Herald version because having a second condition weapons lets you stack a ton of Torment and Burning really fast, but just going full melee and abusing Infuse Light is also pretty good.

    One thing I really like about the Rev builds is they actually handle trash pretty quickly, because you can use Call to Anguish to pull a bunch of enemies together into a single pile, drop a big condition burst on them, and then you've basically done because they'll tick to death in a few seconds.

    How does it compare with power dragon hunter when farming in places like Dragonfall and Drizzlewood? Does condi renegade hit fast and hard enough to actually get decent loots from mobs?

  • forevergamer.7653forevergamer.7653 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2020

    @Deaken Frost.7952 said:
    What is currently the easiest class, specialization to play open world content, where you can also make some mistakes?
    Like solo bounty hunting, or soloing legendary champs or some group events?

    In my opinion Ranger have a pet that can tank and revive you the da best hehe xD. By the way not everything is soloable, there are champs that are easier and others extremely hard to solo specially legendary, good gear like ascend and legendary helps but is not everything it all depends on traits, skills, build etc etc and most important player skill.

    ''Hey Moxxi you should be bright orange because this body... is LEGENDARY!!'' - Borderlands 2 Drunk.

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @tinyasian.8941 said:
    How does it compare with power dragon hunter when farming in places like Dragonfall and Drizzlewood? Does condi renegade hit fast and hard enough to actually get decent loots from mobs?

    If you run Viper's, yeah: your power damage is quite decent, you've got a lot of AOE on both Shortbow and Mace/Axe, the Renegade minor traits are great with hybrid gear because you get +33% crit chance to compensate for the mediocre Precision, and some of your DPS is burning, which ticks really fast.

    And then you can switch to Trailblazer to solo bosses or whatever, if you want.

    (Note also that maps like Dragonfall and Drizzlewood are primary event loot dispensed via chests. So your ability to tag in absolute terms probably isn't the most important thing here.)

  • @ASP.8093 said:

    @tinyasian.8941 said:
    How does it compare with power dragon hunter when farming in places like Dragonfall and Drizzlewood? Does condi renegade hit fast and hard enough to actually get decent loots from mobs?

    If you run Viper's, yeah: your power damage is quite decent, you've got a lot of AOE on both Shortbow and Mace/Axe, the Renegade minor traits are great with hybrid gear because you get +33% crit chance to compensate for the mediocre Precision, and some of your DPS is burning, which ticks really fast.

    And then you can switch to Trailblazer to solo bosses or whatever, if you want.

    (Note also that maps like Dragonfall and Drizzlewood are primary event loot dispensed via chests. So your ability to tag in absolute terms probably isn't the most important thing here.)

    Is this your main?

    Do you have the build can share?

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2020

    @tinyasian.8941 said:
    Is this your main?

    Do you have the build can share?

    This is a good example of a high-DPS version for group play or aggressively soloing stuff: https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Renegade_-_Condi_DPS

    Here's an alternative Viper build with Rune of Tormenting and Battle Scars for a lot of passive healing (otherwise plays mostly like the one above): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PmwAUlflhQLsIKjJRaMIajBSjMBygjul9TF-zRJYmRNfhEXIkbC0RF49sw70G-e

    Here's the Trailblazer version I like for hard solo stuff, derived from a very similar WvW build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PmwAUlflhQHsIyhJRPMIqhBSfMBKgju06TF-zRRYchWRG1E1FSOJQuVQvhg3zyieaA-e
    (You can add more sustain by trading the Dire pieces for Plaguedoctor's or by going 2-2-2 in Corruption. I haven't really needed it for the HoT bosses, though.)

    I mostly main Deadeye (just a normal squishy rifle build, to kill stuff fast from range) or Firebrand (to play healer in Fractals).

  • jpsssss.7530jpsssss.7530 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2020

    Blood Reaper can solo some champs with Axe+Focus/GS. Run a power build.

  • @ASP.8093 said:

    @tinyasian.8941 said:
    Is this your main?

    Do you have the build can share?

    This is a good example of a high-DPS version for group play or aggressively soloing stuff: https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Renegade_-_Condi_DPS

    Here's an alternative Viper build with Rune of Tormenting and Battle Scars for a lot of passive healing (otherwise plays mostly like the one above): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PmwAUlflhQLsIKjJRaMIajBSjMBygjul9TF-zRJYmRNfhEXIkbC0RF49sw70G-e

    Here's the Trailblazer version I like for hard solo stuff, derived from a very similar WvW build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PmwAUlflhQHsIyhJRPMIqhBSfMBKgju06TF-zRRYchWRG1E1FSOJQuVQvhg3zyieaA-e
    (You can add more sustain by trading the Dire pieces for Plaguedoctor's or by going 2-2-2 in Corruption. I haven't really needed it for the HoT bosses, though.)

    I mostly main Deadeye (just a normal squishy rifle build, to kill stuff fast from range) or Firebrand (to play healer in Fractals).

    Thanks!

    I tested the build yesterday and I personally prefer DH better, it seems like DH actually kills all the mobs much faster. Maybe I’m no longer into condi build that’s why.

    Looks like my revenant will be used solely for WvW only.