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Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?
Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!
So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

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  • I feel your pain, I have been lucky enough to end up in 2 guilds doing raid and fractal training and luckily I get a spot by signing up in time. As a new player you have to face the toxicity and elitism of other players who have had their training in PvE already, it's not a welcoming experience, especially in pugs as you always get toxic players complaining about your performances. Life is tough for new players nowadays and ArenaNet should step up to fix this issue before it goes out of control. I would be glad to share my knowledge in PvE with new players without being judgemental. This is the way!

  • dani.5680dani.5680 Member ✭✭

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    I feel your pain, I have been lucky enough to end up in 2 guilds doing raid and fractal training and luckily I get a spot by signing up in time. As a new player you have to face the toxicity and elitism of other players who have had their training in PvE already, it's not a welcoming experience, especially in pugs as you always get toxic players complaining about your performances. Life is tough for new players nowadays and ArenaNet should step up to fix this issue before it goes out of control. I would be glad to share my knowledge in PvE with new players without being judgemental. This is the way!

    I'm a tryhard and made plat2 then drop gold2 to farm gear but i think thats the max i can get from pvp! I reach t4 fractals! In 3 weeks all! But in raids its almost impossible even tho when i pug w1 and some random bosses i top the dps chart with exotics! Other dont even look at me with my 5 LI but they ask 250LI+!
    I will give up as i peaked all the game things and raids are unreachable!
    Its hard to find guild that take you serious with 2000 ap! Sorry but thats the truth in this game! There is no help for newcomers and i think new players should stay away from this game and let the elite play with elite and die in elite fashion!

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

    I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

    When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

    If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

    So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

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  • dani.5680dani.5680 Member ✭✭

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

    I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

    When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

    If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

    So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

    I run arcdps myself and i can say i top dps in all raid bosses i've made or 2nd place! So those 250 LI dont mean anything! Internet is full of mechanics and how do you run bosses in 4-5 lines to read! I feel like this stupid things should not be able to be linked! Its not a player ability to play a game! And we all saw that some bosses can be made 6-man so 4 leeched in that case? So there is a surplus of LI out there in the world as some player leeched their way thru it!

  • Arcaniaxs.4519Arcaniaxs.4519 Member ✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?
    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!
    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    Your numbers arent right mate. You can make an ascended armor set within a week (even faster)
    Also... some raid encounters like vale guardian, bandit trio,escort, keep construct, twisted castle, cairn, mo, samarog, ca are fairly easy and all new raiders can learn and do it very easily. That is 9 easy LI per week (assuming u dont do other bosses that are also easy but need more focus on mechs). 250 LI can be earned in 28 weeks assumung u earn atleast these 9 li per week... a year is...52 weeks? Lol anyways u also get better each as weeks pass and even with more trainings ( guild runs/ your own runs/ random lfg trains) you can do more and more bosses and get more LI per week which lets u reach 250 li faster. Also if u think u are a good enough player u can join 150-250 li groups and ask them if they give u a chance! Most people in raids are nice as long as u do ur role properly! (Ppl dont like to carry u)
    I started like 7 months ago and im now at 550 li +... it wasnt easy as i didnt had any guilds to help me out. But i went to the training area and learned my class as a dps role. Then joined groups each week and got my first LIs as weeks passed until after 3 months i had 250 li.( always pugs )
    The thing is u shouldnt take what everyone says seriously and move on and dont give up if u really wanna raid easily. Just keep on getting better and one day you will earn ur 250th li

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

    I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

    When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

    If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

    So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

    I run arcdps myself and i can say i top dps in all raid bosses i've made or 2nd place! So those 250 LI dont mean anything! Internet is full of mechanics and how do you run bosses in 4-5 lines to read! I feel like this stupid things should not be able to be linked! Its not a player ability to play a game! And we all saw that some bosses can be made 6-man so 4 leeched in that case? So there is a surplus of LI out there in the world as some player leeched their way thru it!

    There is a wide range or skill levels in this game and players learn at different rates. You're also neglected that those low-man runs are by very experienced players and it's not something you would see in a pug nor something to be expected. You also need to be aware that just because a raid has been done with X number of players, this doesn't mean that the remaining leached. Dungeons can be done solo so does this mean that four players leached?

  • dani.5680dani.5680 Member ✭✭

    @Arcaniaxs.4519 said:

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?
    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!
    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    Your numbers arent right mate. You can make an ascended armor set within a week (even faster)
    Also... some raid encounters like vale guardian, bandit trio,escort, keep construct, twisted castle, cairn, mo, samarog, ca are fairly easy and all new raiders can learn and do it very easily. That is 9 easy LI per week (assuming u dont do other bosses that are also easy but need more focus on mechs). 250 LI can be earned in 28 weeks assumung u earn atleast these 9 li per week... a year is...52 weeks? Lol anyways u also get better each as weeks pass and even with more trainings ( guild runs/ your own runs/ random lfg trains) you can do more and more bosses and get more LI per week which lets u reach 250 li faster. Also if u think u are a good enough player u can join 150-250 li groups and ask them if they give u a chance! Most people in raids are nice as long as u do ur role properly! (Ppl dont like to carry u)
    I started like 7 months ago and im now at 550 li +... it wasnt easy as i didnt had any guilds to help me out. But i went to the training area and learned my class as a dps role. Then joined groups each week and got my first LIs as weeks passed until after 3 months i had 250 li.( always pugs )
    The thing is u shouldnt take what everyone says seriously and move on and dont give up if u really wanna raid easily. Just keep on getting better and one day you will earn ur 250th li

    How can you make full ascended in 1 week? please share it!

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:

    @Arcaniaxs.4519 said:

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?
    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!
    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    Your numbers arent right mate. You can make an ascended armor set within a week (even faster)
    Also... some raid encounters like vale guardian, bandit trio,escort, keep construct, twisted castle, cairn, mo, samarog, ca are fairly easy and all new raiders can learn and do it very easily. That is 9 easy LI per week (assuming u dont do other bosses that are also easy but need more focus on mechs). 250 LI can be earned in 28 weeks assumung u earn atleast these 9 li per week... a year is...52 weeks? Lol anyways u also get better each as weeks pass and even with more trainings ( guild runs/ your own runs/ random lfg trains) you can do more and more bosses and get more LI per week which lets u reach 250 li faster. Also if u think u are a good enough player u can join 150-250 li groups and ask them if they give u a chance! Most people in raids are nice as long as u do ur role properly! (Ppl dont like to carry u)
    I started like 7 months ago and im now at 550 li +... it wasnt easy as i didnt had any guilds to help me out. But i went to the training area and learned my class as a dps role. Then joined groups each week and got my first LIs as weeks passed until after 3 months i had 250 li.( always pugs )
    The thing is u shouldnt take what everyone says seriously and move on and dont give up if u really wanna raid easily. Just keep on getting better and one day you will earn ur 250th li

    How can you make full ascended in 1 week? please share it!

    You buy the time gated materials.

  • Styros.8931Styros.8931 Member ✭✭✭

    I have better question , what is the point of going in raid if you already got ascended gear? Achiv and skins?

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?
    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!
    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    if they ask for 150LI its not a training run so its whole point of not accepting people with no/ lower LI. it takes 6 week to get them not 1 year.
    guilds are not adapted for training, if your EU i'd personally recommand discord communities suck as crossroad inn or RTI. they provide trainin 3 to 7 day a week depending on commanders available.

  • DzT.8127DzT.8127 Member ✭✭

    It’s very rare that raids drop ascended gear, they mostly drop weapons and after that rings/accessories, and those are not even guaranteed.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    Join a guild which does regular raids and raid trainings. Most guilds that advtertise in map chat usually also put which content they run and many also run raids.

    Impress with your ability and performance and believe me, any guild team would be very happy about well performing new players joining. It makes training and runs so much easier.

    Or if you don't want to be bothered with LI or joining a guild, make your own and train up your own squad. You can then decide to not use LI or KP or any gating if you so desire.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

    If that was just about clearing something 2 mins faster, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's not dungeons, where it really worked like that. In Raids it's often more of a question of whether you clear at all.

    So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke.

    And you probably should have treated it seriously and tried to find what you did wrong. Not dying, and the group oneshotting the boss does not mean you, personally, contributed to this. It's quite possible that the other 9 players lowmanned the run and just pulled you along, and just got tired of doing it. Pugs generally don't want to upset a working group (it's too much of a bother trying to fill the slot back), so if you did get kicked, usually this means something must have been really wrong there.

    I have been on both sides of that equation, so i can tell you that quite often when you are inexperienced, but in a good group, you don't even see that you're doing badly and it's others that pull all the weight. On the other hand, once you get that experience, you will start noticing many errors you (and others) make that you were not even aware of before.

    It's easy to say you got kicked out for no reason, but usually it's not what really happens.

    Yes, that unfortunately does mean that Raids are not suitable for a vast majority of the game's population. Ironically (for probably the most casual MMORPG on the market) to an even greater degree than in other MMORPGs, due to you not being able to outgear the content eventually. That's however due to the content itself, not due to the people that run it.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • SunTzu.4513SunTzu.4513 Member ✭✭✭

    Just start your own LFG. Invite erveryone who request to come in and you will see why most pugs who are in for a clear run will have some requirements on it. I've done noob/everything goes raids and strikes without any requirements for two months. The first two weeks it was fun in some meme way. But the amount of ''i wanna play what i think is fun to me'' people let me give up this idea really soon. If you got your 3 bearbow Rangers, the only use GS 1 skill Mesmer, minion carrion Reaper and your friendly wanderers Dragon Hunter your patience will melt away pretty fast.

    Or you can join a learning guild/community. Most of the raidoriented guilds i know do training/fun raids for new players or people who want to try out some raiding stuff. Most of those guilds will welcome anyone who wants to raid regular and show the will to learn and perform better with open arms because due to the lack of new challenging raids the raid community is decreasing more and more.

    Caelden - Necromancer - https://fraktion13.com/ - Non TS Community - Abaddons Maw - EU/DE -

  • Welcome to the training guild, where you get exp, explanations, li etc. There is RTI, for example, google them and join.

  • Cynz.9437Cynz.9437 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    Look for a guild that does training raids. I am in one as well, the guild master organizes beginner runs every monday. You don't need 1 year to get 150 LI. Even if you just run first 4 wings (which are easy for most part) it is 15 LI per week => so 2.5 months for 150 LI. If you run 5-7 on top of it, you get it even faster. Also, for newer wings people don't ask for LI but rather KPs, you can get those also in relative shot time.

    I am not fan of LI requirements and elitism, on the other hand i know the pain of running raids with people that don't have proper builds, don't know mechanics etc. if you only have couple hours on monday to finish 4 wings you don't want to spend 1 hour on just 1 boss. I personaly find requirements for fractal CMs way worse and more gated than LIs actually.

    edit: also, if i may add, i would suggest you to roll the classes that are always wanted in raids and hard to find (probably due to gear/experience restrictions) aka druid/mesmers. No matter meta those 2 were always wanted and get a spot despite not having enough LI.

    Meh~

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid!

    this is ok.

    All require 150+ LI

    this is minimal require .. For most case you aslo req kp from each boss

    and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training!

    yes, this is ok. 3 months only ? I farm it 2.5-3 years. Not joke. Now it realy do more easy.

    Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What te hell is going on?

    I play from start, still nto have 150 li Currently 138. You want 150 per one week ??

    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!

    yes, good choose. You can make you own training giuld if someone interested do that not in weekends.

    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    most of players more that one ofc. This is mmo game.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    and mian thing - raid here is not main content. Many layers play from start and have 0 li.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • dani.5680dani.5680 Member ✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid!

    this is ok.

    All require 150+ LI

    this is minimal require .. For most case you aslo req kp from each boss

    and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training!

    yes, this is ok. 3 months only ? I farm it 2.5-3 years. Not joke. Now it realy do more easy.

    Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What te hell is going on?

    I play from start, still nto have 150 li Currently 138. You want 150 per one week ??

    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!

    yes, good choose. You can make you own training giuld if someone interested do that not in weekends.

    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    most of players more that one ofc. This is mmo game.

    Tell this to the guy that said 150 LI in 7 weeks :D PLEASE!
    I doubt these players know you start with 0 Ap and a PTV 80 exotic gear only!

  • My 2 cents,

    • Join multiple guilds with the same concept as yourself.
    • Make your own raid teams with close friends having the same concept as yourself.
    • In PUG, familiar with new wings by using Druid exotic gear will be fine. Seldom those hardcore care about healer's DPS.

    Raid is a content which participated by 10 players, hence you don't expect to raid on daily like Fractals T4 or expect to form a party easily.
    For those hardcore players which require KP, ignore them.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:
    Tell this to the guy that said 150 LI in 7 weeks :D PLEASE!

    150LI is ok for 5-7 years also. Aslo 0 is ok too. Raid is not main content.

    I doubt these players know you start with 0 Ap and a PTV 80 exotic gear only!

    Start what ? GW2 is not only raids.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Schimmi.6872Schimmi.6872 Member ✭✭✭

    Do you really need full ascended for training? At least the training-groups/-communities I know are okay, if only weapons and trinkets are asc or don't care at all, as long as the performance isn't bad.
    As there is no gear-check in this game, guess even most LI-/KP-groups won't see the difference as long as your performance isn't too far behind other group-members.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @dani.5680 said:

    @lare.5129 said:

    @dani.5680 said:
    Impossible for new players to get in a new raid!

    this is ok.

    All require 150+ LI

    this is minimal require .. For most case you aslo req kp from each boss

    and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training!

    yes, this is ok. 3 months only ? I farm it 2.5-3 years. Not joke. Now it realy do more easy.

    Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What te hell is going on?

    I play from start, still nto have 150 li Currently 138. You want 150 per one week ??

    Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!

    yes, good choose. You can make you own training giuld if someone interested do that not in weekends.

    So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

    most of players more that one ofc. This is mmo game.

    Tell this to the guy that said 150 LI in 7 weeks :D PLEASE!
    I doubt these players know you start with 0 Ap and a PTV 80 exotic gear only!

    I am unsure what the argument here is?

    AP don't matter when LI and/or KP are demanded.

    Fresh level 80 boosted toons have PVT gear yes, but then again why would access for a fresh boosted toon, which a player likely has no experience on, be significant for the supposedly most challenging pve group content? I'd assume at least a very tiny amount of preparation and getting to know your character should be expected, especially given that some of the pve endgame stat combinations (berserker for power is dirt cheap, viper is not that far behind) are not that hard to come by.

    Changing gear from fresh boosting a character is actually a good step to show which players have at least spent some time in trying to get ready for challenging content.

    @Schimmi.6872 said:
    Do you really need full ascended for training? At least the training-groups/-communities I know are okay, if only weapons and trinkets are asc or don't care at all, as long as the performance isn't bad.
    As there is no gear-check in this game, guess even most LI-/KP-groups won't see the difference as long as your performance isn't too far behind other group-members.

    It usually isn't and would be a red flag for any one wanting to join such a training because it screams inexperienced raid lead.

    Exotic is fine for most trainings and having players with ascended weapons and trinkets is just a nice bonus. Trinkets especially are useful since their acquisition is rather easy via living world episodes and the stats available on them are free select-able.

  • SunTzu.4513SunTzu.4513 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020

    Do you really need full ascended for training? At least the training-groups/-communities I know are okay, if only weapons and trinkets are asc or don't care at all, as long as the performance isn't bad.

    The most english speaking EU raid learn guilds/coms will accept players with complete exo gear as long as they play a group and raiding oriented build. Imo ascendet gear does not matter if one starts out raiding. You need to know your basic role and rotation, get used to the mechaniks and learn to adept if something goes south. That's imo the biggest struggle for people wich are new to gw2 raids. Fractals are nice but they rarely translate well into raiding. Also a lot of people even don't run T4 and cm on a regulary base so getting into raids can be a huge step up gameplay wise.

    Some people play this game for years have tons of ap and a load of leggys but don't know what this ominous blue bar on harder mobs/bosses is or how to break it...

    If you are finde with the mechaniks and want to get deeper into raiding you can start to perfect you rotation on a golem and get your ascendet gear.

    Caelden - Necromancer - https://fraktion13.com/ - Non TS Community - Abaddons Maw - EU/DE -

  • WindBlade.8749WindBlade.8749 Member ✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    I started raids a few months ago, i'm now at 500li, how do you think i get them ? i joined training then a guild that do raids on a weekly basis.
    Raids are not that hard to get into, there is ton of training guilds, and guild that recruit newbie, also exotic are fine, training recommand ascended but as long you have correct build in exotic it's enough, and if you take 3 months to do a ascended set something is wrong, a tips is to only do weapons and buy trinket from lsw3/4/5 maps since ascended armor stats increase is really low compared to weapons and trinkets.

  • @dani.5680 said:

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

    I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

    When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

    If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

    So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

    I run arcdps myself and i can say i top dps in all raid bosses i've made or 2nd place! So those 250 LI dont mean anything! Internet is full of mechanics and how do you run bosses in 4-5 lines to read! I feel like this stupid things should not be able to be linked! Its not a player ability to play a game! And we all saw that some bosses can be made 6-man so 4 leeched in that case? So there is a surplus of LI out there in the world as some player leeched their way thru it!

    The best dps in low kp group by the way mean nothing, since no one know how to do dps properly, the top dps player (except if there is veteran to help) is often the classes that relly the less on allies to get dps and that have a low learning/mastering curse for the dps, like the reaper, dh, soulbeast which do ton of damage even without any skillcap, everything change when you're in an experienced group.
    By the way in some good exp group people are good enough to reach a point where they are limited by their class and the type of encounter they do.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    As for me raid should not give pass is not have some values achiv
    for example 5k - win 1 open
    10k - wing 2 also open also
    .....
    sad that any who realy want can start raid per one week after account creation.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • @lare.5129 said:
    As for me raid should not give pass is not have some values achiv
    for example 5k - win 1 open
    10k - wing 2 also open also
    .....
    sad that any who realy want can start raid per one week after account creation.

    Yes sadly you don't need to do pointless open world content to do raids. Anet please do something.

  • @lare.5129 said:
    As for me raid should not give pass is not have some values achiv
    for example 5k - win 1 open
    10k - wing 2 also open also
    .....
    sad that any who realy want can start raid per one week after account creation.

    lol, ap means nothing^^

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    @PoneyLibre.6415 said:
    Yes sadly you don't need to do pointless open world content to do raids. Anet please do something.

    Great idea
    also not only OW, this should inlude jp, event, collections, kill 1000 orges, kill 1000 orges wiht focus and shield, defend 500 keeps on wvw, support 2000 dolyaks ..
    because now people not understand that fun thay skip if go first week in raid, and after competed raids, think that all content completed. ..

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • The funny part is that many players complain about the killproofing, but once they have acquired the killproof and are looking for easy clears for their weekly rewards, they likely become part of the problem unless their advertising "no KP chill runs" and they don't get toxic when some players who have never seen the boss join the squad. Yes, people with KP could still suck, but asking for KP is perfectly reasonable if a squad leader is looking for people who have cleared the raid to the end multiple times, to ensure they don't need to explain mechanics to anyone, and to increase the chances of a successful clear. On average, someone with KP will be more comfortable with mechanics than someone without KP, and that hasn't done raids.

    If you want to do raids and you don't have the killproof, you need to start where most other raiders started: in training groups, guild groups, or joining semi-exp groups after watching videos and reading about the raid mechanics to ensure that you don't look like you've never seen the fight before. If you're essentially able to join clears with KP reqs without having any KP, you're probably going to be carried by the other members of your party and not learn any mechanics.

  • WindBlade.8749WindBlade.8749 Member ✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:
    As for me raid should not give pass is not have some values achiv
    for example 5k - win 1 open
    10k - wing 2 also open also
    .....
    sad that any who realy want can start raid per one week after account creation.

    I have completed the story, do every raid every week, CM+ t4 every day, have multiple legendary, but don't even have 10k (i don't do daily).
    That why AP suck and mean nothing.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @WindBlade.8749 said:
    I have completed the story, do every raid every week, CM+ t4 every day, have multiple legendary, but don't even have 10k (i don't do daily).

    not I choose how to spread content. This is only my idea.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2020

    If you are EU, you can raid with us.

    Im part of many raid guilds and i can name handful of guilds easily that lets you raid multiple times/week with exotic gear.

    I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    As for me raid should not give pass is not have some values achiv
    for example 5k - win 1 open
    10k - wing 2 also open also
    .....
    sad that any who realy want can start raid per one week after account creation.

    AP is farming skill not gameplay skills. worth nothing if you want to do high end content

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020

    @Fangoth.4503 said:
    AP is farming skill not gameplay skills. worth nothing if you want to do high end content

    everyone of us understand high end content himself. Open achievements for myself more high end content that do same 8 wings each week. And I more value player who have all legendary weapons than 3 legendary raid sets .. For many gw2 player be top 250 is more high end content that others, for another play on wvw is do high end content.
    This game not all about raids, raid here is not high end for many people .. this is only part of big game.
    And if new player impossible do raid in first year - this is ok for me (ofc we all know that it possible if person realy want that, so if person realy want - check videos how it do, make great rotation with properly class on golem, have few types of classes, becasue on each boss needed different setup for pro runners and etc)

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • @lare.5129 said:

    @Fangoth.4503 said:
    AP is farming skill not gameplay skills. worth nothing if you want to do high end content

    everyone of us understand high end content himself. Open achievements for myself more high end content that do same 8 wings each week. And I more value player who have all legendary weapons than 3 legendary raid sets .. For many gw2 player be top 250 is more high end content that others, for another play on wvw is do high end content.
    This game not all about raids, raid here is not high end for many people .. this is only part of big game.
    And if new player impossible do raid in first year - this is ok for me (ofc we all know that it possible if person realy want that, so if person realy want - check videos how it do, make great rotation with properly class on golem, have few types of classes, becasue on each boss needed different setup for pro runners and etc)

    And nobody here said raid was the only high end content (fashion wars 2 :p ).

    It just don't make any sense to block this content behind AP...
    But YOU can use it for your lfg ^^

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    WvW : [MIMs] Mobile Ingénieuse Et Marteau

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
    And nobody here said raid was the only high end content (fashion wars 2 :p ).

    yes, nobody said. Except person who create that topic.

    It just don't make any sense to block this content behind AP...

    I sad that we not have this block. I want to eliminate player from raid to give them chance try a lot of other content .. Becuse some people do raid, close wings, and think for unknow reason that they complete that game.

    But YOU can use it for your lfg ^^

    I use KP, not Legendary Insight

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Carcharoth Lucian.1378Carcharoth Lucian.1378 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
    And nobody here said raid was the only high end content (fashion wars 2 :p ).

    yes, nobody said. Except person who create that topic.

    No, he only talked about LI and "gear" barrier. He never said raid was the only high end content.

    It just don't make any sense to block this content behind AP...

    I sad that we not have this block. I want to eliminate player from raid to give them chance try a lot of other content .. Becuse some people do raid, close wings, and think for unknow reason that they complete that game.

    People find fun where they want. If this is only in raids, that's fine, if this is in open world, that's fine either. No need to add barrier.

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020

    just watch guild recruiters that ads raid training. most pve focused guilds do this.
    u can farm ascended from pve, just in 30 days or less. try make 10~30 gold day.

    the real raid barrier is spare time, if u dont have time to farm gold, probably will not have time to training, must have 2hrs spare per day.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think OPs problems are more fundamental than barriers to raid entry. More so than most, GW2's endgame is a bit of a slow burn - because it's so easy to cap out on level/gear/mastery, the long-term goals are either player-generated or achievement hunting. OP does not seem like the kind of player who appreciates as slow of a burn as the one GW2 offers.

    TLDR; you're probably going to quit soon anyways, why bother with raiding?

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
    No, he only talked about LI and "gear" barrier.

    so in that way you not properly understand part mind in words.

    People find fun where they want.

    in current version - yes.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:
    I think OPs problems are more fundamental than barriers to raid entry. More so than most, GW2's endgame is a bit of a slow burn - because it's so easy to cap out on level/gear/mastery, the long-term goals are either player-generated or achievement hunting. OP does not seem like the kind of player who appreciates as slow of a burn as the one GW2 offers.

    TLDR; you're probably going to quit soon anyways, why bother with raiding?

    oh, great words ! I am try say myself that previous. Great words accumulation!

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • WindBlade.8749WindBlade.8749 Member ✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
    And nobody here said raid was the only high end content (fashion wars 2 :p ).

    yes, nobody said. Except person who create that topic.

    It just don't make any sense to block this content behind AP...

    I sad that we not have this block. I want to eliminate player from raid to give them chance try a lot of other content .. Becuse some people do raid, close wings, and think for unknow reason that they complete that game.

    But YOU can use it for your lfg ^^

    I use KP, not Legendary Insight

    Skillwise in pve, there is not other content that oppose raid, so yea a player "completed" the game if his goal was to complete the hardest pve challenge, if he want more challenge, i guess spvp is a good start.
    And yes AP don't worth anything, farming ap is not realy skills and don't ask for knowledge of the game or understanding of your class.
    The hardest legendary to get are the Spvp, WvW and Raid one anyway because it's ask for the same component as the openworld but also ask for skill play in their gamemode.

    BTw there is not a lot of HL contents, there is raid, sPVP, wvw, fractals, and maybe strike (i don't know it'sb ordeline fullfil the HL definition)

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Fangoth.4503 said:
    AP is farming skill not gameplay skills. worth nothing if you want to do high end content

    everyone of us understand high end content himself. Open achievements for myself more high end content that do same 8 wings each week. And I more value player who have all legendary weapons than 3 legendary raid sets .. For many gw2 player be top 250 is more high end content that others, for another play on wvw is do high end content.
    This game not all about raids, raid here is not high end for many people .. this is only part of big game.
    And if new player impossible do raid in first year - this is ok for me (ofc we all know that it possible if person realy want that, so if person realy want - check videos how it do, make great rotation with properly class on golem, have few types of classes, becasue on each boss needed different setup for pro runners and etc)

    Of course its not ok for player to be unable to play raid the first year, it takes like 1-2h on golem to get a level descent enough to compete with pugs. if you tell people you have to go farm useless thing for 1 year before you can play what you want they will just go to another game.
    Putting AP requirement is just silly

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2020

    @Fangoth.4503 said:
    Of course its not ok for player to be unable to play raid the first year

    why ?? is is mmo game or not? In another game I am grind 2 years, each day, to get loot by first boss..That a mmo game, not fast single 1 day game.

    if you tell people you have to go farm useless thing for 1 year before you can play what you want they will just go to another game.

    someone come out, someone opposite come in.

    Putting AP requirement is just silly

    this is requirement from some people. Want join, don't want don't join, make you own squad or find another sq.lead.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Fangoth.4503 said:
    Of course its not ok for player to be unable to play raid the first year

    why ?? is is mmo game or not? In another game I am grind 2 years, each day, to get loot by first boss..That a mmo game, not fast single 1 day game.

    because if someone want to raid he goes to raid, not to collect dredge weapons or afk kill 1k rats with a torch or whatever else has nothing to do with raid.
    if you want to put it as requirement in your own lfg its your choice but fine but it's not fine if it lock people out of the instance if they didn't farm unrelated stuff

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fangoth.4503 said:
    because if someone want to raid he goes to raid, not to collect dredge weapons or afk kill 1k rats with a torch or whatever else has nothing to do with raid.

    so it was of reason why I am not raid each day, only sometimes, - to easy for new players come and start raid. No smell of mmo.

    if you want to put it as requirement in your own lfg its your choice but fine but it's not fine if it lock people out of the instance if they didn't farm unrelated stuff

    yes, I like ask non related stuff. It is part of fun.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • DirtyDan.4759DirtyDan.4759 Member ✭✭✭

    Make your own squad.