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  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:

    This is not a game about skill or cosmetics.

    Yeah, it is. It has been through two iterations, GW1 and GW2. You're right, though, after this debacle, I'm not having fun. But I _am _going to criticise them for ruining my fun with RNG schemes, since I now have all this free time.

  • @Sylv.5324 said:

    @Camaro Charr.2805 said:

    @Camaro Charr.2805 said:

    @Jaskar.3071 said:

    @Camaro Charr.2805 said:
    Hey I spent 400 gems on a random mount. It came up Highland Harrier, but I do not show the option to mount the Highland Harrier in game. What gives?

    Its a SKIN.
    there is an option to change mount skins in the hero-menu

    In the hero menu it is showing as locked for me... has a lock symbol over it.

    Let me guess... because I don't have the original griffon mount, then I cant use it... kitten

    Thank you for illustrating why the current method is garbage.

    Okay A-net, at least give people a "random" skin they can use. Thus far I have given you 400 of my gems for nothing.

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @troops.8276 said:

    And why do you take the stance that anyone that doesn't agree with you has no experience in either the corporate world and/or running a successful business when some of us do? (I assume I'm not the only one)

    I used to run an art gallery a while back, and currently make fab money as someone who is self-employed. You can sell things without gambling schemes.

  • Anchoku.8142Anchoku.8142 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    "Gambling" on what is essentially a guaranteed drop of a non-duplicate mount skin is far better than gambling for the Bitterfrost Vantage Point, which awarded much too little for map completion versus the cost in keys.

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Galactic.6453 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Erulogos.2591 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    But I support Anet's decision to attempt to create more profits without ANY negative impact on game design.

    This right here is where you and others differ strongly. If this method actually does make the money for Anet you believe it will, what are the odds of us being able to get mounts any other way? They won't give us achievement mount skins when they can make money from the same art team effort. And face the fact, this is not a game about skill, it is a game about cosmetics, so access to those cosmetics really does impact the game design.

    Hmm. I would say since there currently is a skin for sale for 2000 gems without any RNG, that kinda kills your argument that "we won't be able to get mount SKINS any other way" ... right??

    This is not a game about skill or cosmetics. It's a game about fun. If you have fun playing it, then you'll be glad that folks buying loot boxes might get you another expansion or two. If you don't have fun playing it, then why are you playing it. :P

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Erulogos.2591 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    But I support Anet's decision to attempt to create more profits without ANY negative impact on game design.

    This right here is where you and others differ strongly. If this method actually does make the money for Anet you believe it will, what are the odds of us being able to get mounts any other way? They won't give us achievement mount skins when they can make money from the same art team effort. And face the fact, this is not a game about skill, it is a game about cosmetics, so access to those cosmetics really does impact the game design.

    Hmm. I would say since there currently is a skin for sale for 2000 gems without any RNG, that kinda kills your argument that "we won't be able to get mount SKINS any other way" ... right??

    This is not a game about skill or cosmetics. It's a game about fun. If you have fun playing it, then you'll be glad that folks buying loot boxes might get you another expansion or two. If you don't have fun playing it, then why are you playing it. :P

    There exist people in this world who have fun with dressing up their characters and in extension their mounts in an MMO that is about dressing up their characters and lose out on fun if they cannot dress them up the way they want without paying in a roundabout way for something while wasting most of the money, who'd have thunk?

    And some people really enjoy loot boxes. OK. Cool.

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah, 'this game isn't about cosmetics' is one of the silliest arguments I've heard in this thread so far. I really have no idea why people are trying arguments like that, is it just trolling at this point? Which is productive how? If the intention is to get me more disgusted with ANet, it's working, I guess, since that's the attitude they want to foster now?

    I regret ever spending a dime on this game, and its previous iteration. What a waste of time and money.

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And frankly, if you like this game, you should too.

    Of course I like this game, that's why I'm ticked off that the reason I bought this xpac was gated behind 'gamble or pay a further $120 for a limited time to get the skin you want'. I already paid for the ultimate edition, why was this not included, if they were that desperate for cash?

    OK. First of all. Anet never promised Mount Skins with the expansion at all. I can't recall a single marketing device that stated mounts would even have skins. So you can't claim that first point. You bought PoF as it was advertised.

    Second of all, if they indeed are "strapped for cash" then why would they include something for free in a package that you bought without them including it? You see how that's silly right? (I still feel like most of you need business lessons ... "making money" isn't enough when you have bosses and investors and boards of directors)

    Now let me ask you something. Would you have bought PoF if they announced there would never be any mount skins? If you still would have, then just go ahead and pretend there aren't any mount skins. Boom. Have fun!

    Responses like yours are pretty much cementing my resolve never to spend a dime on ANet again, because they have enabled and encouraged this disingenuousness and condescension. Thanks for saving me money!

    Does logic often resolve you to not spend money in other realms? Or is logic just toxic to you in video games?

    People need to stop thinking with their hearts. This is a very emotional reaction to a very logical decision.

    And anyone who is against Anet trying to make more money, please work next week for free at your job. And never, ever ask for a raise. Lest you be yet another "greedy kitten", eh?

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:

    And some people really enjoy loot boxes. OK. Cool.

    If ANet wants to primarily be a loot box reward game now, I am definitely out.

  • @pah.4931 said:

    @Galactic.6453 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Erulogos.2591 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    But I support Anet's decision to attempt to create more profits without ANY negative impact on game design.

    This right here is where you and others differ strongly. If this method actually does make the money for Anet you believe it will, what are the odds of us being able to get mounts any other way? They won't give us achievement mount skins when they can make money from the same art team effort. And face the fact, this is not a game about skill, it is a game about cosmetics, so access to those cosmetics really does impact the game design.

    Hmm. I would say since there currently is a skin for sale for 2000 gems without any RNG, that kinda kills your argument that "we won't be able to get mount SKINS any other way" ... right??

    This is not a game about skill or cosmetics. It's a game about fun. If you have fun playing it, then you'll be glad that folks buying loot boxes might get you another expansion or two. If you don't have fun playing it, then why are you playing it. :P

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Erulogos.2591 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    But I support Anet's decision to attempt to create more profits without ANY negative impact on game design.

    This right here is where you and others differ strongly. If this method actually does make the money for Anet you believe it will, what are the odds of us being able to get mounts any other way? They won't give us achievement mount skins when they can make money from the same art team effort. And face the fact, this is not a game about skill, it is a game about cosmetics, so access to those cosmetics really does impact the game design.

    Hmm. I would say since there currently is a skin for sale for 2000 gems without any RNG, that kinda kills your argument that "we won't be able to get mount SKINS any other way" ... right??

    This is not a game about skill or cosmetics. It's a game about fun. If you have fun playing it, then you'll be glad that folks buying loot boxes might get you another expansion or two. If you don't have fun playing it, then why are you playing it. :P

    There exist people in this world who have fun with dressing up their characters and in extension their mounts in an MMO that is about dressing up their characters and lose out on fun if they cannot dress them up the way they want without paying in a roundabout way for something while wasting most of the money, who'd have thunk?

    And some people really enjoy loot boxes. OK. Cool.

    In that case they can just put in an option for lootboxes for those who enjoy lootboxes and an option for direct purchase for those who enjoy having choice and it'd be perfect for everyone, right?

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    Ok, Anet. Thanks to enabling folks like Pah, I am done. That's the kind of player you clearly want. In the meantime, I'll resub to a game that will let me spend my money the way I prefer to.

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Yeah, 'this game isn't about cosmetics' is one of the silliest arguments I've heard in this thread so far. I really have no idea why people are trying arguments like that, is it just trolling at this point? Which is productive how? If the intention is to get me more disgusted with ANet, it's working, I guess, since that's the attitude they want to foster now?

    I regret ever spending a dime on this game, and its previous iteration. What a waste of time and money.

    So your argument is that everyone plays this game for the same reason and that is cosmetics? Or, now that I worded it out for you, did you want to change that position??

    There are a lot of reasons to play this game. It isn't a Dress Up simulator and was never marketed it as such. How your character looks is an aspect of the game, like EVERY MMO EVER MADE, but that is not its purpose... It exists for a social and fun gaming experience.

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    And, for the record, I think it's 100% cool to get on these forums and express your feedback on how this was implemented.

    What chaps my behind is all the hate at Anet for doing nothing wrong. This isn't even morally gray. They are not evil villains. They have data showing this will make them more money and thus they are trying to make more money. That is not evil.

    Also, I enjoy a good debate :D

  • @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And frankly, if you like this game, you should too.

    Of course I like this game, that's why I'm ticked off that the reason I bought this xpac was gated behind 'gamble or pay a further $120 for a limited time to get the skin you want'. I already paid for the ultimate edition, why was this not included, if they were that desperate for cash?

    OK. First of all. Anet never promised Mount Skins with the expansion at all. I can't recall a single marketing device that stated mounts would even have skins. So you can't claim that first point. You bought PoF as it was advertised.

    Second of all, if they indeed are "strapped for cash" then why would they include something for free in a package that you bought without them including it? You see how that's silly right? (I still feel like most of you need business lessons ... "making money" isn't enough when you have bosses and investors and boards of directors)

    Now let me ask you something. Would you have bought PoF if they announced there would never be any mount skins? If you still would have, then just go ahead and pretend there aren't any mount skins. Boom. Have fun!

    Responses like yours are pretty much cementing my resolve never to spend a dime on ANet again, because they have enabled and encouraged this disingenuousness and condescension. Thanks for saving me money!

    Does logic often resolve you to not spend money in other realms? Or is logic just toxic to you in video games?

    People need to stop thinking with their hearts. This is a very emotional reaction to a very logical decision.

    And anyone who is against Anet trying to make more money, please work next week for free at your job. And never, ever ask for a raise. Lest you be yet another "greedy kitten", eh?

    Here you go with your strawman again. No one is against Anet making more money. It's against Anet making more money with dishonest means.

    It exists for a social and fun gaming experience.

    Says who, you? Why is your opinion worth more than that of someone who predominantly likes the dressup?

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dondarrion.2748 said:
    Been away from game on holiday a week and you managed to burn down your own house with a little thought through solution, Anet. Just imagine if you had dropped the adoption licenses with option to pick your skin instead of the rng... you'd have avoided 95% of the kitten, which is highly warranted given how you chose to implement this.
    I've yet to return from holiday and haven't even seen the 30 skins but the few i saw even look like hardly any change in model, and i can't fathom anyone would buy even half of them... in which case the rng element seems to conceal anothrr worrying trend; like BL chests that it is ok to reward cash gambling with "trash" items...

    http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-black-lion-mount-adoption-license-mount-skins/

    Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.

  • Wolfheart.7483Wolfheart.7483 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    .> @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And some people really enjoy loot boxes. OK. Cool.

    If ANet wants to primarily be a loot box reward game now, I am definitely out.

    They had a lootbox when they launched with the Black Lion chests. So now after adding the adoption contract which is far less "gambling" than a traditional loot box, you equate that to being a primarily loot box reward game?

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Galactic.6453 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And frankly, if you like this game, you should too.

    Of course I like this game, that's why I'm ticked off that the reason I bought this xpac was gated behind 'gamble or pay a further $120 for a limited time to get the skin you want'. I already paid for the ultimate edition, why was this not included, if they were that desperate for cash?

    OK. First of all. Anet never promised Mount Skins with the expansion at all. I can't recall a single marketing device that stated mounts would even have skins. So you can't claim that first point. You bought PoF as it was advertised.

    Second of all, if they indeed are "strapped for cash" then why would they include something for free in a package that you bought without them including it? You see how that's silly right? (I still feel like most of you need business lessons ... "making money" isn't enough when you have bosses and investors and boards of directors)

    Now let me ask you something. Would you have bought PoF if they announced there would never be any mount skins? If you still would have, then just go ahead and pretend there aren't any mount skins. Boom. Have fun!

    Responses like yours are pretty much cementing my resolve never to spend a dime on ANet again, because they have enabled and encouraged this disingenuousness and condescension. Thanks for saving me money!

    Does logic often resolve you to not spend money in other realms? Or is logic just toxic to you in video games?

    People need to stop thinking with their hearts. This is a very emotional reaction to a very logical decision.

    And anyone who is against Anet trying to make more money, please work next week for free at your job. And never, ever ask for a raise. Lest you be yet another "greedy kitten", eh?

    Here you go with your strawman again. No one is against Anet making more money. It's against Anet making more money with dishonest means.

    It exists for a social and fun gaming experience.

    Says who, you? Why is your opinion worth more than that of someone who predominantly likes the dressup?

    1) How is it dishonest? You can't just throw words around. They have meaning. Anet never once lied.

    2) So, again, your argument is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who plays GW2 is playing it to play dress up? And that is the correct opinion. And my opinion that people have tons of different reasons to play is the one that needs to be defended. Man, public schools are really failing us, aren't they?

    But if you refuse to believe basic logic about GW2 reason to exist, here is Anet's take on it. Let me know how heavily "playing dress up" is featured in the write up:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-design-manifesto/

  • @AlexanderDracul.7492 said:
    I don't think it's fair to blame the devs since it could be an NCsoft analyst telling GW2 to implement something, but I hope there is a change of some sort to the system.

    If this was an NCsoft thing, then it's even more important to show them, that GW2's community does not support the same rng-box mayhem that other games get away with.

    No skin should be exclusive to gem-store rng boxes.
    What really happened with mount skins

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

    Good luck! If you find a great new MMO that really strikes your fancy, let me know! It's getting bleak out there for games as huge and awesome and freeing as these.

  • troops.8276troops.8276 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And frankly, if you like this game, you should too.

    Of course I like this game, that's why I'm ticked off that the reason I bought this xpac was gated behind 'gamble or pay a further $120 for a limited time to get the skin you want'. I already paid for the ultimate edition, why was this not included, if they were that desperate for cash?

    OK. First of all. Anet never promised Mount Skins with the expansion at all. I can't recall a single marketing device that stated mounts would even have skins. So you can't claim that first point. You bought PoF as it was advertised.

    Second of all, if they indeed are "strapped for cash" then why would they include something for free in a package that you bought without them including it? You see how that's silly right? (I still feel like most of you need business lessons ... "making money" isn't enough when you have bosses and investors and boards of directors)

    Now let me ask you something. Would you have bought PoF if they announced there would never be any mount skins? If you still would have, then just go ahead and pretend there aren't any mount skins. Boom. Have fun!

    Responses like yours are pretty much cementing my resolve never to spend a dime on ANet again, because they have enabled and encouraged this disingenuousness and condescension. Thanks for saving me money!

    Does logic often resolve you to not spend money in other realms? Or is logic just toxic to you in video games?

    People need to stop thinking with their hearts. This is a very emotional reaction to a very logical decision.

    And anyone who is against Anet trying to make more money, please work next week for free at your job. And never, ever ask for a raise. Lest you be yet another "greedy kitten", eh?

    What rubbish. Those are totally false equivalencies. And if people stop thinking with their hearts then they could quite easily just walk away from this franchise. If people truly did only spend with pure logical analysis then huge sectors of industry and manufacturing would decline. Do you even realise what you're asking for? And you seem to claim to be some sort of an expert in business. There is all ways a balance between maximum profit and alienating your client base in an open market.

  • Nick.1480Nick.1480 Member
    edited November 10, 2017
            So! I'm still a little shaky on this argument but, i see what people are getting mad at, this is for those who are still confused or wondering, "Whats all the drama for?" The problem with the mount skin issue is not the cosmetic skins but, how its being presented.  
    
          You buy an** "Adoption Contract"** you use it to get a mount skin. BUT that skin is at random so lets say you wanted the **"FlameLander"** Raptor skin. But, you don't get it because remember you get a mount skin at **RANDOM**. RNG(Random Number Generator) so instead you get the **"Spotted Sylph"** Griffon skin. This is what people are mad at. The random game or gambling with the Loot Box trend. People want to be able to pick out what they want without having to buy more  **"Adoption Contracts"** to hopefully get what they want. As far as i'm aware Anet has plenty of other ways to make money without having to get people get these contracts so that the players can try to get what they want.
    

    This is what I know of so far. The reason i'm still so shaky on this is because I don't see a problem with loot boxes since a lot of the time its cosmetic stuff. Even with the BLC because it mostly consists of weapon skins and permanent contracts (can only be found in those) and a few items from the Gem Store. Something I like to gamble for to make gold in for legendary crafting. haha

  • Still waiting impatiently for Anet to actually say something other than 'we're reading this', because as far as I'm concerned this is all moot until there's a response.

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

    In fairness, if it's "destroyed" this easily and quickly, it can't have been a very sturdy loyalty to begin with. You weren't able to buy in completely to the latest cosmetic craze in a way that 100% suited you immediately upon release of said new craze. I don't mean it to seem like I'm picking on you or anything but I think that says more about the quality of your "loyalty" than anything.

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

    Good luck! If you find a great new MMO that really strikes your fancy, let me know! It's getting bleak out there for games as huge and awesome and freeing as these.

    Loot box RNG is one of the reasons why.> @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

    In fairness, if it's "destroyed" this easily and quickly, it can't have been a very sturdy loyalty to begin with. You weren't able to buy in completely to the latest cosmetic craze in a way that 100% suited you immediately upon release of said new craze. I don't mean it to seem like I'm picking on you or anything but I think that says more about the quality of your "loyalty" than anything.

    If you have to re-interpret my statement into your own strawman, that's the best you've got. Both of you, really. ANet's been getting on my last nerve for about a year, especially with the proliferation of RNG. I think that 10+ years and thousands of dollars is pretty sturdy, but apparently you disagree. ANet seems to as well, so that tells me all I need to know. The fact that it encourages posts like yours and Pah's also shows me that I was wrong in sticking by ANet and wrong in supporting the company. What others choose to do is up to them, but the lack of response + insistence on RNG loot boxes makes it clear what kind of company it is now. It would have been nice if Mo had mentioned that when he said he'd make things up to the community, though.

  • NYG.2568NYG.2568 Member ✭✭

    @Ashabhi.1365 said:
    I understand the frustration with not getting to pick the skin you want, but seriously... it's a SKIN. If it were an in-game bonus that you can't get through in-game means, I would be right there on the bandwagon with y'all. As it is, it's a LUXURY item. Using the car analogy of another poster, it's not saving for a Mercedes and spinning the wheel to get a Pinto. It's buying the Mercedes and spinning to get bluetooth, performance tires, or some other upgrade. Those things aren't something you have to have, but if you want them, you have to pay extra.

    My only request would be that they be public and not bound. There would be a HUGE in-game market for them.

    That would have been mine, having said that your example doesn't work.
    Some not all already have the the Mercedes to get upgrades for. Some people don't have a Griffin yet or may never get it yet they have an 'upgrade' for it.
    Back to your example, when I'm getting said upgrade on my Mercedes and want performance tires, I want Performance tires NOT Bluetooth...

  • @PeaceInLove.6795 said:
    @Chickenooble.5014
    That screen shot was actually my comment. Please let people know before hand if you're going to screen cap and post it somewhere else ♡
    But I'm glad my post on Facebook helped people!

    Hey everyone, let's give a round of applause to @PeaceInLove.6795 since it was their comment I had previously screenshotted in this thread. Without them asking a question on Facebook then someone here wouldn't have received a verifiable answer. Good thing we have PeaceInLove because without them we would have to ask our own questions or take screenshots of other peoples questions -- but only if we let the original question asker know that we're taking a picture of their post because it is the greatest contribution to humanity of all time! So guys, make sure you recognize that person asked a question. Because they asked a question. And they obviously want recognition. So bow your heads in respect and kneel before the person who asked a question on a social media platform.

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @NYG.2568 said:

    Some not all already have the the Mercedes to get upgrades for. Some people don't have a Griffin yet or may never get it yet they have an 'upgrade' for it.
    Back to your example, when I'm getting said upgrade on my Mercedes and want performance tires, I want Performance tires NOT Bluetooth...

    There are, in fact, examples in the thread of folks getting skins for mounts they can't use. So it doesn't even check against that. But that's cool.

  • Avelione.6075Avelione.6075 Member ✭✭✭

    We've been used to randomized "presents" for a while. I understand how something as big as a mount skin is more demanded to be as you want it. It gave me mixed feelings, but having some gambling is always exciting to me.
    I thought that for this price, having to gamble fits me more than buying a skin I want for 600 or maybe 800. Though the skin I got is for a Griffon, that I can't ride yet. **So I wish we could get only a skin for mounts that we already unlocked (at least, first in the order). I wouldn't mind an option to switch my new skin that I won't be able to use for a while for a random that would fit for one of the mounts I already have. Or to be able to get a random skin for a mount that we choose.
    **
    Not sure what kind of intentions are behind this price policy; but maybe ANet could work with your players to make it better??? wink wink ;););)

    Choya is love, Choya is life!

  • Zero Day.2594Zero Day.2594 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And frankly, if you like this game, you should too.

    Of course I like this game, that's why I'm ticked off that the reason I bought this xpac was gated behind 'gamble or pay a further $120 for a limited time to get the skin you want'. I already paid for the ultimate edition, why was this not included, if they were that desperate for cash?

    OK. First of all. Anet never promised Mount Skins with the expansion at all. I can't recall a single marketing device that stated mounts would even have skins. So you can't claim that first point. You bought PoF as it was advertised.

    Second of all, if they indeed are "strapped for cash" then why would they include something for free in a package that you bought without them including it? You see how that's silly right? (I still feel like most of you need business lessons ... "making money" isn't enough when you have bosses and investors and boards of directors)

    Now let me ask you something. Would you have bought PoF if they announced there would never be any mount skins? If you still would have, then just go ahead and pretend there aren't any mount skins. Boom. Have fun!

    Responses like yours are pretty much cementing my resolve never to spend a dime on ANet again, because they have enabled and encouraged this disingenuousness and condescension. Thanks for saving me money!

    Does logic often resolve you to not spend money in other realms? Or is logic just toxic to you in video games?

    People need to stop thinking with their hearts. This is a very emotional reaction to a very logical decision.

    And anyone who is against Anet trying to make more money, please work next week for free at your job. And never, ever ask for a raise. Lest you be yet another "greedy kitten", eh?

    Pretty kitten sure, that as consumers we have every right to have (and should have) a say and push back on whatever it is we're consuming.

    Lest we just bend over every time and say "Okay, they need the money - take it"

    Fork over your credit card to them for a week, let them know your password, and everything. See what happens.


    Their decision, is logical.
    But that doesn't mean it's right, good, or correct.

  • @Chickenooble.5014 said:

    @PeaceInLove.6795 said:
    @Chickenooble.5014
    That screen shot was actually my comment. Please let people know before hand if you're going to screen cap and post it somewhere else ♡
    But I'm glad my post on Facebook helped people!

    Hey everyone, let's give a round of applause to @PeaceInLove.6795 since it was their comment I had previously screenshotted in this thread. Without them asking a question on Facebook then someone here wouldn't have received a verifiable answer. Good thing we have PeaceInLove because without them we would have to ask our own questions or take screenshots of other peoples questions -- but only if we let the original question asker know that we're taking a picture of their post because it is the greatest contribution to humanity of all time! So guys, make sure you recognize that person asked a question. Because they asked a question. And they obviously want recognition. So bow your heads in respect and kneel before the person who asked a question on a social media platform.

    @Chickenooble.5014 said:

    @PeaceInLove.6795 said:
    @Chickenooble.5014
    That screen shot was actually my comment. Please let people know before hand if you're going to screen cap and post it somewhere else ♡
    But I'm glad my post on Facebook helped people!

    Hey everyone, let's give a round of applause to @PeaceInLove.6795 since it was their comment I had previously screenshotted in this thread. Without them asking a question on Facebook then someone here wouldn't have received a verifiable answer. Good thing we have PeaceInLove because without them we would have to ask our own questions or take screenshots of other peoples questions -- but only if we let the original question asker know that we're taking a picture of their post because it is the greatest contribution to humanity of all time! So guys, make sure you recognize that person asked a question. Because they asked a question. And they obviously want recognition. So bow your heads in respect and kneel before the person who asked a question on a social media platform.

    I laughed so hard at this response, only because I am a very dry, sarcastic person when dealing with my friends. I tend to agree, though, that if you put up a post on social media, all bets are pretty much off. It's public. People will read it, respond to it, use it, in whatever way they see fit. I'm pretty sure unless they are making money from something someone wrote, its not necessary to contact the original person for quotes, such as reposting on a forum. Now, it is polite, if you WANT to ask them, but I don't think people should get bent out of shape over repostings of public posts (not that PeaceInLove did. They were pretty chill about the request). Like, I quoted you both in this post. I'm not going to ask you if I can. ;)

  • Erulogos.2591Erulogos.2591 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:

    Hmm. I would say since there currently is a skin for sale for 2000 gems without any RNG, that kinda kills your argument that "we won't be able to get mount SKINS any other way" ... right??

    This is not a game about skill or cosmetics. It's a game about fun. If you have fun playing it, then you'll be glad that folks buying loot boxes might get you another expansion or two. If you don't have fun playing it, then why are you playing it. :P

    I did have a conditional statement in there, about whether or not the RNG skins make them sufficient profit. Also my statement has to do with moving forward. I suppose if the non-RNG skin sells well we'd see more of those, but given that it is a somewhat niche skin, and almost punitively priced*, that doesn't seem likely to me.

    The fun in this game is heavily tied up in the cosmetics, for me and for many others.

    *I realize some other games have sold what are basically mount skins for the same price, but in those games mounts are universal, you can use them in all situations where mounts get used. GW2 mounts are much more situational, so selling the skin at the same price point provides less value. If the reforged skin had been a pack like the spooky skins, it would be much more comparable to mount skins sold in other games (and that is part of why I actually bought the spooky pack when it came out.)

  • Luth.6915Luth.6915 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    I worry that after this Anet will use this method to sell recycled skins or outfits with different color channels or varying textures, stick a few flashy ones in there with plenty trash ones to make it harder to roll on it.

  • @Djinn.9245 said:

    @sidecarpilot.3468 said:
    I strongly disagree with unlockable mount skins on achievements/collections/loot. We didn't have it with gliders, I dont think it makes sense to have it with mounts

    There are a couple of gliders that you can get in-game:

    Ad Infinitum: Fractals
    The Ascension: PvP
    Warbringer: WvW

    Thoose are associated with backpacks of legendary rarity, and there's a relation between backpacks-gliders that justifies thoose, the glider part kind of plays into the fact that you are limited when designing a legendary backpiece when compared to weapons, the glider skin became part of the legendary tier "effect", much like projectiles on legendary weapons.
    Since mounts are not a "equipment" like backpieces I don't see how you can compare them, the direct comparison is to stand-alone gliders.

    @starhunter.6015 elmos fire.2987" said:
    I think the price is good with the 2000 gem mount and that they should just get rid of the RNG aspect.
    Make the coolest mounts 2000 gems, the visually very different but without special effects mounts 1200 gems and the ones with just new dye channels like 400 gem or something like that. 2000 gems is like 550 gold or something and that is pretty close to the volcanus, infinite light or foefire weapons. Visually the mounts give much more than any legendary or glider or anything in game so I think thats ok for a cost of mediocre looking weapon.
    I just really dont like the RNG.
    Awesome job with the mount skins A net. :) I just hope all the best for a game I have loved so long and still love.

    >
    So you are saying that a single mount skin should be priced at nearly the same amount of money as the expac itself?
    I'll be completly honest here, the price is ridiculous and insane, a single skin that isn't that impressive for same amount of gems as a whole pack like halloween skins?
    Furthermore, I've been pretty active in open world maps for the last few days, so far i've seen 1 or 2 players with that jackal, obviously not the best-seller.

  • @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    And frankly, if you like this game, you should too.

    Of course I like this game, that's why I'm ticked off that the reason I bought this xpac was gated behind 'gamble or pay a further $120 for a limited time to get the skin you want'. I already paid for the ultimate edition, why was this not included, if they were that desperate for cash?

    OK. First of all. Anet never promised Mount Skins with the expansion at all. I can't recall a single marketing device that stated mounts would even have skins. So you can't claim that first point. You bought PoF as it was advertised.

    Second of all, if they indeed are "strapped for cash" then why would they include something for free in a package that you bought without them including it? You see how that's silly right? (I still feel like most of you need business lessons ... "making money" isn't enough when you have bosses and investors and boards of directors)

    Now let me ask you something. Would you have bought PoF if they announced there would never be any mount skins? If you still would have, then just go ahead and pretend there aren't any mount skins. Boom. Have fun!

    Responses like yours are pretty much cementing my resolve never to spend a dime on ANet again, because they have enabled and encouraged this disingenuousness and condescension. Thanks for saving me money!

    Does logic often resolve you to not spend money in other realms? Or is logic just toxic to you in video games?

    People need to stop thinking with their hearts. This is a very emotional reaction to a very logical decision.

    And anyone who is against Anet trying to make more money, please work next week for free at your job. And never, ever ask for a raise. Lest you be yet another "greedy kitten", eh?

    Pretty kitten sure, that as consumers we have every right to have (and should have) a say and push back on whatever it is we're consuming.

    Lest we just bend over every time and say "Okay, they need the money - take it"

    @primatos.5413 said:
    kitten why are they allowed to sell somehing to 12 year old people anyway ? Make Game 16+ at least and say what u want .. it is a Gamble System and everybody knows

    There was a recent discussion with some board (same one that gives game ratings - "E" for everyone...) on loot boxes and gambling...

    Gist of it is that that board doesn't see loot boxes as gambling. And if they were, the rating would be set higher to Adult or something (maybe Mature) - screwing over a lot of games.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    They are trying to make MORE money. Which isn't inherently evil by itself. That is what I am saying.

    Sorry to dispel the illusion for you here, but greed isn't exactly not evil.

    But it's not greed. It's business. If this was the most played MMO with a sub, you'd have a point. But it's not. It's an aging game in a declining genre. It needs to show growth or it's harder to convince "the masters" to keep it running.

    (I mean. Sure, it could be greed. But I am arguing that it probably isn't.)

    ((ask yourself ... if you ran a company, would you not take more money????))

    It's greed. They could have just as easily put the separate skins on the store. They just wanted the capture the percentage of people that didn't get the skin they wanted the first time and make them pay more.

    Wanting more money is NOT the definition of greed. You could easily work for $8 per hour. Do you? Or are you greedy? You are greedy aren't you!? (see.)

    Maybe they are preventing layoffs by doing this. Is it greedy to keep people with families employed and thousands of people enjoying a video game? Hmmm.

    Yes, it is the definition of greed. This really isn't difficult. My income and what I desire to spend have nothing to factoring into the definition of a word.

    greed
    [ɡrēd]
    NOUN

    intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
    

    Then, we, as humans, are all greedy by definition.

    You can label yourself if you choose.

    Oh look, an insult. No, by nature we are selfish, greedy, or judgement.

    Greed created the drive for humanity to do things, along with various other feelings.

    If you want to debate this (which is pointless) the moment you think: 'I want more than this person' than that is greed. Technically yes, businesses are greedy, but at that case if you work for a business you want more money, therefore you are greedy. The money you earn, should be enough to give you basic necessities, but as humans WE, as a race, always want more. That's how we can progress and also how we can faltered.

    I'm sorry everything is not radiant, holy, or justice-filled for you but that is how this world works buttercup.

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

    Good luck! If you find a great new MMO that really strikes your fancy, let me know! It's getting bleak out there for games as huge and awesome and freeing as these.

    Loot box RNG is one of the reasons why.> @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Don't care, spending my hundreds a month elsewhere. GLHF.

    This is how loyalty for over a decade is destroyed.

    In fairness, if it's "destroyed" this easily and quickly, it can't have been a very sturdy loyalty to begin with. You weren't able to buy in completely to the latest cosmetic craze in a way that 100% suited you immediately upon release of said new craze. I don't mean it to seem like I'm picking on you or anything but I think that says more about the quality of your "loyalty" than anything.

    If you have to re-interpret my statement into your own strawman, that's the best you've got. Both of you, really. ANet's been getting on my last nerve for about a year, especially with the proliferation of RNG. I think that 10+ years and thousands of dollars is pretty sturdy, but apparently you disagree. ANet seems to as well, so that tells me all I need to know. The fact that it encourages posts like yours and Pah's also shows me that I was wrong in sticking by ANet and wrong in supporting the company. What others choose to do is up to them, but the lack of response + insistence on RNG loot boxes makes it clear what kind of company it is now. It would have been nice if Mo had mentioned that when he said he'd make things up to the community, though.

    But. It's not even a strawman though. I'm just trying to tell you, in as nice a way as I can, that you might benefit from taking a step back and viewing your reaction in a more objective manner. Because it does not seem proportional to the level of "crime" that Anet has committed.

    As a complete tangential aside, sturdiness of loyalty would not be measured by me in quantity of money. I don't believe anyone would claim that company investors are the most loyal of people.
    Again, if this is feeling like a personal attack, it is not meant to.

  • Dondarrion.2748Dondarrion.2748 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Ok, Anet. Thanks to enabling folks like Pah, I am done. That's the kind of player you clearly want. In the meantime, I'll resub to a game that will let me spend my money the way I prefer to.

    What made you unsub in the first place? With all p2p MMOs I've had experience with the decision to unsub usually comes because publisher makes kitten decisions, ie. they make stuff you don't want despite you dishing out 10-15 Eur per month...

    That said i agree with you here but don't make rash decisions (how will you come back from threat after threat...) when the topic is still being debated and Anet/GW2 will have to change something here to avoid destroying their own reputation..

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  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dondarrion.2748 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:
    Ok, Anet. Thanks to enabling folks like Pah, I am done. That's the kind of player you clearly want. In the meantime, I'll resub to a game that will let me spend my money the way I prefer to.

    What made you unsub in the first place? With all p2p MMOs I've had experience with the decision to unsub usually comes because publisher makes kitten decisions, ie. they make stuff you don't want despite you dishing out 10-15 Eur per month...

    That said i agree with you here but don't make rash decisions (how will you come back from threat after threat...) when the topic is still being debated and Anet/GW2 will have to change something here to avoid destroying their own reputation..

    They don't have to change a thing, considering how so many folks think it's just great.

  • Djinn.9245Djinn.9245 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @pah.4931 said:

    No laws were broken, and I GUARANTEE YOU they are making more money this way. If you actually love this game, you would see that and be happy that this "manipulative" (lol) business practice is keeping the lights on. OK, so you don't get the shiny raptor you want, but maybe now you might get one more expansion before the game shutters.

    Just makes it clear that there's no longer any point in investing in a game that's going so broke that it's going to shut down soon. Maybe folks should have stuck to GW1's original design, that one lasted over a decade.

    There are many companies that haven't and wouldn't stoop to using manipulative practices even if they are/were going broke. It's called having higher standards.

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