Please make raids 5 man

Astralporing.1957 · April 27, 2019

@ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:Guess i have advantage of my high IQ. Did not relised that not everyone can use google for 5 minutesApparently you haven't realized as well that that what you are talking about is a much more complex problem than you think it is.

ButcherofMalakir.4067 · April 28, 2019

@Astralporing.1957 said:
@ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:Guess i have advantage of my high IQ. Did not relised that not everyone can use google for 5 minutesApparently you haven't realized as well that that what you are talking about is a much more complex problem than you think it is.

You might be right. I dont relise that and maybe it might be harder then i think.

So for those that havent tried that open google and type in gw2 raid guild/discord and if you want add your nationality and you should find one pretty soon

Compleo.3182 · April 28, 2019

Raids are piss easy anyway. People are just bad in general. The only thing they could do is adding some weekly rewards to CMs, at least like a Raider supply box, the same one you get for the first kill. Then it would make worth the time to repeat some CMs.

Thornwolf.9721 · April 29, 2019

@Miellyn.6847 said:
@"Thornwolf.9721" said:Id rather just drop raids in favor of other forms of content that is not limited to a small percentage of the player base, raids are not difficult and I've done them frankly while being pretty id of rather gone to ALOT of these zones in a living world. Have them flushed out with maybe a challenging dungeon I Can do with my friends without the need for pugs; Or for constant recruiting. I only stick in my family guild with those I know; I don't care for having more than that and I Feel its a mistake to allow it as the original guild wars was something that offered "Guilds" meaning. Here its just meaningless kitten above your head.
Challenging dungeons or fractals have the same audience as raids. They are still as nice and it won't change anything other than you run it with 5 than with 10 players.And your only reason for 5 people is that you can run it with friends and without pugs. Not a valid reason tbh, just selfish.Raids all'n'all seem like a waste of such talented developers who could be helping elsewhere; Hell make fractals harder and make them more fun because those are boring as hell as some of the older ones are dated. What about the Abbadon fractal they promised would come out later? Or other such mentions of events happening either off screen or in guild wars 1 that we can revisit? Nah raiding is lame, thats WoW's thing and frankly as its all they really have to call their own they nail it alot of the time. These ones are kind of just... I mean here?
The Abbadon fractal will likely never happen. They said they never promised it will be created. Only the fractal that wins the vote will be created. The other one is gone.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/page/1#post2473417
It also brought a crowd I didn't want in this game to the game; One I had hoped would of been left in other games but sadly it seems Anet refuses to adhere to the core philosophy of their game for some things while making sure to stand by it for others.

So what is the core philosophy in the game? There a lot of people claiming to know that but most of them are actually wrong...

The core philosophy of the game was to NOT be like other games. They had no intention on there being raids, mounts or a meta because they wanted people to play HOW THEY WANTED. Not be force fed by some clowns who think they know everything there is to know; And we have side stepped from being a "Different Kind of MMO-RPG" To being a clone of WoW without the class balance. Mounts I don't mind anymore, I like em sure but raids to me never once really entice you to play them and its not really worth dealing with the people who do them. Most of the time its a cancerous crowd who suck the "Fun" out of a game and it doesn't matter if you are ontop of it or not, if you're running a class they dislike or see as useless they will either A:Be rude. OR B: Kick you.

I mean I Really don't care but I Feel like its a waste of resources to entertain a game mode and take areas I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE and make them into "Challenging content" Which is really just "DpS it hard, fast and do the semi-decent mechanics that all'n'all take little effort with deductive reasoning." The game was designed and sold as something different, fresh and new. The art book from the deluxe edition of the original game says as much; That they chose purposely not to add raids because they felt it promoted something they did not stand for. ( Not in those words, but more to the effect "We had ideas, but felt we were going in a different direction.")

I think raids were one of the worst things to happen to this game; And they continue to take areas that could of been cool for something better and instead slap a dps timer on it with some meh mechanics. I mean really its not challenging at all if you remotely know the fight and anyone doing them has been doing them; Those who lack interest wont go in and those who know raiding from other games might already have a stigma about it. Everyone always says a new class would be a waste of resources, a new set of weapons that are new to the game would be as well. But raids are the biggest waste we have both for the art team and the dev team behind them; When we could be getting so much more. But no the hardcore vocal minority have to have their "Challenging content" For the sake of it, despite it not even being close to challenging once so ever. (This coming from a Souls player, a bloodborne player and hell to chalk it up even ESO has harder endgame content then what these raids present.)

Cyninja.2954 · April 29, 2019

@Thornwolf.9721 said:
@Miellyn.6847 said:
@Thornwolf.9721 said:Id rather just drop raids in favor of other forms of content that is not limited to a small percentage of the player base, raids are not difficult and I've done them frankly while being pretty id of rather gone to ALOT of these zones in a living world. Have them flushed out with maybe a challenging dungeon I Can do with my friends without the need for pugs; Or for constant recruiting. I only stick in my family guild with those I know; I don't care for having more than that and I Feel its a mistake to allow it as the original guild wars was something that offered "Guilds" meaning. Here its just meaningless kitten above your head.
Challenging dungeons or fractals have the same audience as raids. They are still as nice and it won't change anything other than you run it with 5 than with 10 players.And your only reason for 5 people is that you can run it with friends and without pugs. Not a valid reason tbh, just selfish.Raids all'n'all seem like a waste of such talented developers who could be helping elsewhere; Hell make fractals harder and make them more fun because those are boring as hell as some of the older ones are dated. What about the Abbadon fractal they promised would come out later? Or other such mentions of events happening either off screen or in guild wars 1 that we can revisit? Nah raiding is lame, thats WoW's thing and frankly as its all they really have to call their own they nail it alot of the time. These ones are kind of just... I mean here?
The Abbadon fractal will likely never happen. They said they never promised it will be created. Only the fractal that wins the vote will be created. The other one is gone.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/page/1#post2473417
It also brought a crowd I didn't want in this game to the game; One I had hoped would of been left in other games but sadly it seems Anet refuses to adhere to the core philosophy of their game for some things while making sure to stand by it for others.

So what is the core philosophy in the game? There a lot of people claiming to know that but most of them are actually wrong...

The core philosophy of the game was to NOT be like other games. They had no intention on there being raids, mounts or a meta because they wanted people to play HOW THEY WANTED. Not be force fed by some clowns who think they know everything there is to know; And we have side stepped from being a "Different Kind of MMO-RPG" To being a clone of WoW without the class balance. Mounts I don't mind anymore, I like em sure but raids to me never once really entice you to play them and its not really worth dealing with the people who do them. Most of the time its a cancerous crowd who suck the "Fun" out of a game and it doesn't matter if you are ontop of it or not, if you're running a class they dislike or see as useless they will either A:Be rude. OR B: Kick you.

Oh please stop this nonsense already or at least do some decent background checks. The original idea was always for there to be challenging instanced content while there was supposed to be temporary living world events which ran their course.

The second, temporary living world events did not work out and were adapted to more permanent solutions which were feasible both workload as well as content wise. As well as the move to try with expansions, to which there is no information if there is going to be a third one.

As to challenging instanced content, it became very evident that dungeons were to easy and also did not provide the longevity hoped for. Thus fractals were introduced and expanded upon over a very long period of time (both difficulty as well as replay-ability wise). Raids came in from the get go as designed for only a fraction of the player base in the hope to get a maximum return for minimal investment.

As far as play as you please, that still exists and was never altered or moved from. You just decide to misunderstand (or deliberately ignore) what was meant by that phrase: not being forced into specific content for gear or in game wealth acquisition. This remains mostly valid as no matter what you play or do in GW2, you will always accumulate wealth which you can mostly freely chose to distribute to what ever aspect of the game you desire.

I just can't hear this nonsense any longer after almost 7 years and this misconception having been pointed out and corrected with both explanations and citations over and over. You are ill-informed.

I am always amazed by this notion how people assume that because XYZ was added, some other content missed out. If some of the raids had not been introduced, those themes (which are intentionally not related to the main story and campaign) would very likely not have been in the game at all. While at the same time creating less reasons for players to play this game. To assume differently is fantasy. The only thing gained by not having raids would have been a team of a couple of people work on maybe an additional Living world episode over the last few years or some extra fractals. That's it.

Thornwolf.9721 · April 29, 2019

@Cyninja.2954 said:
@Thornwolf.9721 said:
@Miellyn.6847 said:
@Thornwolf.9721 said:Id rather just drop raids in favor of other forms of content that is not limited to a small percentage of the player base, raids are not difficult and I've done them frankly while being pretty id of rather gone to ALOT of these zones in a living world. Have them flushed out with maybe a challenging dungeon I Can do with my friends without the need for pugs; Or for constant recruiting. I only stick in my family guild with those I know; I don't care for having more than that and I Feel its a mistake to allow it as the original guild wars was something that offered "Guilds" meaning. Here its just meaningless kitten above your head.
Challenging dungeons or fractals have the same audience as raids. They are still as nice and it won't change anything other than you run it with 5 than with 10 players.And your only reason for 5 people is that you can run it with friends and without pugs. Not a valid reason tbh, just selfish.Raids all'n'all seem like a waste of such talented developers who could be helping elsewhere; Hell make fractals harder and make them more fun because those are boring as hell as some of the older ones are dated. What about the Abbadon fractal they promised would come out later? Or other such mentions of events happening either off screen or in guild wars 1 that we can revisit? Nah raiding is lame, thats WoW's thing and frankly as its all they really have to call their own they nail it alot of the time. These ones are kind of just... I mean here?
The Abbadon fractal will likely never happen. They said they never promised it will be created. Only the fractal that wins the vote will be created. The other one is gone.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/page/1#post2473417
It also brought a crowd I didn't want in this game to the game; One I had hoped would of been left in other games but sadly it seems Anet refuses to adhere to the core philosophy of their game for some things while making sure to stand by it for others.

So what is the core philosophy in the game? There a lot of people claiming to know that but most of them are actually wrong...

The core philosophy of the game was to NOT be like other games. They had no intention on there being raids, mounts or a meta because they wanted people to play HOW THEY WANTED. Not be force fed by some clowns who think they know everything there is to know; And we have side stepped from being a "Different Kind of MMO-RPG" To being a clone of WoW without the class balance. Mounts I don't mind anymore, I like em sure but raids to me never once really entice you to play them and its not really worth dealing with the people who do them. Most of the time its a cancerous crowd who suck the "Fun" out of a game and it doesn't matter if you are ontop of it or not, if you're running a class they dislike or see as useless they will either A:Be rude. OR B: Kick you.

Oh please stop this nonsense already or at least do some decent background checks. The original idea was always for there to be challenging instanced content while there was supposed to be temporary living world events which ran their course.

The second, temporary living world events did not work out and were adapted to more permanent solutions which were feasible both workload as well as content wise. As well as the move to try with expansions, to which there is no information if there is going to be a third one.

As to challenging instanced content, it became very evident that dungeons were to easy and also did not provide the longevity hoped for. Thus fractals were introduced and expanded upon over a very long period of time (both difficulty as well as replay-ability wise). Raids came in from the get go as designed for only a fraction of the player base in the hope to get a maximum return for minimal investment.

As far as play as you please, that still exists and was never altered or moved from. You just decide to misunderstand (or deliberately ignore) what was meant by that phrase: not being forced into specific content for gear or in game wealth acquisition. This remains mostly valid as no matter what you play or do in GW2, you will always accumulate wealth which you can mostly freely chose to distribute to what ever aspect of the game you desire.

I just can't hear this nonsense any longer after almost 7 years and this misconception having been pointed out and corrected with both explanations and citations over and over. You are ill-informed.

Or perhaps its you who misunderstands that raids were never needed for end game content, they abandoned dungeons and went to fractals. They could of kept going with fractals and not wasted their time with meaningless "Larger Fractals YAY!". They make you ping legendary insights when getting into the group, Raid groups are inheirently toxic and it brings terrible people out into the spotlight. I mean really; Before yes we had our toxic morons who spouted off but since raids have become a thing people have seemingly sprung up from no where.

As for end game challenging content, as I Said raids aren't challenging. Now HoT as a whole was and people bitched about it until they dummed it down; Because all the babies couldn't handle it and instead tried to push this narrative that the raids are where its at. Four or five years I've been listening to you raiders say none-sense, your mode is the least played next to PvP . PvP has been completely abandoned so maybe its time raids were as well and they turn vested interest in what is proven to work; Rather then trying to force something that clearly ISN'T WORKING. PvP failed because of the forced attempt into E-sports which is similar to why WoW right now is suffering in pvp as well most content, because everything has to be a freaking E-sport.

Raids fail fundamentally at what they are intended to do but its clear all you're gonna do is white knight; So I mean clearly I shouldn't be wasting my time but I am because Im sick to death of you people. Because you are the very same people who will turn around and tell someone who is asking for "New race, new class, new weapons, new anything" That you'd rather resources be put elsewhere. So for once Im saying it to you, this is a waste of resources and I would rather see it put elsewhere and since the raiding community is so small I doubt them leaving to whatever other mmo there is for them will hurt the game.

ButcherofMalakir.4067 · April 29, 2019

@Thornwolf.9721 said:
@Miellyn.6847 said:
@Thornwolf.9721 said:Id rather just drop raids in favor of other forms of content that is not limited to a small percentage of the player base, raids are not difficult and I've done them frankly while being pretty id of rather gone to ALOT of these zones in a living world. Have them flushed out with maybe a challenging dungeon I Can do with my friends without the need for pugs; Or for constant recruiting. I only stick in my family guild with those I know; I don't care for having more than that and I Feel its a mistake to allow it as the original guild wars was something that offered "Guilds" meaning. Here its just meaningless kitten above your head.
Challenging dungeons or fractals have the same audience as raids. They are still as nice and it won't change anything other than you run it with 5 than with 10 players.And your only reason for 5 people is that you can run it with friends and without pugs. Not a valid reason tbh, just selfish.Raids all'n'all seem like a waste of such talented developers who could be helping elsewhere; Hell make fractals harder and make them more fun because those are boring as hell as some of the older ones are dated. What about the Abbadon fractal they promised would come out later? Or other such mentions of events happening either off screen or in guild wars 1 that we can revisit? Nah raiding is lame, thats WoW's thing and frankly as its all they really have to call their own they nail it alot of the time. These ones are kind of just... I mean here?
The Abbadon fractal will likely never happen. They said they never promised it will be created. Only the fractal that wins the vote will be created. The other one is gone.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/page/1#post2473417
It also brought a crowd I didn't want in this game to the game; One I had hoped would of been left in other games but sadly it seems Anet refuses to adhere to the core philosophy of their game for some things while making sure to stand by it for others.

So what is the core philosophy in the game? There a lot of people claiming to know that but most of them are actually wrong...

The core philosophy of the game was to NOT be like other games. They had no intention on there being raids, mounts or a meta because they wanted people to play HOW THEY WANTED. Not be force fed by some clowns who think they know everything there is to know; And we have side stepped from being a "Different Kind of MMO-RPG" To being a clone of WoW without the class balance. Mounts I don't mind anymore, I like em sure but raids to me never once really entice you to play them and its not really worth dealing with the people who do them. Most of the time its a cancerous crowd who suck the "Fun" out of a game and it doesn't matter if you are ontop of it or not, if you're running a class they dislike or see as useless they will either A:Be rude. OR B: Kick you.

I mean I Really don't care but I Feel like its a waste of resources to entertain a game mode and take areas I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE and make them into "Challenging content" Which is really just "DpS it hard, fast and do the semi-decent mechanics that all'n'all take little effort with deductive reasoning." The game was designed and sold as something different, fresh and new. The art book from the deluxe edition of the original game says as much; That they chose purposely not to add raids because they felt it promoted something they did not stand for. ( Not in those words, but more to the effect "We had ideas, but felt we were going in a different direction.")

I think raids were one of the worst things to happen to this game; And they continue to take areas that could of been cool for something better and instead slap a dps timer on it with some meh mechanics. I mean really its not challenging at all if you remotely know the fight and anyone doing them has been doing them; Those who lack interest wont go in and those who know raiding from other games might already have a stigma about it. Everyone always says a new class would be a waste of resources, a new set of weapons that are new to the game would be as well. But raids are the biggest waste we have both for the art team and the dev team behind them; When we could be getting so much more. But no the hardcore vocal minority have to have their "Challenging content" For the sake of it, despite it not even being close to challenging once so ever. (This coming from a Souls player, a bloodborne player and hell to chalk it up even ESO has harder endgame content then what these raids present.)

So raids are challanging but easy? I am lost.How many new players will start playing because Anet add greataxe to the game?How many will leave because anet will not add greataxe?And how many joined because of raids and will leave when anet stop developing raids?

My friends showed me this "amazing game" long time ago called guildwars 2. I saw it for 20 minutes and than asked what is there to do and after another 20 minutes of explanation I understood that there is basicaly nothing to do. No reason to create builds when everything dies in 2 hits anyway. And nonexistent balance for those who run hardcore dungeons which was only part that was semi interesting. I read about dungeons at home and that was last nail in the coffin because i didnt want to play warrior.

After some time hot and raids were added and suddenly builds started to matter and so did teamplay and thats when i started playing because finaly there was something to do for me. And I am playing ever since. I am not playing only raids but without raids I wouldnt play very frequently. This gamemode is the reason I play.Interesting fact. I dont run around maps screaming at people what builds they should be playing and I imagine none of the raiders do.

Cyninja.2954 · April 29, 2019

@Thornwolf.9721 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@Thornwolf.9721 said:
@Miellyn.6847 said:
@Thornwolf.9721 said:Id rather just drop raids in favor of other forms of content that is not limited to a small percentage of the player base, raids are not difficult and I've done them frankly while being pretty id of rather gone to ALOT of these zones in a living world. Have them flushed out with maybe a challenging dungeon I Can do with my friends without the need for pugs; Or for constant recruiting. I only stick in my family guild with those I know; I don't care for having more than that and I Feel its a mistake to allow it as the original guild wars was something that offered "Guilds" meaning. Here its just meaningless kitten above your head.
Challenging dungeons or fractals have the same audience as raids. They are still as nice and it won't change anything other than you run it with 5 than with 10 players.And your only reason for 5 people is that you can run it with friends and without pugs. Not a valid reason tbh, just selfish.Raids all'n'all seem like a waste of such talented developers who could be helping elsewhere; Hell make fractals harder and make them more fun because those are boring as hell as some of the older ones are dated. What about the Abbadon fractal they promised would come out later? Or other such mentions of events happening either off screen or in guild wars 1 that we can revisit? Nah raiding is lame, thats WoW's thing and frankly as its all they really have to call their own they nail it alot of the time. These ones are kind of just... I mean here?
The Abbadon fractal will likely never happen. They said they never promised it will be created. Only the fractal that wins the vote will be created. The other one is gone.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/cutthroat/IMO-ArenaNet-favors-Evon-Unfair/page/1#post2473417
It also brought a crowd I didn't want in this game to the game; One I had hoped would of been left in other games but sadly it seems Anet refuses to adhere to the core philosophy of their game for some things while making sure to stand by it for others.