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Teef: at least we can play 2 Builds in ranked S/D - D/P Anet: Here u have "SWIPE" Teef: at least we can play 1 build in rank S/D Anet: lets see, patch is incomming Teef: oh no please stop it ... True could be worse... Sindrener: just play DE it is better anyway plebs... "and then I Farm u with S/D"Sindrener played DE himself on the stream. Faeleth never stoped to play DE. Top2 EU is DE (now, and he was falling back and forth in positions)... Sure DE is cant be played in ranked /sThe last season reaper player finished as top3 with 800 games nonstop playing, not just sitting it out as many does.Even core guardian CAN be played in ranked as last season top14 is a core guard main, point is... what cant be played in ranked ? I mean 90% of my games this season has been S/D which i climbed to 1920-30ish with. Then played some DE cus haste PW is fun. However im pretty much done with the game?:(But again my point was - what cant be played in ranked? People able to get relatively high placed with reaper/core guardian/core mesmer and shouldnt really stop them from playing off meta spec.

Mesmer is pretty much irrelevant in common T4+CMs, firebrigade replaced it entirely and literally nobody looking for it. (They agree to take chrono if they are tired to wait for renegade :joy: )

The trade off was Anet statement, elites are not meant to be an upgrade. Just a different way to play your profession. If one elite spec exceed at something, then only the elite spec should be nerfed before the core specs because if you nerf core specs, you punish the entire relevance of the profession with the elite spec itself and other elite specs. Imagine being a core player and you're having your fun without bothering much of the meta that you are already balanced in but because the elite spec over there benefits from your core trait better, you'll have to get nerfed because of them. It's 1 step forward, 2 steps back. They're not, but all such discussions need to keep in mind that there's an inherent tradeoff in that you're giving up a third core traitline, and the mesmer core traitlines are pretty good on the whole. Duel - all trash except deceptive evasion.Illusions - all trash except torch cdr.Dom - CS, mental anguish and imagined burden are good, rest is meh.Inspi - meme traitline.Tldr: they are were better long ago before nerfs and nowdays you go for a specific trait rather than entire traitline :D

Can this also be applied in HotM (standart models)? I dont like people with infusions, they make their characters ugly and I dont want to see it. So I'm against it o/

Can you remember at least ONE example when they changed thier patchnotes ....? Because I dont. RIP Chrono. They are also forgot why IP became a baseline...

The trade off was Anet statement, elites are not meant to be an upgrade. Just a different way to play your profession.There is many examples where you have close to no trade off or no trade off at all. And basically boost to the class or give way less compared to what they gainImagine being a core player and you're having your fun without bothering much of the meta that you are already balanced in but because the elite spec over there benefits from your core trait better, you'll have to get nerfed because of them. It's 1 step forward, 2 steps back.Imagine... JUST imagine.... thats arldy happened with a mesmer MILLION times... chrono overperforming! NERF CORE traits,weapons,utiltiies. MIRAGE EVADE TOO MUCH !1111 NERF CORE traits,weapons.utilities.

Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ? I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw. If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it. Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason. You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter. Again, clueless about thief. You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever. What? He never said ds was fair or that improv is balanced at recharging ds, we all know its busted but that is also why everyone uses it, it's too good not to take it. bv is only good I'd say for the break bar on lord lol.Let me quote him

Firebrand isn't actually that great at team condi-cleansing. Yes F2 gives lots of cleanse, but this is on a 50s cool down and locks the FB out of weapon skills. Outside of this what cleanse does FB bring? Typically the cleanse mantra is not used. Tempest is actually much superior at team cleansing over time. It would be interesting to see that difference be more pronounced. Have FB be boon-support, Tempest be cleanse-support, and Druid be raw-heals-support, then people must choose which they want.With the amount of condis scourge vomit I dont think tempest can handle this, at all (I havent seen them for a long time, may be its secretly better than FB? ;) ) .... Aside from cleanses fb brings -> boons/heals/revive signet, it has everything while others...I think both need a tone down, scourge and its condi spam and FB. I never said Tempest was better than FB. Why are you twisting my words?It was an obvious joke, come on.At least what I wrote in " ( ) "

Chaos interrupt will fall in the unused builds like it always be once people start playing with condiclear and more defense again.BTW about the note : What did they mean by the illusion counter ? it may be my bad english but I don't get it.Speed of Sand = no superspeed reset when using master of manipulation.Chrono shatter : it's a shatter mecanics like without IP and we lose F4 invul. Need to see the numbers.Dune cloak : can be pretty good with boon removal.Auspicious anguish : hudge survival nerf for all chaos builds. (Hopefully I switched to no chaos builds.) Will see how did it perform with other changes. BTW WHERE IS THE GLAMOUR TRAIT : https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/72428/when-will-the-glamour-trait-come-backCome on please... the three purple/pink dots next to shatters now reflect on non-shattered clones only rather than included ones running towards enemy for shatter. To clarify further, it's a cosmetic change only and has no gameplay implications. The changes to chrono being unable to self-shatter, on the other hand, is pretty devastating for any hope of mesmer being usable in WvW groups. It's also just generally a miserable change from a QoL perspective. There's a good reason why almost every single build in vanilla took illusionary persona until it became baseline. True but they were looking for a way to add a trade off to chrono, what would in your opinion be a fair tradeoff? They got rid of distortion, did you not notice that? Pretty much my thinking. Losing distortion is a tradeoff (while technically it's rolled into CS, in practice now it essentially just serves as a cover for the first second of CS rather than providing a defensive benefit). Losing Illusory Persona is a tradeoff. Losing both in one patch is overkill. Maybe if Illusionary Reversion gets, well, reverted, but that could turn it into the new Illusory Persona.Put Illusionary persona in the replacement of any trait and I assure you, it would be taken no matter what other 2 options are I wasn't saying that Illusionary Reversion would be given the effect of Persona, but if it was reverted to its launch state, it might become like Persona in that it becomes a must-take trait.I know you didnt say it... however if they replace any trait with IP, in competitive game modes it would be taken regardless(i'm 99.9% sure about it).Even if they revert IR I dont think that would be enough.And who even like "a must have traits" ?How its good for anyone? Why dont remove all options and give us elite specializations/traitlines without a choice ?Edt: Cooldown is insanely long and not worth losing IP just to get this crappy shatter.Can I play chronomancer just as core but without CS? Would be like a normal traitline that offer wells/alacrity shatter :joy:

Chaos interrupt will fall in the unused builds like it always be once people start playing with condiclear and more defense again.BTW about the note : What did they mean by the illusion counter ? it may be my bad english but I don't get it.Speed of Sand = no superspeed reset when using master of manipulation.Chrono shatter : it's a shatter mecanics like without IP and we lose F4 invul. Need to see the numbers.Dune cloak : can be pretty good with boon removal.Auspicious anguish : hudge survival nerf for all chaos builds. (Hopefully I switched to no chaos builds.) Will see how did it perform with other changes. BTW WHERE IS THE GLAMOUR TRAIT : https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/72428/when-will-the-glamour-trait-come-backCome on please... the three purple/pink dots next to shatters now reflect on non-shattered clones only rather than included ones running towards enemy for shatter. To clarify further, it's a cosmetic change only and has no gameplay implications. The changes to chrono being unable to self-shatter, on the other hand, is pretty devastating for any hope of mesmer being usable in WvW groups. It's also just generally a miserable change from a QoL perspective. There's a good reason why almost every single build in vanilla took illusionary persona until it became baseline. True but they were looking for a way to add a trade off to chrono, what would in your opinion be a fair tradeoff? They got rid of distortion, did you not notice that? Pretty much my thinking. Losing distortion is a tradeoff (while technically it's rolled into CS, in practice now it essentially just serves as a cover for the first second of CS rather than providing a defensive benefit). Losing Illusory Persona is a tradeoff. Losing both in one patch is overkill. Maybe if Illusionary Reversion gets, well, reverted, but that could turn it into the new Illusory Persona.Put Illusionary persona in the replacement of any trait and I assure you, it would be taken no matter what other 2 options are.

Mesmer weapons: scepter, GS, both swords (probably axe now too xD)

Firebrand isn't actually that great at team condi-cleansing. Yes F2 gives lots of cleanse, but this is on a 50s cool down and locks the FB out of weapon skills. Outside of this what cleanse does FB bring? Typically the cleanse mantra is not used. Tempest is actually much superior at team cleansing over time. It would be interesting to see that difference be more pronounced. Have FB be boon-support, Tempest be cleanse-support, and Druid be raw-heals-support, then people must choose which they want.With the amount of condis scourge vomit I dont think tempest can handle this, at all (I havent seen them for a long time, may be its secretly better than FB? ;) ) .... Aside from cleanses fb brings -> boons/heals/revive signet, it has everything while others...I think both need a tone down, scourge and its condi spam and FB.

he seems to only port when cc'd tho.altho to be fair most of the time he is cc'd tho, so. idkYe that seems to be weird he teleport only while engi CC'd him. If he has the entire game better to look at him closely if he randomly teleport or only when he is CC'd. Hard to tell if its speedhack or not, I know one guy who is playing from asia on EU and everyone think he is hacking xD

u rly dunno much bout mesmer now do u? not being able to shatter on yourself and not being able to shatter with 0 clones. also no distortion on f4 basically. that's a nail in a coffin for chronos. they made illusionary persona trait as baseline for a reason. that's how important it is to use shatters with no clones. chrono will be clunky and terrible. nothing "strong in pve" about it also. Actually I was about to respond something like : why you put any class you have no clue about when he can talk only about his ranger... could just replace it with "Weird changes. I don't know enough about "X class" to see if these will be useful or not."

Sadly some mesmers still don't get that, which is why at some point I said that mesmers community shouldn't point at what to nerf regarding mesmers, whenever a mesmer suggest nerfs and buffs, the nerfs goes through the patch, the buffs goes into mystic forge and turns into nerfs.Random nerfs like speed of sands that must be baseline for mirage BUT its nooooo ....GRANDMASTER TRAIT, who the fk else have band aid GRANDMASTER minor traits to fix re-ta-rdness of your own elite spec???

:thinking: Let me help you with your thinking. The distance traveled even forward by mc with the new nerf is less than a normal dodge and it will be even more awful if you have cripple or chill on you.The attack while evading bit doesn't exist anymore, only half in case of 3/4 casts or less of the attack is covered by mc.The only thing mc has that's actually good is that you can do it while stunned.Double trade off on mesmer apparently?IP and F4 deleted from the chrono, they want to give another trade off on the mirage too? XD F4 and F5 are merged together and for good purpose. Core F4 is already a very strong skill that didn't need to be accessible twice, especially with how clones are easily spawned now. F4 and F5 have different goals, F5 is commonly used offensively whereas F4 is purely defensive. Furthermore at F5's end everything gets reset, so it makes 0 sense to merge F4 and F5. That's where you're missing the point, you want every good things with no trade off. That's not how you balance a game.Thats how you balance the game: give IP baseline because otherwise mesmer is utter garbage and everyone could kill your clones with 1 autoattack so you never can use your class mechanic, ever. Damn, at least we could boost clone and phantasm HP by 80%(?) back then so they wont be a thin paper.It doesnt matter that they merged F4 into F5 or not, they literally take it away and if we want to use good old at least 1s distort we have to waste CS on huge cd? Which class also have 105 seconds cd to his "different way of playing" feature?If anything I want to destroy necro shroud,warrior adrenaline, revenant energy,thief initiative and kill soulbeast simultaniously with a pet(or no merge when pet is dead at least) etc. BEFORE THEY CAN USE THEIR STUFF so this could be fair.

You can thank some Mesmers that still don't get that when you suggest nerfs and buffs only the nerfs get into patch. Some mesmers spammed that chrono should lose distortion in favor of CS without getting that chrono is already weak in terms of sustain even with distortion.I dont remember any mesmer spammed that Illusionary persona must be taken away tho

:thinking: Let me help you with your thinking. The distance traveled even forward by mc with the new nerf is less than a normal dodge and it will be even more awful if you have cripple or chill on you.The attack while evading bit doesn't exist anymore, only half in case of 3/4 casts or less of the attack is covered by mc.The only thing mc has that's actually good is that you can do it while stunned.Double trade off on mesmer apparently?IP and F4 deleted from the chrono, they want to give another trade off on the mirage too? XD

Double trade off ... and what trade off.... take away something that made mesmer playable as class??? New shatters must be insane strong to compensate this