(Pvp) spell breaker should be the duelist god not bladespam

[gmmg.9210]

All in title 

[Psycoprophet.8107]

Why, cuz u like spellbreaker better? Lol

[Vancho.8750]

9 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

Why, cuz u like spellbreaker better? Lol

My guess, cause it is kinda almost useless in PVE and you can't retire it there like for example Berserker. Enjoying some playstyle over the other is good enough reason to want that.
With all the "IT'S A PVP SPEC" nonsense that was going around for a long time one would expect that it should probably do better than the big kitten dps PVE spec in PVP.

[Zizekent.2398]

8 minutes ago, Vancho.8750 said:

My guess, cause it is kinda almost useless in PVE and you can't retire it there like for example Berserker. Enjoying some playstyle over the other is good enough reason to want that.
With all the "IT'S A PVP SPEC" nonsense that was going around for a long time one would expect that it should probably do better than the big kitten dps PVE spec in PVP.

They giga buffed untamed for PvE, yes, the "pvp only" spec, and took a couple months, meanwhile spellbreaker, years, lmao.

[draxynnic.3719]

It's something that's always annoyed me about the 'some specialisations are designed for one game mode' argument that gets thrown around sometimes. We've seen how that works with spellbreaker. If the specialisation succeeds at being good in PvP, it gets nerfed down to the level of the other specs (or below) and then you have something that isn't really good in any mode.

Spellbreaker could really do with some changes that give it more of a role in PvE. Is anyone actually using the meditations apart from the elite?

As for the thread title... yeah, from a balance perspective if nothing else, spellbreaker probably should be better at duelling than the bladesworn that brings a lot of support to the table. Although both have been good at bringing unblockable, albeit somewhat awkward to use, CC into a teamfight.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Full counter punishing vomit aoe damage is fine. People just don't want to run stab or more stunbreaks cause they then lose dps. 

But warrior is fine, we are all delusional and insane! 

[Lighter.5631]

spellbreaker definitely mechanically superior dualist.

bladesworn just disgustingly over buffed in healing to a point it is unhealthy for the game.

but again warrior has nothing that makes it live in the meta game, other then disgustingly over buffed healing numbers, not even spellbreaker's superior mechanics among other warriors

Edited August 7, 2022 by Lighter.5631

[oscuro.9720]

5 hours ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

Why, cuz u like spellbreaker better? Lol

As someone who enjoys spell more than blade, that’s besides the point. There’s two main reasons spell should be generally a better duelist in competitive modes than blade (not to say blade wouldn’t have a role, it’s team fight impact could and arguably should be higher imo). 
 

First, spell is a competitive first spec. It’s clearly not good in pve, and had a solid place in the Mets for a long time in competitive modes. It’s function of countering boons is extremely important in the boon-bloated meta we have and it should serve as a valuable equalizer. Of course it is not right now, which is why I would personally petition to buff it, but that’s besides the point. I don’t see a problem with competitive-first specs, but they need to at least be good in competitive modes to be a real competitive-first spec. 
 

Secondly, blade currently relies on bugged traits and bloated mechanics to be viable. That is generally unhealthy for competitive balance. Spell is predicated on action-reaction gameplay that generates a very high skill ceiling when it’s given tools on par with its opponents. Blade, instead, is a very low skill floor class that can allow players to punch well above their weight class due to these bloated mechanics. Things with higher skill floors and higher skill ceilings should be the things topping the meta, as they generally require a higher degree of skill, while low skill floor classes should not be topping metas (as blade currently does) because it lowers the overall skill level. This is not to say blade or other low skill floor classes shouldn’t have a place, they should, its just in lower tiers/they should be outclassed and lose to a higher skill player on a class with a higher ceiling. Conversely, if a lower skill player would be on a high skill ceiling class, they should lose, by virtue of not having the skills to leverage the class beyond what the mechanics of the low skill floor class allow for lower skill players. But the mechanics shouldn’t carry them so hard that they can just spam over better players. 
 

At least that’s my opinion. I would also say it’s not as severely a problem atm as many people make it out to be. I am, admittedly biased, as I find spell the best designed spec for competitive modes in the game. But I don’t think the idea that blade being a low skill floor spec and being carried by bloated mechanics, yet topping metas is unhealthy for the game is really that controversial. 

 

 

[Grand Marshal.4098]

59 minutes ago, oscuro.9720 said:

As someone who enjoys spell more than blade, that’s besides the point. There’s two main reasons spell should be generally a better duelist in competitive modes than blade (not to say blade wouldn’t have a role, it’s team fight impact could and arguably should be higher imo). 
 

First, spell is a competitive first spec. It’s clearly not good in pve, and had a solid place in the Mets for a long time in competitive modes. It’s function of countering boons is extremely important in the boon-bloated meta we have and it should serve as a valuable equalizer. Of course it is not right now, which is why I would personally petition to buff it, but that’s besides the point. I don’t see a problem with competitive-first specs, but they need to at least be good in competitive modes to be a real competitive-first spec. 
 

Secondly, blade currently relies on bugged traits and bloated mechanics to be viable. That is generally unhealthy for competitive balance. Spell is predicated on action-reaction gameplay that generates a very high skill ceiling when it’s given tools on par with its opponents. Blade, instead, is a very low skill floor class that can allow players to punch well above their weight class due to these bloated mechanics. Things with higher skill floors and higher skill ceilings should be the things topping the meta, as they generally require a higher degree of skill, while low skill floor classes should not be topping metas (as blade currently does) because it lowers the overall skill level. This is not to say blade or other low skill floor classes shouldn’t have a place, they should, its just in lower tiers/they should be outclassed and lose to a higher skill player on a class with a higher ceiling. Conversely, if a lower skill player would be on a high skill ceiling class, they should lose, by virtue of not having the skills to leverage the class beyond what the mechanics of the low skill floor class allow for lower skill players. But the mechanics shouldn’t carry them so hard that they can just spam over better players. 
 

At least that’s my opinion. I would also say it’s not as severely a problem atm as many people make it out to be. I am, admittedly biased, as I find spell the best designed spec for competitive modes in the game. But I don’t think the idea that blade being a low skill floor spec and being carried by bloated mechanics, yet topping metas is unhealthy for the game is really that controversial. 

 

 

Be careful Oscuro. Your statements are too factual! You are too credible! Some people here don't seem to enjoy it when an individual describes the issues with competetive BsW in a comprehensive manner with proper and structured arguments! 

 

Jokes aside, just all of what you said 👏

[tunococman.7324]

Bladespam LOL that's actually funny.

[stry.1493]

why would you want to play spellbreaker though

[gmmg.9210]

3 minutes ago, stry.1493 said:

why would you want to play spellbreaker though

Because dueling is cool

[stry.1493]

1 minute ago, gmmg.9210 said:

Because dueling is cool

but why spellbreaker, why not literally anything else?

[gmmg.9210]

5 minutes ago, stry.1493 said:

but why spellbreaker, why not literally anything else?

Because condi spec is dumb and mech is ranger. 
and ranger is no

[stry.1493]

Just now, gmmg.9210 said:

Because condi spec is dumb and mech is ranger. 
and ranger is no

you warrior mains complain all day long even though you literally have condi berzerker the most busted build in the game

[gmmg.9210]

Just now, stry.1493 said:

you warrior mains complain all day long even though you literally have condi berzerker the most busted build in the game

bring back d/d core for the downstate potential is what I say

[gmmg.9210]

2 minutes ago, stry.1493 said:

you warrior mains complain all day long even though you literally have condi berzerker the most busted build in the game

That’s true though anet told me berserker is good in all content so you’re right 

[KryTiKaL.3125]

9 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

It's something that's always annoyed me about the 'some specialisations are designed for one game mode' argument that gets thrown around sometimes. We've seen how that works with spellbreaker. If the specialisation succeeds at being good in PvP, it gets nerfed down to the level of the other specs (or below) and then you have something that isn't really good in any mode.

Spellbreaker could really do with some changes that give it more of a role in PvE. Is anyone actually using the meditations apart from the elite?

As for the thread title... yeah, from a balance perspective if nothing else, spellbreaker probably should be better at duelling than the bladesworn that brings a lot of support to the table. Although both have been good at bringing unblockable, albeit somewhat awkward to use, CC into a teamfight.

No, Meditations aren't used. They haven't been used since very early Spellbreaker builds that used Featherfoot Grace, which got overshadowed by Stance builds (this was pre-300s ICD and and the gruesome murder of Defense). Meditations need some serious reworks.

Really just...so much of everything on Warrior needs reworks. The only worthwhile utility skills are Armaments (primarily in PvE) and then Shouts. Thats it. Banners are in a better place now, still need work but better than they were. At least Warrior can be a source of Quickness in Raids now. Firebrand still exists...but y'know, baby steps I guess.

[oscuro.9720]

40 minutes ago, stry.1493 said:

why would you want to play spellbreaker though

Spell is, IMO, one of, if not the best designed spec in the game and one of the most fun to play. So why would I want to play spellbrealer? Because it’s more fun than most of the other specializations.

[stry.1493]

50 minutes ago, oscuro.9720 said:

Spell is, IMO, one of, if not the best designed spec in the game and one of the most fun to play. So why would I want to play spellbrealer? Because it’s more fun than most of the other specializations.

spellbreaker bad

 

[gmmg.9210]

3 hours ago, stry.1493 said:

spellbreaker bad

 

oscuro is right, spellmaker makes me like spells.

[stry.1493]

8 minutes ago, gmmg.9210 said:

oscuro is right, spellmaker makes me like spells.

Now i know where youve been getting your copium supply, what am I supposed to do just watch you descend into addiction and OD at 35? You need to stop going on forums and posting about warrior and learn a real class like guardian or necro. This is an intervention.

[oscuro.9720]

3 hours ago, stry.1493 said:

spellbreaker bad

 

Alright, you do you my guy. 

[tunococman.7324]

20 minutes ago, stry.1493 said:

Now i know where youve been getting your copium supply, what am I supposed to do just watch you descend into addiction and OD at 35? You need to stop going on forums and posting about warrior and learn a real class like guardian or necro. This is an intervention.

Yes I agree. Be boring :Kappa:

[Kayberz.5346]

6 hours ago, oscuro.9720 said:

Spell is, IMO, one of, if not the best designed spec in the game and one of the most fun to play. So why would I want to play spellbrealer? Because it’s more fun than most of the other specializations.

Spellbreaker - Literally just core warrior with 1 new ability tacked on,  never been relevant in pve since its release.

 

Truly the pinacle of elite spec design 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Kayberz.5346