Joxer.6024 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Ele is like the only class i dont have an 80 of and figured why not, give it a go. But man o man from what I have read and seen (or dont seen) they just dont seem to be worth it. Am I wrong? I have high ping but meh, I am used to it so would like a mostly fire Tempest be any good in like Open World stuffs or will I die...alot.? I dont mind a bit of a challenge but also dont play piano for a reason... ;)] It is sad that ANET has allowed one of their classes to fall thru the cracks but it cant be that bad, can it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) You only need piano play for optimal rotations (which only have value in raids/strikes/fractals). It's totally doable to camp an attunment and be content with that in open world. You won't die more than any other profession would. Edited October 31, 2022 by Dadnir.5038 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warscythes.9307 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) If all you read is the class's respective forum on how well any class does, you would be convinced literally every single class is the worst in the game. Edited October 31, 2022 by Warscythes.9307 5 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 As it stands currently, you should only play ele for the sake of having fun with ele. There is no particular niche that they fulfill or do better than anyone else. However, ele is also the most fun profession to play IMO. For most open-world stuff, Sandstorm will solve all of your survival problems. Doesn't matter which spec you play, Glyph of Storms will be an excellent skill that almost never leaves your bar. Fire Tempest does do O.K. in open world. It's biggest weakness is that mounting up kills all the summons, which can be a big annoyance when just running around. If you want a rotation that is utterly braindead, Fresh Air power tempest when played at a low level can be pretty good. The raid rotations are complicated and involve swapping through conjures, but the easy version is to use Lightning Hammer and bash things with it while spamming Air Overload. Weaver is... more complicated. The main advantage to weaver is that it has the strongest staff builds. The staff version will have you alternating between fire and earth to use all of their respective skills, only going into air on occasion when you want to drop lightning storm. For sword, there's two ways to do it. The Bolt to the Heart power builds just swap between air and fire continuously. It mashes some buttons, but less than what fire tempest will have you doing. The Fresh air power/hybrid builds will instead go into water from fire, use Twin Strike while mashing f3 to go into double air, then repeat the loop. The condi builds are... maddening. I do not think there's a good version of catalyst that is also easy to use. Catalyst is very much the button mashing Mozart that everyone characterizes ele as. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the krytan assassin.9235 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 The biggest problem with Ele is that Anet is unable to properly balance it. Throughout the 10 years the top ele players were consistently able to get the best dps output in game. Core release, HoT Tempest, PoF Weaver and EoD cata all got severely nerfed to limit the capacity of ele. It just becomes abit frustrating to see your own profession nerfed to the ground over and over. The current state of ele is ok'ish. Its pretty good in open world due its high aoe potential and its natural capacity to heal while in water attunement. For instanced PvE its Ok, but doesn't really provide any unique abilities/strengths. Heal Alac Tempest and sc/f Weaver are currently the "meta" ele builds and completely fine for all Endgame content. That being said, there's a wide array of possible builds out there that are completely viable for Endgame PvE content aslong as they're properly managed (f.e. was doing some power staff Weaver yesterday and was consistently able to get top 2 dps in strikes). The biggest 2 problems instanced PvE ele has right now are the catalyst Espec in general and the inability to provide decent Alacdps and Quickdps at the moment (both get like 24k dps on a perfect bench). Apart from that its just the basic kitten that every profession needs to deal with (some bugged traits, worthless skills, skilldesigns stuck in 2012 and devs that have either have no clue how to fix it or cant be bothered to do so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulknight.9620 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Kinda awkward topic. I would say ele is not worth it if ur looking for perfroming well with it. Every other profession can outperform ele atm. But if you want to play ele for fun sake or if you enjoy the aestetics, sure go for it. There are a lot of LI builds that work fine for OW and mid tier pve content. Tempest is being one of them. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer.6024 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 thanks all! Some sound advice and i reckon i will give it a go, whats the worse that can happen right....lol! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulknight.9620 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Joxer.6024 said: thanks all! Some sound advice and i reckon i will give it a go, whats the worse that can happen right....lol! Famous ele main last words... 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudisgreat.8492 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Zooming around breathing fire and blasting stuff with lightening bolts!! I get bored playing my other characters any more. Have fun! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZloyMakak.1429 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Of course you should try it! In my opinion ele is one of the most fun professions to play. It will take a bit of time to get used to a lot of skills but it's not really a piano as a lot of ppl like to say. (except some builds). For end game content there are many builds like: Power dps tempest, weaver, catalyst Condition dps tempest, weaver, catalyst Quickness provider dps catalyst (condi and power) Alacrity provider dps tempest (condi and power) Heal alacrity tempest Heal quickness catalyst (cleared all raids with cms on it as tank heal quick) ____ Ele have very strong open world builds with lots of aoe. Numerous pvp and wvw builds. Ele can take all roles in group composition. So this is my take on it. P. S. You just need to invest some time to learn what skills do and some base rotations. P. S. S. After you learn ele most other profession will feel very easy to play. And at last in my opinion specialisations by difficulty to play: (from easiest to hardest) Tempest - catalyst - weaver 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer.6024 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, ZloyMakak.1429 said: And at last in my opinion specialisations by difficulty to play: (from easiest to hardest) Tempest - catalyst - weaver That answers what i was going to ask next, which elite for a new Ele player (not to the game, just the class). Cheers!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animism.7530 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 It's bad and you're better off playing something else. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer.6024 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Animism.7530 said: It's bad and you're better off playing something else. Lol, theres always one.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the krytan assassin.9235 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Joxer.6024 said: That answers what i was going to ask next, which elite for a new Ele player (not to the game, just the class). Cheers!! The difficulty level of the especs kinda depend on the build and content you're running. For open world i generally agree with Tempest ->cata->Weaver. For instanced PvE it mostly depends on the build you are running, also some builds can be fairly easy to get into, but hard to master. Easy difficulty: sc/f condi Tempest, staff power weaver, hammer condi catalyst Moderate difficulty: heal alac sc/w Tempest, sw/d power Weaver, sc/f condi weaver Hard difficulty: sw/f condi Weaver, d/f condi Weaver, staff condi Weaver Very hard: power catalyst All dps builds should be able to provide 30-38k dps on Golem. Although some might not be able to reach the top dps that the SC community is looking for, it should be plenty for all Endgame PvE content. Edited October 31, 2022 by the krytan assassin.9235 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animism.7530 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Joxer.6024 said: Lol, theres always one.... You say, to a long-standing main Elementalist. Edited October 31, 2022 by Animism.7530 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keykey.9182 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Animism.7530 said: It's bad and you're better off playing something else 28 minutes ago, Joxer.6024 said: Lol, theres always one.... You know he's right. As for the OP topic. I used to play Ele, not anymore tough. 1-Bad class outperformed by every other. Even in terms of Hp/Armor. 2-Bad class for open world (power builds are bad and non existant). Taggins skills suck aswell animations are way to slow + mobs die too fast. 3-The Damage is trash, piano rotation that will do 20k at most, 30k-35k with Viper gear but..... I would not be wearing full viper with Ele in Open World if I were you ;). 4-You need to know your spells as weaver and not mess up with the rotation.(You know like a charachter from tekken or any fighting game you need to know the entire list of inputs what I mean by this is that you'll be in the practice room for quite a long time until you know what comes after what and your muscle memory does the rotation for you. Expect to die aswell. Its bad you're wasting your time and you're better off playing something else. It makes your effort look silly and is not rewarding at all to play just the opposite its frustating. Also what is the incentive of playing this class while Mechanist is around? Edited October 31, 2022 by keykey.9182 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer.6024 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, keykey.9182 said: Also what is the incentive of playing this class while Mechanist is around? because thats braindead and boring as...but at least you gave some valid reasons, unlike the "longtime ele player", so thanks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer.6024 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Animism.7530 said: You say, to a long-standing main Elementalist. Give me reasons, not just a blanket kitten blanket comment that they suck. Sometimes that can be seen as a challenge...sometimes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keykey.9182 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Joxer.6024 said: because thats braindead and boring as...but at least you gave some valid reasons, unlike the "longtime ele player", so thanks! I agree its braindead and boring, but still outperforms many classes.... which kills any reason atleast for me to play Ele again. If I stop in Story to read a dialogue i'll probably die with Ele while as Mech you can read the entire dialogue while ordering a pizza. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) When I play one of my Elementalists, I camp Fire attunement with the Tempest specialization. Using Marauder gear, it gets most Open World and Story content done within not-too-terrible time frames. But at the end of the day, you have to decide for yourself, whether Elementalist is fun for you or not. Theoretically optimal statistics are of tertiary importance at best. 6 hours ago, Joxer.6024 said: It is sad that ANET has allowed one of their classes to fall thru the cracks but it cant be that bad, can it? It can and it is that bad. But that profession you mentioned there is Warrior, not Elementalist. Edited October 31, 2022 by Fueki.4753 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiantWolf.2058 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 As a very casual elementalist enjoyer I will say that one issue when it comes to feeling you are wasting your time is having to swap attunements and dart in circles to barely stay alive when other professions can just walk by and do all that damage with much fewer buttons and effort. Is it fun? Mega yes But it is also frustrating when you see almost anyone else in the open world and have to wonder why you bother to play the game on hard mode for no reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solemn.9670 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 If you just want to play open world PvE (not raids, fractals, strikes) it's fine roll celestial stats run fire/air/X (replace x with your choice) and it's zzzz ezmode for the most part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceValentine.9320 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 I played Ele for quite some time and deleted it after a few months to make room for other classes. I don't think the mage type is my cup of tea. In my case, it was a waste of time not because it doesn't perform well but because the aesthetic/playstyle is not my type or liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulGuardian.6203 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Still do play elementalist. They are fun regardless of being a glass canon. All elite specs are also unique and fun. Just try not to get hit too many times and you're rolling. I have five, in which four are maining one of the 4 elements + Arcane + Elite, and a fifth, that is only ele for Role Playing purposes. I say it's worth it, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incurve Giidis.7829 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) dumb comment n v m Edited November 1, 2022 by Incurve Giidis.7829 dumb comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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