quaniesan.8497 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) We have some serious sniper that can also smash you down in melee here in WvW. While I enjoy 8-9k Trueshoot on DH once in a while if they do crit, and by god, if it does hit, even then you gotta do quite some work to finish up the rest of the poor guy's HP bar. but these Gunflame berserk hit squads in WvW are getting out of hand. Guaranteed16k crit back to back , one hit to down you, next hit to finish you. One of these guys downed and finished my guardian within 5 seconds and I thought dragon tooth is already busted nowadays. It's a tough situation, if they gain distance on you for sniping, you are done. I have seen these gunflame spam since the past updates, but it really gets out of hand these days. Nerf it to the ground? no, but tone it down abit. Edited February 8, 2023 by quaniesan.8497 1 2 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 It has a 1.54 coefficient in PvP/WvW. You're getting hit by a full glass meme signet build with a support babysitting it, and it's only going to hit for 16k if you are also glass. The only thing that needs toning down in that setup is the supports babysitting it. 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Hahahaha They didn't buff berserker yet. Your topic is too early. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firellis.7954 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 All that build has for survivability is it's threat to down you fast, learn the builds so you spot them early. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Gunflame builds are disgusting, ngl, but I find this extremely ironic coming from a guardian/DH. Berserker has to run a complete meme build that dies almost instantly when engaged and has to dedicate all of its traits and utilities to the damage and setup (signets, etc). Meanwhile, guardian can run some combination of radiance/zeal/virtues and stack the following: +10% dmg when you have resolution +20% when you have aegis (that is getting reworked, fortunately) +10% after you use a virtue +30% on symbols Up to +10% if your symbols hit enemies Etc. And it can do all of this while still enjoying all of that guardian goodness of frequent aegis, blinds, boons, etc. Just the other day, I got hit for 12k by leap of faith in PvP. Virtually NOTHING hits that hard in a single hit in PvP. And this is an attack that has a 1.25 coeff (so you know just how many mods must have been active), heals the player, AND blinds the target. Because, you know, balance. (As an aside, some buddies who run this build have seen numbers as high as 16k on this single skill). And then my corpse was hit by whirling wrath, with every single hit landing for 2k+. And this on a build that gets away with running Valk stats and still pulls 60-70% crit chance thanks to fury, radiance's buff on resolution, and +10% crit on burning foes. Not to mention that DH variants get to abuse rune of the Trapper, turning offensive CDs into a major source of sustain and thus removing the tradeoff of running such an offensive build. So I'll agree with you and say that Gunflame berserker is obnoxious and could be toned down. But it's hardly the only offender when it comes to egregious damage, and it's far from the worst. PS- sorry, I'm not trying to be salty, but Guardian privilege is real. Edited February 9, 2023 by CalmTheStorm.2364 10 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 hours ago, quaniesan.8497 said: We have some serious sniper that can also smash you down in melee here in WvW. While I enjoy 8-9k Trueshoot on DH once in a while if they do crit, and by god, if it does hit, even then you gotta do quite some work to finish up the rest of the poor guy's HP bar. but these Gunflame berserk hit squads in WvW are getting out of hand. Guaranteed16k crit back to back , one hit to down you, next hit to finish you. One of these guys downed and finished my guardian within 5 seconds and I thought dragon tooth is already busted nowadays. It's a tough situation, if they gain distance on you for sniping, you are done. I have seen these gunflame spam since the past updates, but it really gets out of hand these days. Nerf it to the ground? no, but tone it down abit. It's a goddang Signet build buddy. Just run a reflect and enjoy your free bag. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Signet of might makes it unblockable (sshhhh) 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekent.3652 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Wow, my guy is really asking for nerfs on Berserker and the only good skill on rifle. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) I opened YouTube, and, without even looking for it, this was front and center on my feed: https://youtu.be/J01dkXKSDDY Edited February 9, 2023 by CalmTheStorm.2364 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Lol every time I fight gunflames, I look at their bar. When I don't see SoM or unblockable, it's safe to block/reflect. When I see either, I save my dodges. That's about it, I CC chain if needed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 When you get memed by a meme build you become the meme yourself. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) The patch that neuters Spellbreaker hasn't even hit and people already complain about other Warriors? Gunflame is fine. you need an entire Build dedicated to it as well as the enemy being glass to make it hit hard. It's a big investment on the Warrior's end and the mistake of running glass in WvW on the enemy's end. If it didn't hit hard under these conditions, THEN there'd be a an issue with it. Edited February 9, 2023 by Fueki.4753 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyrat.2378 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Did you play gunzerker? You should give it a serious try before you start calling for nerfs. It is extremely fragile and useless without someone babysitting you. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Now I want to meme out this weekend.... Brrr intensifies 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Now I want to meme out this weekend.... Brrr intensifies Did a bit today. Was boring asf. Enemies everywhere, no chance to run from everyone with ports, enemies also having a tempest in every corner. If anything Gunflame is heavily countered right now and quite easily so, more than other years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: Did a bit today. Was boring asf. Enemies everywhere, no chance to run from everyone with ports, enemies also having a tempest in every corner. If anything Gunflame is heavily countered right now and quite easily so, more than other years. Brr deflates *Kisses Rifle* I'm sorry old girl. Maybe next time... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryTiKaL.3125 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 For a moment I had to check the date on this post because I was like "Are we back in late 2015/early 2016?" No? Well then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukk.3492 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 3:15 AM, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: Just the other day, I got hit for 12k by leap of faith in PvP. Virtually NOTHING hits that hard in a single hit in PvP. And this is an attack that has a 1.25 coeff (so you know just how many mods must have been active), heals the player, AND blinds the target. Because, you know, balance. (As an aside, some buddies who run this build have seen numbers as high as 16k on this single skill). This skill is bugged. It is using the PvE co-efficient of 2.0 in WvW and PvP since Aug 2022. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esufer.8762 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 if anything, increase the damage on gunflame. if it's hitting you for 28k it doesn't matter if it's hitting you for 200k. let's get some truly awe inspiring one-shots out there. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 #GunFlameShouldBeThePvEDragonSlashOfPvP/WvW 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: #GunFlameShouldBeThePvEDragonSlashOfPvP/WvW Er Lan, I thought this movement was called #SayNoToRoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yasai.3549 said: Er Lan, I thought this movement was called #SayNoToRoot Well, yeah, but we can have multiple causes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esufer.8762 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: #GunFlameShouldBeThePvEDragonSlashOfPvP/WvW i think the first step would be to make dragon slash the dragon slash of pvp/wvw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, Esufer.8762 said: i think the first step would be to make dragon slash the dragon slash of pvp/wvw Lol, yep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Esufer.8762 said: i think the first step would be to make dragon slash the dragon slash of pvp/wvw I don't think that's possible, unless Arenanet gives Junksworn Evasion for the entire duration of charging bullets + the actual slashing. And I doubt that'll ever happen. Edited February 10, 2023 by Fueki.4753 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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