Since DE is on the weekly list

[Rauderi.8706]

Reminder that the Dragon's End meta is bad. The boss constantly flails through invuln-transit phases, not at specific HP% markers, but randomly. On a time-sensitive fight, that's a terrible idea. 

Why wasn't this fixed? I know the team was aware of it. 

 

And then there's just a billion mobs later in the fight, making it impossible to quickly target the boss. And of course, she's a monolith with a wonky hit box, so there's no clean way to know if she's even getting hit. The fight isn't readable in the slightest, and that's a huge problem when the CC burn is necessary to succeed. 

Also, commander folk, you can't just say "CC" and expect everyone to know what you're talking about. Many don't, and I can tell because those bars ain't breaking most of the time. Granted, they might if the soft CC skills did a proportional amount of Defiance damage so that they work while scaled up! If Weakness, Cripple, Immob, etc all did 1% per second instead of a tiny two-digit number out of the several thousand it gets when scaled up. 

I don't need "ezpz loot pinata" or whatever other slander goes around when this topic comes up, but I do need the fights to be fair and consistent. Dragon's End as a capstone meta is neither. 

[Eekasqueak.7850]

I like the actual fight but the pre-events are boring and take too long.

[Keymaster.7362]

Just a reminder, now that the most people know what to do, the meta can't technical fail anymore if you join a coordinated squad.

[Pyrin.2741]

20 minutes ago, Keymaster.7362 said:

Just a reminder, now that the most people know what to do, the meta can't technical fail anymore if you join a coordinated squad.

I literally just joined a coordinated squad and we failed, so this is objectively false.

At least change the weekly to grant whether you succeed or fail that final fight. We dedicated the time to trying. It already feels like a waste of time if you fail, now doubly so if it's a weekly.

[Batel.9206]

I just did this meta with a highly coordinated squad. We failed. My guild leader stated that she's done this meta repeatedly and has *never* seen it succeed even with many, many coordinated squads.

Aaaand it didn't award the 'completion' required for the weekly because we didn't win, so that was a few hours completely wasted.

[Vayne.8563]

57 minutes ago, Batel.9206 said:

I just did this meta with a highly coordinated squad. We failed. My guild leader stated that she's done this meta repeatedly and has *never* seen it succeed even with many, many coordinated squads.

Aaaand it didn't award the 'completion' required for the weekly because we didn't win, so that was a few hours completely wasted.

Last twenty times I've done this meta it succeeded. I probably haven't failed it in months. `If your guild leader has repeatedly done this and never succeeded, she needs to learn what to look for, but I'm calling kitten on it. It succeeds too many times a day, at all times of day, for someone to do it repeatedly and never seen it succeed.  I did it daily for weeks, at different times with different commanders and never saw it fail. 

I don't have an exact date for my last fail but it was months ago.

[Hesione.9412]

I'm in squads that purposely push for an empty map, so we don't get afkers. Afkers + people who just lie dead and don't respawn == meta failure. And, even there, apparently it's too much to expect players to realise that the health of one of the multiple bosses isn't going down by very much.

The organised squads I join kill at about the 8 min mark. But that's with organised subs (alac, quick) and many people who know what they're doing. Except the ones that can't look at the right side of their screens.

There is also waaaaaaaay too much visual noise during the end fight. People get caught out by her circular tidal wave and die. People get caught in whirlpools (c'mon Anet, those are hard to see between other players, mobs, their aoes, etc). Even good players can have problems.

[SamuelW.2685]

A year later when people know the fight, and power creep this bad we have classes doing almost 50k, and people are still failing DE's? Glad I avoid the meta, I knew it was bad but didn't think it was so bad a year later people can still fail regularly. 

[Vayne.8563]

Just now, SamuelW.2685 said:

A year later when people know the fight, and power creep this bad we have classes doing almost 50k, and people are still failing DE's? Glad I avoid the meta, I knew it was bad but didn't think it was so bad a year later people can still fail regularly. 

The exaggeration in this thread is off the hook, tbh. It doesn't fail as often as people are making it out to. I'm not saying it can't fail. I'm saying it doesn't fail often from my experience.

[vares.8457]

lol people still fail this meta? Haven’t seen it fail in ages and I used to do it a lot with an organized group.

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by vares.8457

[vares.8457]

4 hours ago, Pyrin.2741 said:

4 hours ago, Keymaster.7362 said:

 

I literally just joined a coordinated squad and we failed

Then it was really poorly coordinated. Maybe next time make a gear, LI or kp check to get rid of players who will likely underperform. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by vares.8457

[Dayra.7405]

This year I had 1 fail in around 30-40 lfg squads.

Thats easy enough, also for a weekly, but maybe the weekly attracted people without clue so it fails more till they learn it as well 😀

[Trejgon.9367]

When I had a weekly to murder some 100 void enemies, I went to DE in hope to find some events there, stumbled upon meta before I found enough kills, com lighted up tag, we barely had enough support, then comm fumbled composition by leaving all 5 alac providers in same subgroup, ignored the issue when it was pointed out, and we still won. No voice chat, no nothing, all tails were ignored, we had a number of chained switch attacks.

An yall want to make me believe that "highly coordinated squad" somehow fails to clear it? And that there are guild commanders whom have lead numerous attempts and never got it succeed?

[Pyrin.2741]

2 hours ago, Vayne.8563 said:

The exaggeration in this thread is off the hook, tbh. It doesn't fail as often as people are making it out to. I'm not saying it can't fail. I'm saying it doesn't fail often from my experience.

How is it exaggeration to say we tried it today and failed? The only exaggeration I see are the people claiming "it never fails" when our experiences are proof that it clearly does.

Just now, vares.8457 said:

Then it was really poorly coordinated. Make a gear, LI or kp check to get rid of players who will likely underperform. 

We did the pre events, were split into sub groups with boons, comm was making callouts, everyone was pulling their weight, and Soo-won decided to spend the last 5 min of the encounter swapping sides endlessly. And it's absurd to expect everyone on the map to be 100% top DPS, or even involved in the meta at all- it's an open world event. Seriously? You want kp for a meta? This isn't a raid. Anybody who's there has obviously played enough of the game to even make it there, that's the only experience that should be necessary.

[vares.8457]

4 minutes ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said:

An yall want to make me believe that "highly coordinated squad" somehow fails to clear it? And that there are guild commanders whom have lead numerous attempts and never got it succeed?

Yeah it is hard to believe. But maybe they have the worst players of the game in their squads 

The last time I saw it fail was maybe two weeks after EoD was released, since then I did it several times a week in a coordinated group and it was always a success and never failed. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by vares.8457

[Pyrin.2741]

idk, seems easier to believe than someone thinking they should ask for kp for an open world meta. And hey, you know what keep your elitism. I don't care if the meta fails or succeeds, as long as us losers get the weekly credit for trying.

[vares.8457]

Just now, Pyrin.2741 said:

idk, seems easier to believe than someone thinking they should ask for kp for an open world meta. And hey, you know what keep your elitism. I don't care if the meta fails or succeeds, as long as us losers get the weekly credit for trying.

You shouldn’t be rewarded for failing. 

[Juan.6124]

5 hours ago, Pyrin.2741 said:

I literally just joined a coordinated squad and we failed, so this is objectively false.

Na or eu?

[Juan.6124]

5 hours ago, Batel.9206 said:

I just did this meta with a highly coordinated squad. We failed. My guild leader stated that she's done this meta repeatedly and has *never* seen it succeed even with many, many coordinated squads.

Aaaand it didn't award the 'completion' required for the weekly because we didn't win, so that was a few hours completely wasted.

Na or eu?

Edited September 10, 2023 by DirtyDan.4759

[Cuks.8241]

It's my favourite one. But the downside is thats its too long so I don't do it as often.

Find a meta train that has it in its rotation and has good enough core that they just skip all the buff stacking and map prep and join the map just before the escorts. It only takes about 40 mins than. Very fun like that. But yeah the meta trains like that are limited.

[Hindenburg.3415]

6 hours ago, Batel.9206 said:

I just did this meta with a highly coordinated squad. We failed. My guild leader stated that she's done this meta repeatedly and has *never* seen it succeed even with many, many coordinated squads.

Aaaand it didn't award the 'completion' required for the weekly because we didn't win, so that was a few hours completely wasted.

I failed  maybe 2 times total

"never" seen it succeed ? Cmon this has to be a bait or troll post

Also DE is the only one meta that can be at least somewhat challenging.  Leave it as it is.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Hindenburg.3415

[Astralporing.1957]

5 hours ago, Vayne.8563 said:

Last twenty times I've done this meta it succeeded. I probably haven't failed it in months.

It started failing again since it appeared in weekly. I assume that a lot more people are now doing it, which brings the average quality of DE squads closer to, well, average. Which had immediate, negative impact on success chances.

[Vayne.8563]

8 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

It started failing again since it appeared in weekly. I assume that a lot more people are now doing it, which brings the average quality of DE squads closer to, well, average. Which had immediate, negative impact on success chances.

That's definitely possible.  I did it almost immediately the evening it came out (Australian time) and it was fine, though.

[Hesione.9412]

4 hours ago, SamuelW.2685 said:

A year later when people know the fight, and power creep this bad we have classes doing almost 50k, and people are still failing DE's? Glad I avoid the meta, I knew it was bad but didn't think it was so bad a year later people can still fail regularly. 

People in OW are not doing 50K dps.

[Dayra.7405]

8 minutes ago, Hesione.9412 said:

People in OW are not doing 50K dps.

Fortunately. The game would be broken easy otherwise.

I think I noticed already at Teq that average dps in meta participants strongly varies by times. Sunday afternoon seems to be worst. 😀

Edited September 10, 2023 by Dayra.7405