Do raids need easy/normal/hard difficulty mode? [merged]

Sariel.2143 · March 18, 2018

If you start with the easiest raids, practice your rotation and watch boss mechanics online your noobie friends should be fine.If you dont do anything to try , ofcourse you cant raid, you cant do anything without practice.

Jora.5471 · March 20, 2018

Arah was hard back then and even to this day, I couldn't find a group to play it. Luckily there was PvP that lets me get all the weapons and armor. If Arah had an easier mode, I could learn how to play Arah.

Fractals had difficulty tiers and it let me learned the Fractal. If T4 was the only mode, I would probably could never get into fractals because no one would let me join. They would demand that I have 10,000 Pristine Fractal relic before I could join a normal run.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493 · March 21, 2018

I'm in the camp that the difficulty of the content is itself the content. I don't raid, largely because I don't want to put up with the kind of people who do raids frequently, but the last thing I want is somebody to create an infantile mode for me. It almost seems... insulting.

belognom.3685 · March 28, 2018

I was thinking maybe we can have 'easy' mods for raids, with less damage and less rewards, where people can go actually try and learn. To have that progress in end-game content. Like any other game i played so far, there were 'normal' mods and 'hard' mods. Don't get me wrong I'm not asking for one shot bosses. I would like to see something else in LFG for raid but 'raid clearance' sellers. I wan't to log and go do the content with pugs from LFG. Learn the mech and decide if i ever wanna see the full version of the raid or not. I don't have that amount of free time to dedicate for planning and preparation and signing in for raids training 3rd part discords etc.This isn't only me. I'm in a big guild 2k members and event being in that guild there aren't many that have the time.No need to make 4 tiers like fractals. This shouldn't be much work (as afar as i understand in programming) several 'if' functions would get it done.

Forgive my english.

thrag.9740 · March 28, 2018

escort (wing 3) <-------- easy mode raidtriomursaat overseergorsevalsamarogcairnkeep constructslothvale guardianescort wing 5statues wing 5xerasabethamatthiasdeimossoulless horordhuum <-------- hard mode raid

thrag.9740 · March 28, 2018

I don't know how to delete double post....

Feanor.2358 · March 28, 2018

@"belognom.3685" said:I was thinking maybe we can have 'easy' mods for raids, with less damage and less rewards, where people can go actually try and learn. To have that progress in end-game content. Like any other game i played so far, there were 'normal' mods and 'hard' mods. Don't get me wrong I'm not asking for one shot bosses. I would like to see something else in LFG for raid but 'raid clearance' sellers. I wan't to log and go do the content with pugs from LFG. Learn the mech and decide if i ever wanna see the full version of the raid or not. I don't have that amount of free time to dedicate for planning and preparation and signing in for raids training 3rd part discords etc.This isn't only me. I'm in a big guild 2k members and event being in that guild there aren't many that have the time.No need to make 4 tiers like fractals. This shouldn't be much work (as afar as i understand in programming) several 'if' functions would get it done.
Forgive my english.

The topic has been brought before, and the official statement was more or less "no". The thing is, on an easy mode all you can learn is basics - dodging, teamplay, making yourself efficient under pressure. All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.

GrubySzymek.1362 · March 28, 2018

It's very unlikely to happen howevere the more people ask for this the bigger chance you can change ANet's ideas about raid content :)

Walhalla.5473 · March 28, 2018

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:It's very unlikely to happen howevere the more people ask for this the bigger chance you can change ANet's ideas about raid content :)

And the bigger the chance GW2 turns into a raid centric game.

GrubySzymek.1362 · March 28, 2018

@Walhalla.5473 said:
@"Kheldorn.5123" said:It's very unlikely to happen howevere the more people ask for this the bigger chance you can change ANet's ideas about raid content :)

And the bigger the chance GW2 turns into a raid centric game.

Without gear treadmill it's impossible. Also, the raiding community here makes it even easier to stop GW2 becoming raid centric game.

belognom.3685 · March 28, 2018

@Feanor.2358 said:
All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.

I'm doing Fractals, rarely doing 4 tho but i have done them, mostly t3s. See it's not planning I juts go with pugs from lfg. Now how is that gonna help me to get a raid done? Fractals mech are different from what i see on raid bosses on tube videos. General dodging? Alright, I think I can manage that.I wanna see the content, simle and I can't. Tho my toon is geared in ascended (wvw and raid) and has a good arsenal of ascended wepons.

But the game offered no progression whatsoever. Than content is close to me and that isn't nice. I done everything on my part, that i had to do, how I can go do raids?

P.S. I would like to state this again. I'm not asking for one shot bosses. Maybe less damage, perhaps 80% -85% of current one, so pugs won't be walking away from raids.

I'm in biggest guild 2k members only 2-3 person i know do raiding, rest are avoiding it as plague. Simply none has time for preparation and planning and dedicated time to go into raids for 4 hours.

Sephylon.4938 · March 28, 2018

Either start your own lfg, join training runs, or join a raid guild. Raider's inn and other raid training guilds are out there looking for people to get i to raids

Lunateric.3708 · March 28, 2018

I'm all in for an easy mode with zero rewards.

thrag.9740 · March 28, 2018

@belognom.3685 said:
@Feanor.2358 said:
All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.

I'm doing Fractals, rarely doing 4 tho but i have done them, mostly t3s. See it's not planning I juts go with pugs from lfg. Now how is that gonna help me to get a raid done? Fractals mech are different from what i see on raid bosses on tube videos. General dodging? Alright, I think I can manage that.I wanna see the content, simle and I can't. Tho my toon is geared in ascended (wvw and raid) and has a good arsenal of ascended wepons.

But the game offered no progression whatsoever. Than content is close to me and that isn't nice. I done everything on my part, that i had to do, how I can go do raids?

P.S. I would like to state this again. I'm not asking for one shot bosses. Maybe less damage, perhaps 80% -85% of current one, so pugs won't be walking away from raids.

I'm in biggest guild 2k members only 2-3 person i know do raiding, rest are avoiding it as plague. Simply none has time for preparation and planning and dedicated time to go into raids for 4 hours.

If you want to raid, just go raid. Nothing is stopping you, I posted the difficulty list up above. Start with escort work your way up. Look for lfg or make your own.

Have you even tried escort? Mursaat overseer?

Anet intentionally made many easy bosses, but every week or so we get complaints about how pug players can not even begin raiding. Raids are not stopping you from raiding, it is your own preconceived notions. Just because Anet didn't write in words, 'easy' at the start of escort mo and the like, doesn't mean they are equivalent to dhuum. Go try the easy raids, they are there for you right now.

Feanor.2358 · March 28, 2018

@belognom.3685 said:
@"Feanor.2358" said:
All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.

I'm doing Fractals, rarely doing 4 tho but i have done them, mostly t3s. See it's not planning I juts go with pugs from lfg. Now how is that gonna help me to get a raid done? Fractals mech are different from what i see on raid bosses on tube videos. General dodging? Alright, I think I can manage that.I wanna see the content, simle and I can't. Tho my toon is geared in ascended (wvw and raid) and has a good arsenal of ascended wepons.

But the game offered no progression whatsoever. Than content is close to me and that isn't nice. I done everything on my part, that i had to do, how I can go do raids?

P.S. I would like to state this again. I'm not asking for one shot bosses. Maybe less damage, perhaps 80% -85% of current one, so pugs won't be walking away from raids.

I'm in biggest guild 2k members only 2-3 person i know do raiding, rest are avoiding it as plague. Simply none has time for preparation and planning and dedicated time to go into raids for 4 hours.

That's like asking "why are dungeons 5-man, I want to see the content solo". Because that's was the original idea. The game gives exactly the same requirement for anyone. If you're not doing the content, seek the problem in yourself, not the game.

Cerioth.7062 · March 28, 2018

Samarog is like the easiest boss ever as long as you are capable of CCing. Apart from that the boss mechanics are very forgiving and easy to see.

Tarasicodissa.7084 · March 28, 2018

@belognom.3685 said:....This shouldn't be much work (as afar as i understand in programming) several 'if' functions would get it done.I wish somebody said that sooner. Here was Arenanet, spending months to develop even the tiniest features of their game, taking weeks to fix seemingly simple bugs, when all along, they could have just used several 'if' functions. Game development was never so easy. Bravo, sir, bravo.

Talindra.4958 · March 29, 2018

I don't want to be evil witch here.. but if raid going to have easy mode, it's should give zero reward or diff currency.

Talindra.4958 · March 29, 2018

@thrag.9740 said:escort (wing 3) <-------- easy mode raidtriomursaat overseergorsevalsamarogcairnkeep constructslothvale guardianescort wing 5statues wing 5xerasabethamatthiasdeimossoulless horordhuum <-------- hard mode raid

Id say for me easy (1) to hard (5)

1) Trio w2, Escort w32) Mursaat, cairns, samarog3) Gorse, KC, sloth, w5 statues4) VG, Sabetha, Deimos, w5 escort.5) Xera, Matthias, w5 SH, Dhuum

Honestly i hate SH.. Usually need at least two or three pull. this week we spent more than 20 mins or half hour on it.. Really frustrating. The only time I like it was at the cm..we done it with more than 3 mins left.. And was only three pulls with that group xD (lucky). I don't really understand how the size of wall works. We (everyone) stack pretty much in mid all the time and our dps was not bad. I don't know .. I don't like it that much. When it was new yeah.. Now just annoying :p and so many effects too happen together maybe because of me lagging. Not saying its a bad map/boss. Just not my fav.

GrubySzymek.1362 · March 29, 2018

@Feanor.2358 said:
@belognom.3685 said:
@Feanor.2358 said:
All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.

I'm doing Fractals, rarely doing 4 tho but i have done them, mostly t3s. See it's not planning I juts go with pugs from lfg. Now how is that gonna help me to get a raid done? Fractals mech are different from what i see on raid bosses on tube videos. General dodging? Alright, I think I can manage that.I wanna see the content, simle and I can't. Tho my toon is geared in ascended (wvw and raid) and has a good arsenal of ascended wepons.

But the game offered no progression whatsoever. Than content is close to me and that isn't nice. I done everything on my part, that i had to do, how I can go do raids?

P.S. I would like to state this again. I'm not asking for one shot bosses. Maybe less damage, perhaps 80% -85% of current one, so pugs won't be walking away from raids.

I'm in biggest guild 2k members only 2-3 person i know do raiding, rest are avoiding it as plague. Simply none has time for preparation and planning and dedicated time to go into raids for 4 hours.

That's like asking "why are dungeons 5-man, I want to see the content solo". Because that's was the original idea. The game gives exactly the same requirement for anyone. If you're not doing the content, seek the problem in yourself, not the game.

You need to take into consideration that biggest gate for raiding is its "community" :)

Game puts requirement in terms of content mechanics and timer however it's the "community" that stricts the content beyond proportions.

Henry.5713 · March 29, 2018

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:
@Feanor.2358 said:
@belognom.3685 said:
@Feanor.2358 said:
All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.

I'm doing Fractals, rarely doing 4 tho but i have done them, mostly t3s. See it's not planning I juts go with pugs from lfg. Now how is that gonna help me to get a raid done? Fractals mech are different from what i see on raid bosses on tube videos. General dodging? Alright, I think I can manage that.I wanna see the content, simle and I can't. Tho my toon is geared in ascended (wvw and raid) and has a good arsenal of ascended wepons.

But the game offered no progression whatsoever. Than content is close to me and that isn't nice. I done everything on my part, that i had to do, how I can go do raids?

P.S. I would like to state this again. I'm not asking for one shot bosses. Maybe less damage, perhaps 80% -85% of current one, so pugs won't be walking away from raids.

I'm in biggest guild 2k members only 2-3 person i know do raiding, rest are avoiding it as plague. Simply none has time for preparation and planning and dedicated time to go into raids for 4 hours.

That's like asking "why are dungeons 5-man, I want to see the content solo". Because that's was the original idea. The game gives exactly the same requirement for anyone. If you're not doing the content, seek the problem in yourself, not the game.

You need to take into consideration that biggest gate for raiding is its "community" :)

Game puts requirement in terms of content mechanics and timer however it's the "community" that stricts the content beyond proportions.

The community is truely an issue here. Don't forget about those who actually gate themselves from raids by not even trying them once or by completely refusing to listen to the many helpful voices I see on a regular basis. It is indeed so much easier to just blame everyone but yourself for your problems.

GrubySzymek.1362 · March 29, 2018

@Henry.5713 said:
@"Kheldorn.5123" said:
@Feanor.2358 said:
@belognom.3685 said:
@Feanor.2358 said:
All these you can learn in other instanced content the game features - the Fractals of the Mists. The actual mechanics you can't learn from a relaxed version, just like you can't learn how to play CM fractals from playing their normal-mode counterparts. The pressure is much different so you need to practice on the real thing.