Time to return some damage to CC skills?

[Riba.3271]

New cool weapons like Guardian off-hand Pistol are being ruined by the fact that CC skills deal 0 damage. It will never be viable as it is.

Not hoping for them to deal full damage, but maybe half of what they would have done in the past.

[babana.7521]

2 hours ago, Riba.3271 said:

New cool weapons like Guardian off-hand Pistol are being ruined by the fact that CC skills deal 0 damage. It will never be viable as it is.

Not hoping for them to deal full damage, but maybe half of what they would have done in the past.

Guardian doesn't have pistol in the past.

[Riba.3271]

6 minutes ago, babana.7521 said:

Guardian doesn't have pistol in the past.

No, but CC skills did damage in the past. So for newer skills you take the damage the skill would deal in the past (% of pve value?), then half it.

[Remus Darkblight.1673]

5 hours ago, Riba.3271 said:

No, but CC skills did damage in the past. So for newer skills you take the damage the skill would deal in the past (% of pve value?), then half it.

I think what they meant was Pistol didn't exist in the past so the CC skills on it would be designed with the current balance in mind. You may not agree with that, but that's how it is.

[Riba.3271]

6 minutes ago, Remus Darkblight.1673 said:

5 hours ago, Riba.3271 said:

No, but CC skills did damage in the past. So for newer skills you take the damage the skill would deal in the past (% of pve value?), then half it.

I think what they meant was Pistol didn't exist in the past so the CC skills on it would be designed with the current balance in mind. You may not agree with that, but that's how it is.

Well, sure, you're probably right if off-hand pistol will see any play in WvW.

Unfortunately, everyone who actually tried it knows that it won't. And no, it wasn't designed "for the WvW playerbase" which is probably less than 5% of the games playerbase.

[Remus Darkblight.1673]

4 minutes ago, Riba.3271 said:

Well, sure, you're probably right if off-hand pistol will see any play in WvW.

Unfortunately, everyone who actually tried it knows that it won't. And no, it wasn't designed "for the WvW playerbase" which is probably less than 5% of the games playerbase.

I'm not saying it was designed for the WvW playerbase, but that it was designed in an environment where CC skills do no damage in competitive. They knew going into the design process that it would be the case so you can only assume that the weapon is balanced around that fact. Whether they have actually done so or not, or if you agree with said balancing is another matter entirely.

[Razi.6031]

Guardian's pistol 5 is not going to be worth the effort fiddling with its mechanics just for cc and tiny damage in competitive.

I'd rather they remove the cc and leave the damage for wvw/pvp,  maybe add slow or immob instead.

As it is the offhand will only be seeing pistol 4 being used for the combo then swap to another set.

The funny thing is it was clearly designed as a hard hitting skill with cc attached to it. Not a cc skill with damage added. How did they not foresee this....?

[TheGrimm.5624]

56 minutes ago, Razi.6031 said:

Guardian's pistol 5 is not going to be worth the effort fiddling with its mechanics just for cc and tiny damage in competitive.

I'd rather they remove the cc and leave the damage for wvw/pvp,  maybe add slow or immob instead.

As it is the offhand will only be seeing pistol 4 being used for the combo then swap to another set.

The funny thing is it was clearly designed as a hard hitting skill with cc attached to it. Not a cc skill with damage added. How did they not foresee this....?

Riba and others have another link to feedback on new skills, would add it to those as well if you can since the pistols are a beta skill.

[Aeolus.3615]

Time to return some damage to CC skills?

IMO that should be on of the warrior specializations tho and no other class should have access to it

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Give Backbreaker a 1.0 modifier. 

[joneirikb.7506]

3 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Give Backbreaker a 1.0 modifier. 

1 back broken per use of the skill ?

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

44 minutes ago, joneirikb.7506 said:

1 back broken per use of the skill ?

So... 10.0 modifiers then?

[joneirikb.7506]

7 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

So... 10.0 modifiers then?

I'm not sure that's enough to break the back of a ministrel scourge ?

[Arianth Moonlight.6453]

hell no.

[kash.9213]

That's a lot of tight balancing. I compound most of my Control skills with life leech and other modifiers. 

[cyberzombie.7348]

Also another thing to consider is how backwards hand-to-hand attacks are. This is the only game I know where punches deals far more damage than kicks, with willbender being the only exception.

[Jobber.6348]

What do you guys think about CC skills being given a static unchangeable amount of damage or a damage cap? For example a simple knockdown skill can deal up to 1000 damage max and not more than that. It's still like 980 more damage than a funny haha 20 damage boop on the head.