Leo G.4501 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 @Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedek.8932 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 @Leo G.4501 said:The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.Don't you think the latter is for a reason?I mean, as you just listed, in realm of MMOs (100% fictional), any designer could squeeze in bird characters into because, as you mentioned, they are fantasy realms. What stops them from doing so then? Any developer has opportunity to design bird characters for MMORPGs. But there are none. The last bird people I saw is in League of Legends, but they bring their own attacks and skills. Could not imagine a Thief Tengu or such thing. It's most likely other reasons why developers refrain from bird-like characters: Maybe because they can not talk (no lips), or they are just ridiculous (I could not take them serious), or that it's not convincing to hand them all the available weapons in a game, at least with the current design or even their lore would disallow to use regular weapons or lore problems in general. Not to mention they are not quite humanoid. How would shoes work on them?! Or headgear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo G.4501 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 @Zedek.8932 said:@Leo G.4501 said:The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.Don't you think the latter is for a reason?I mean, as you just listed, in realm of MMOs (100% fictional), any designer could squeeze in bird characters into because, as you mentioned, they are fantasy realms. What stops them from doing so then? Any developer has opportunity to design bird characters for MMORPGs. But there are none. The last bird people I saw is in League of Legends, but they bring their own attacks and skills. Could not imagine a Thief Tengu or such thing. It's most likely other reasons why developers refrain from bird-like characters: Maybe because they can not talk (no lips), or they are just ridiculous (I could not take them serious), or that it's not convincing to hand them all the available weapons in a game, at least with the current design or even their lore would disallow to use regular weapons or lore problems in general. Not to mention they are not quite humanoid. How would shoes work on them?! Or headgear?Birds have no problem mimicing human speech without lips.That part isn't ridiculous.As for shoes and headgear, you'd have to be particularly uncreative to allow such a thing to become a substantial obstacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @Leo G.4501 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.If you read previous quotes you will see the one I reply to say this and thats why I reply to them the way I do.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @Linken.6345 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.If you read previous quotes you will see the one I reply to say this and thats why I reply to them the way I do.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.I like the tengu, but they bring no more unique or new gameplay than would kodan, or some of the other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 from dev perspective, new race is not financially feasible, they need to rework the existing hundreds of armor skins, create a brand new personal story, only as an eye candy for players to play few hours? I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to work on it if you can pay their employees' wages for a yearthe idea of Elite Specialisation is a way to reduce the need to create new classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArbiterofTruth.2390 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @Ashen.2907 said:@Linken.6345 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.If you read previous quotes you will see the one I reply to say this and thats why I reply to them the way I do.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.I like the tengu, but they bring no more unique or new gameplay than would kodan, or some of the other options.Why does a race need to bring some unique gameplay? None of the current races have special gameplay or anything and it would be bad to start making races that have unique gameplay because it would cause a lot of issues with the existing races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @ArbiterofTruth.2390 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@Linken.6345 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.If you read previous quotes you will see the one I reply to say this and thats why I reply to them the way I do.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.I like the tengu, but they bring no more unique or new gameplay than would kodan, or some of the other options.Why does a race need to bring some unique gameplay? None of the current races have special gameplay or anything and it would be bad to start making races that have unique gameplay because it would cause a lot of issues with the existing races.I didnt say that a race needed to bring unique gameplay. I responded to someone else who commented on the advantages of tengu in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArbiterofTruth.2390 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @Ashen.2907 said:@ArbiterofTruth.2390 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@Linken.6345 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.If you read previous quotes you will see the one I reply to say this and thats why I reply to them the way I do.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.I like the tengu, but they bring no more unique or new gameplay than would kodan, or some of the other options.Why does a race need to bring some unique gameplay? None of the current races have special gameplay or anything and it would be bad to start making races that have unique gameplay because it would cause a lot of issues with the existing races.I didnt say that a race needed to bring unique gameplay. I responded to someone else who commented on the advantages of tengu in that regard.My mistake. I meant to respond to them as instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix.5819 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @mercury ranique.2170 said:New race means that all armor skins have to be re-done. A new personal story has to be created m together with a home town and a new starter zone, they need to re-record all lines the player speaks in all 5 languages for both sexes. This is a huge amount of resources, pulling them away from releasing other new content that is much easier to deliver. So given the amount of work, it’s not worth it.If they were going to add a new race at this point, it would be the center of the expansion and probably start at 80, or alternatively a low level expansion. They may or may not have a home city like the current ones, since it'd probably double as one of the maps, like the cities in PoF. The simple solution to older content is that it takes place in the past, so while you're playing it, you become the commander. They wouldn't have a personal story exactly, just enough to introduce them. Their main story would double as the expansion's story, quickly merging both sides like in GW1. To be able to slot this new race into the overall story however, they'd either need to break up the current team, or have the commander die, with this new character put in a position where they save the rest of the team and fall into the role of boss.The only actual problems are armor and voices. Armor is easier to avoid, as long as the race can be based on an existing one. Largos for example are already done, since they share the human body. The only way to avoid voices however is to mod an existing one, or make a race that doesn't need one, like a shifter or telepath. I doubt ArenaNet would want to go the cheap route however, so a new race is highly unlikely because of these two, since they'd forever increase the development costs. If they just wanted to throw in a new useless race however, they could have had the commander turn awakened in PoF for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamazuki.6073 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Adding a new race would appeal to a very small number of people, it would have no value at all once the whole "shiny new" is gone. Comparing GW2 to WoW is also silly, Blizzard is an extreme giant while ArenaNet is even smaller than an ant. Anytime Blizzard gambles (and loses) on what content to produce they lose more than what ArenaNet would gain from a positive decision. When you have too much money it gives you some freedom to take risks or intentionally make decisions that are a loss for future satisfaction. This is how Amazon got big, it is how Riot got big, etc; but all these businesses were given massive investments to do so, this is something ArenaNet clearly isn't getting or they wouldn't be as small as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arzurag.7506 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Wait for GW3, there the devs have the chance to implement way more races from the get go.Otherwise anything like new races is not gonna happen anytime soon.Or maybe they manage to surprise us all and implement a new races for the next expansion, who knows for sure ?^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoGunner.4953 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I often read they have 'too few resources', 'too many skins to re-do'. People should think outside of the box. There are numerous ways to circumvent this. Either you just don't give them a vast amount of old skins and/or you give them some race specific skins only for this race. Problem solved.Also this 'too few resources' argument which tenaciously never goes away is imho a zero-argument which btw anet never really stated (i.e. Mount 'beating dead horse'). If they wanna do it they do it. The main argument why they don't do it is that besides flavour a race doesn't bring a lot of new stuff. It's just flavour and compared to Blizzard Anet is small.Same with voice lines, they could circumvent story stuff etc. See Pandaren in WoW which have a retconned story on a secluded island and enter the original maps later etc.Oh and one last argument about WoW which I read often: the crafics is 10 years old yadda yadda yadda: no they updated it with the Warlords of Draenor expansion two years ago. Additionally, since about Lich King in 2008 the skins are sometimes pretty complex - especially Raid skins which are different on every race similar to Anet's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 @ArbiterofTruth.2390 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@ArbiterofTruth.2390 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@Linken.6345 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:@Linken.6345 said:@MetalAssault.7906 said:WoW geting ''new races'' like crazy for what? They have no idea how to write a proper story now, they will abandon the new races once the expansion and hype is over to get almost 0 development or protagonism like they have been doing for years. Hype doesn't make a good MMO, quality gameplay, community and story does. Quality over quantity.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.Tengu are like all the others tho, pretty generic and dont bring anything really new to the game.They are compared to what other people propose, like it or not.Say what now?Can you elaborate abit more on how you think Tengu are any diffrent than any other race when it comes to the spirit of worth and bringing anything new to the game?Spirit of worth? As in concept?One of the great things about Sylvari are their colorfulness and bioluminescence although the last part could certainly be emphasized more. Their planty-ness, from personal experience on the forums, is often times a turn-off for players. I'm merely indifferent in that regards.I feel the Asura's appeal comes with their animations as well as their size and demenor. I personally like their ears and teeth but others might enjoy them less.Charr are infamous for their armor clipping, their hunched posture, their size and their 4-legged run. I personally enjoy all those aspects of Charr and don't think the clipping is that detrimental if you just avoid certain skins.The Tengu would have the colorfulness of a Sylvari (possibly moreso), lack the size, posture and 4-legged run of the Charr, and present a varied demenor from the other races currently sort of like the Asura does. And some people like birds and in the realm of MMOs, where you can play cat people, lolis, lizards, orcs/goblins/elves, werewolves, etc, it's pretty rare to get the opportunity to design a bird character.If you read previous quotes you will see the one I reply to say this and thats why I reply to them the way I do.The only race that GW2 should get (and it's wroth) are Tengus because they can bring a breath of fresh air, with one is enough for a long time. All of the others are pretty generic and don't bring nothing really new to the game to make them playable.I like the tengu, but they bring no more unique or new gameplay than would kodan, or some of the other options.Why does a race need to bring some unique gameplay? None of the current races have special gameplay or anything and it would be bad to start making races that have unique gameplay because it would cause a lot of issues with the existing races.I didnt say that a race needed to bring unique gameplay. I responded to someone else who commented on the advantages of tengu in that regard.My mistake. I meant to respond to them as instead.If you read the full quote history as i already said its MetalAssault.7906 who said that tengu somehow bring something fresh and are worth to bring into the game of all the other races.Im just curious what that thing would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DruidMan.6719 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 To all of you saying NO to Centaurs...look at the long-since-dead MMO, Shadowbane.... It had Centaurs as a playable race!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @"Lancaeron.1524" said:To all of you saying NO to Centaurs...look at the long-since-dead MMO, Shadowbane.... It had Centaurs as a playable race!!!If you want to use another game's example to justify the addition....probably a good idea to NOT use one that can be described as, "long-since-dead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo G.4501 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @Ashen.2907 said:@"Lancaeron.1524" said:To all of you saying NO to Centaurs...look at the long-since-dead MMO, Shadowbane.... It had Centaurs as a playable race!!!If you want to use another game's example to justify the addition....probably a good idea to NOT use one that can be described as, "long-since-dead."It's not justification, it's proof that it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @Leo G.4501 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@"Lancaeron.1524" said:To all of you saying NO to Centaurs...look at the long-since-dead MMO, Shadowbane.... It had Centaurs as a playable race!!!If you want to use another game's example to justify the addition....probably a good idea to NOT use one that can be described as, "long-since-dead."It's not justification, it's proof that it can be done.Yes, and when your only listed proof is a failure it does not do a good job of proving anything.I am not opposed, would be willing to spend money on additional race options in fact, but that particular attempt was a bit off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo G.4501 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @Ashen.2907 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@"Lancaeron.1524" said:To all of you saying NO to Centaurs...look at the long-since-dead MMO, Shadowbane.... It had Centaurs as a playable race!!!If you want to use another game's example to justify the addition....probably a good idea to NOT use one that can be described as, "long-since-dead."It's not justification, it's proof that it can be done.Yes, and when your only listed proof is a failure it does not do a good job of proving anything.I am not opposed, would be willing to spend money on additional race options in fact, but that particular attempt was a bit off.That the game died doesn't disprove that it was done.4+4= 8 was on my math test. Just because I failed my math test doesn't mean that 4+4 doesn't equal 8.EDIT: FYI, the argument against a centaur race is that various cosmetic and animation limitations means it can't be done. If all you have to prove is that it can be done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @ProtoGunner.4953 said:I often read they have 'too few resources', 'too many skins to re-do'. People should think outside of the box. There are numerous ways to circumvent this. Either you just don't give them a vast amount of old skins and/or you give them some race specific skins only for this race. Problem solved.that is precisely the point, if anet only do a few, it will open up pandora's box, people will whine about not enough skins, after all it's Fashion Wars 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @Leo G.4501 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@Leo G.4501 said:@Ashen.2907 said:@"Lancaeron.1524" said:To all of you saying NO to Centaurs...look at the long-since-dead MMO, Shadowbane.... It had Centaurs as a playable race!!!If you want to use another game's example to justify the addition....probably a good idea to NOT use one that can be described as, "long-since-dead."It's not justification, it's proof that it can be done.Yes, and when your only listed proof is a failure it does not do a good job of proving anything.I am not opposed, would be willing to spend money on additional race options in fact, but that particular attempt was a bit off.That the game died doesn't disprove that it was done.4+4= 8 was on my math test. Just because I failed my math test doesn't mean that 4+4 doesn't equal 8.EDIT: FYI, the argument against a centaur race is that various cosmetic and animation limitations means it can't be done. If all you have to prove is that it can be done...I never said that it wasnt done, nor that the game dying means that it wasnt done.I did say that using a game that failed as an example of anything is a bit off if you are going to try presenting something that it did as a good thing.To quote the individual I quoted initially, "...all of you saying NO to centaurs..." This is not a comment about people claiming that centaurs can't be done, it is a comment about people saying no to centaurs.Of course centaurs could be programmed into the game...they already are.The argument was made that a game that failed had centaurs. Using failure as an argument to support something is a bit off.You, hypothetically of course-this is not intended to be a personal attack, failing your math class does not make 4+4 other than 8, it does mean that you might not be the best example to use when discussing math. Just like a failed MMO might not be the best example when discussing ways to succeed at making MMOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoGunner.4953 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @crepuscular.9047 said:@ProtoGunner.4953 said:I often read they have 'too few resources', 'too many skins to re-do'. People should think outside of the box. There are numerous ways to circumvent this. Either you just don't give them a vast amount of old skins and/or you give them some race specific skins only for this race. Problem solved.that is precisely the point, if anet only do a few, it will open up pandora's box, people will whine about not enough skins, after all it's Fashion Wars 2Sure, there are always people who will complain, but ultimately you have to go a way which results in the least complaining. I am not sure whether this is the right way, but at least it's an effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @ProtoGunner.4953 said:@crepuscular.9047 said:@ProtoGunner.4953 said:I often read they have 'too few resources', 'too many skins to re-do'. People should think outside of the box. There are numerous ways to circumvent this. Either you just don't give them a vast amount of old skins and/or you give them some race specific skins only for this race. Problem solved.that is precisely the point, if anet only do a few, it will open up pandora's box, people will whine about not enough skins, after all it's Fashion Wars 2Sure, there are always people who will complain, but ultimately you have to go a way which results in the least complaining. I am not sure whether this is the right way, but at least it's an effort.the right way would be not creating new race, spend those time creating new skins for gem store so we can fund them for the next expansion ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo G.4501 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @crepuscular.9047 said:@ProtoGunner.4953 said:@crepuscular.9047 said:@ProtoGunner.4953 said:I often read they have 'too few resources', 'too many skins to re-do'. People should think outside of the box. There are numerous ways to circumvent this. Either you just don't give them a vast amount of old skins and/or you give them some race specific skins only for this race. Problem solved.that is precisely the point, if anet only do a few, it will open up pandora's box, people will whine about not enough skins, after all it's Fashion Wars 2Sure, there are always people who will complain, but ultimately you have to go a way which results in the least complaining. I am not sure whether this is the right way, but at least it's an effort.the right way would be not creating new race, spend those time creating new skins for gem store so we can fund them for the next expansion ;)I'd call that complacency. Expecting to just pile on more flashy skins to unlock and expecting people to just keep buying into it.Saying that that is the right way would be like saying the devs should have just kept releasing unlimited gathering tools and keep raking in money. No, that's complacency. Instead, they looked at ways to enhance the wardrobe system and add functionality to it to facilitate players buying more of the tools.I'm not going to say making new races is the "right" way, but just pushing out more and more skins without any other considerations to expand features isn't the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 @Leo G.4501 said:@crepuscular.9047 said:@ProtoGunner.4953 said:@crepuscular.9047 said:@ProtoGunner.4953 said:I often read they have 'too few resources', 'too many skins to re-do'. People should think outside of the box. There are numerous ways to circumvent this. Either you just don't give them a vast amount of old skins and/or you give them some race specific skins only for this race. Problem solved.that is precisely the point, if anet only do a few, it will open up pandora's box, people will whine about not enough skins, after all it's Fashion Wars 2Sure, there are always people who will complain, but ultimately you have to go a way which results in the least complaining. I am not sure whether this is the right way, but at least it's an effort.the right way would be not creating new race, spend those time creating new skins for gem store so we can fund them for the next expansion ;)I'd call that complacency. Expecting to just pile on more flashy skins to unlock and expecting people to just keep buying into it.Saying that that is the right way would be like saying the devs should have just kept releasing unlimited gathering tools and keep raking in money. No, that's complacency. Instead, they looked at ways to enhance the wardrobe system and add functionality to it to facilitate players buying more of the tools.I'm not going to say making new races is the "right" way, but just pushing out more and more skins without any other considerations to expand features isn't the right way.a new race isn't a feature, it's cosmetic, just like new skins, but with no monetary attach to it; it will have additional maintenance cost attached to it.say it takes 1 day to create and tweak a skin to make it pretty for a race's male + female variation, it will take 5 days for the current 5 races, throwing in extra race mean for every new skin they release in the future it will cost them 1 extra day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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