DonArkanio.6419 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Hey there,I am curious what you guys think.Vigor increases endurance regeneration by 50%.Do you think Vigor overall is healthy for the PvP as it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 It is fine if it was a rare boon, at the very least as rare as stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 New forum meta is to complains about literally everything. But then I guess that isn't really new just being brought to higher levels everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Do u think skills that force a players skills into CD healthy or chaining that with imobilizes and dazes lol. This games list goes so far beyond vigor lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Is it okay idea as boon? Yes. Having close to 100% on some builds is a no. PvP should not be evade spam wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 as otto said 100% uptime to this isn't okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Boons were not originally designed to be 100% uptime buffs which is the main issue. High uptime on might, protection, stability, retal etc is bad for pvp, but low uptime allows for interesting gameplay. The only boon that i think doesnt belong in pvp at all is quickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Vigor is the biggest functional dead-end in GW2, because of how utterly worthless basic dodge is in the PvP landscape, and in how it serves no other purpose other than Endurance regeneration. Considering how it's possible to just gain raw units of Endurance, the existence of Vigor is entirely questionable. You'd be better off just deleting Vigor from the game, culling evades and blocks from all of the offensive abilities on weapon bars, and then giving everyone 200 Endurance along with certain utility or trait options which allow players to actively gain Endurance or grant Endurance to allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroSummonsMors.7816 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Yes but only if was given to classes with no traits of endurance regeneration and low access to dodge. The point i'm trying to make is: that you should not power creep classes with a lot of active defences with vigor because it just leads to spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 In the core game vigor was twice as strong as it is now and many classes had minor traits that granted close to 50% uptime on crit. It was reduced to 50% endurance regeneration in 2015 in the same patch that prepared us all for the shape of things to come. The signs were there people [waves arms around like a lunatic] WE DIDN'T LISTEN!! AAAAAAGGHHHH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Holos having100% uptime on vigor with 1 trait isn't okay. Even with all the vigor nerfs to mesmer, they still have permanent vigor with chaos and staff.It should be rare, not spamable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The boon is fine. Problem builds have too much access to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:Holos having100% uptime on vigor with 1 trait isn't okay. Even with all the vigor nerfs to mesmer, they still have permanent vigor with chaos and staff.It should be rare, not spamablethe difference is that to get close to perma vigor as mesmer you get 3-4 traits and a healing skill for it. its fine if you invest this much to get it.its not fine when holo gets it for free permanently.same thing with thief, 1 trait in acro gives permavigor ( 5s on evade ) meanwhile other classes get several traits and cant even get it to last that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nath Forge Tempete.1645 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 It's fine when it's the only way to get more endurance and not abusing it... Mirage was an outlier here ! not because of the boon itself but its access to it and the synergy with the runes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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