Virdo.1540 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I was just wondering, why the revenant is so incredibly weak in pvp compared to the other gamemodes.It not like the Rev is overpowered in PvE, nor in WvW... it has an chance against other classes, but nothing moreand in pvp its like that. it does almost half of the damage it normally does, almost Every skill & every trait got weakened in pvp. Its like a completely new class, but crappier... even the widehits does almost half of the damage it should.it already has an enormous difference between PvE and WvW (wvw alot weaker) , why is there another enormous nerf between WvW and PvP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Should ask in the spvp forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I was today thinking the same. I roam in wvw with shield, rest is classic shiro glint meta build, an in wvw i dont have problem to deal dmg+shield is good vs condi, but in pvp holy molly it is so weak, without offhand sword no dmg, lot of traites are overnerfed so taking them is complete waste.In this, wvw is much better, you can make your own builds work, im often running with jalis/glint for example and i have no problem with might. While still taking other traits for utility or defense, but 1 stack of might for 5 sec after using legend skill is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen.1327 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Rev is meta in pvp dunno why you think its weakIt has had several metas where 2x rev is best to pick and you still see it often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 @Koen.1327 said:Rev is meta in pvp dunno why you think its weakIt has had several metas where 2x rev is best to pick and you still see it oftenwell due to its incredible low damage, its total crap in 1vs1 ... all it can really do is giving some boons, that everyone else can give too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosleepdemon.1368 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 @nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosleepdemon.1368 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 @Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobaniec.9561 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 And they still cry about rev dmg despite the fact that even in pve its one of the lowest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 @nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 @Scoobaniec.9561 said:And they still cry about rev dmg despite the fact that even in pve its one of the lowestye crappy damage and crap support in pve too. Even worse in WvW and a whole worse level of crap in PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 @Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either.Staff 5 is absolutely amazing in pve(raids/fractals) for the cc break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 @Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either.with no might :smile: I can hit 10k with warrior hammer F1 without any might and i Can hit for 10k with sw4 and 25 might on rev...Warrior have lower CD 8vs15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 @Catchyfx.5768 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either.with no might :smile: I can hit 10k with warrior hammer F1 without any might and i Can hit for 10k with sw4 and 25 might on rev...Warrior have lower CD 8vs15to that rev is way squishier and warrior f1 is almost impossible to be predicted if it comes, while Rev S4 got soooo slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 @Virdo.1540 said:@Catchyfx.5768 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either.with no might :smile: I can hit 10k with warrior hammer F1 without any might and i Can hit for 10k with sw4 and 25 might on rev...Warrior have lower CD 8vs15to that rev is way squishier and warrior f1 is almost impossible to be predicted if it comes, while Rev S4 got soooo slowPower shiro is very strong in pvp. It sounds like you are just complaining and dont understand the role of the build. Power shiro is a +1 and teamfight build, not a 1v1 duelist, but even then they are very capable in skilled hands. Complaining about pve/pvp splits and claiming warrior has none just shows your ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@Catchyfx.5768 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either.with no might :smile: I can hit 10k with warrior hammer F1 without any might and i Can hit for 10k with sw4 and 25 might on rev...Warrior have lower CD 8vs15to that rev is way squishier and warrior f1 is almost impossible to be predicted if it comes, while Rev S4 got soooo slowPower shiro is very strong in pvp. It sounds like you are just complaining and dont understand the role of the build. Power shiro is a +1 and teamfight build, not a 1v1 duelist, but even then they are very capable in skilled hands. Complaining about pve/pvp splits and claiming warrior has none just shows your ignorance.I know the role, but that is telling something about the class. If i pick meta shiroglint dual seord yeah it work, take shield and you are useless, but in wvw roaming shield is good. Here we can use multiple builds in pvp only 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 @Catchyfx.5768 said:@Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@Catchyfx.5768 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:@Virdo.1540 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Honest question, as I haven't done spvp for a while (i prefer wvw and fractals) - how do the other professions stack up? Like if you play a Warrior in WvW/PvE, does it also feel much weaker in spvp?its like the same in Pve&WvW and only a little bit weaker in pvp, while rev has every skill tuned (even up to (pve)100%more damage than in WvW, Pvp even weaker)warrior is one of the classes which doesnt get weaker at all. ANets favourite child, like many love to sayYeah what the hell, the damage on e.g. Precision Strike is more or less halved in spvp according to gw2skills, hundred blades on the other hand is like 80% effective. Trolol. Rev OP!for example, Warrior Gs f1 is still able to hit for over 12k with ease, while Rev Staff 5 gets even less than 40% of its pve damage. Its not even useful to use in pve either.with no might :smile: I can hit 10k with warrior hammer F1 without any might and i Can hit for 10k with sw4 and 25 might on rev...Warrior have lower CD 8vs15to that rev is way squishier and warrior f1 is almost impossible to be predicted if it comes, while Rev S4 got soooo slowPower shiro is very strong in pvp. It sounds like you are just complaining and dont understand the role of the build. Power shiro is a +1 and teamfight build, not a 1v1 duelist, but even then they are very capable in skilled hands. Complaining about pve/pvp splits and claiming warrior has none just shows your ignorance.I know the role, but that is telling something about the class. If i pick meta shiroglint dual seord yeah it work, take shield and you are useless, but in wvw roaming shield is good. Here we can use multiple builds in pvp only 2There are a few reasons for that, the main one being that there are a lot more build possibilities in wvw with pve gear, runes, etc. Also, in pvp builds need to be able to fill one of the roles of conquest, like teamfighter, +1, sidenode bunker, etc. In wvw you have much more freedom to experiment while still maintaining some effectiveness. Even so, there are still only a few meta roaming builds that are arguably the best at dueling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighter.5631 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 without mentioning +1, rev is also decent 1v1, rev has tons of evade, high spike damage and good gap closers, you are not supposed to stay in melee u are supposed to do spike and kit and do spike.it sounds like you like warrior play style more then u should play warrior.if you think warrior is favorite child, that would only say you are low skilled player, because the higher you climb the less warrior you see, because warrior has low carry power for how limited the class isand if you think rev is weak, only because you are bad because rev has decently high skill floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosleepdemon.1368 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Question about +1, what makes a profession that's a good +1 but not also good at any other fight situation a desireable pick? I've read a lot about how good Rev is at that role but not necessarily so good at anything else. Why wouldn't you pick a class that's generally good with fighting in any situation? Phrased another way, what's the difference between the requirements for a good +1 profession and a good 1v1 or teamfight profession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 @nosleepdemon.1368 said:Question about +1, what makes a profession that's a good +1 but not also good at any other fight situation a desireable pick? I've read a lot about how good Rev is at that role but not necessarily so good at anything else. Why wouldn't you pick a class that's generally good with fighting in any situation? Phrased another way, what's the difference between the requirements for a good +1 profession and a good 1v1 or teamfight profession?It all has to do with rotating. A +1 build typically needs good mobility (often with teleports onto a target) and burst/pressure, but sacrifices some defensive ability for it. Their role is to end outnumbered fights quickly, allowing your team to hold or decap points. A duelist build has more defense and could still +1 a fight, but they would be slower to win it, and might not even get the kill if your opponent has time to kite away. Holo would be an example of a class that is good in every kind of fight, which is one of the reasons why they are considered so op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:@"nosleepdemon.1368" said:Question about +1, what makes a profession that's a good +1 but not also good at any other fight situation a desireable pick? I've read a lot about how good Rev is at that role but not necessarily so good at anything else. Why wouldn't you pick a class that's generally good with fighting in any situation? Phrased another way, what's the difference between the requirements for a good +1 profession and a good 1v1 or teamfight profession?It all has to do with rotating. A +1 build typically needs good mobility (often with teleports onto a target) and burst/pressure, but sacrifices some defensive ability for it. Their role is to end outnumbered fights quickly, allowing your team to hold or decap points. A duelist build has more defense and could still +1 a fight, but they would be slower to win it, and might not even get the kill if your opponent has time to kite away. Holo would be an example of a class that is good in every kind of fight, which is one of the reasons why they are considered so op.+1 is only good in "meta teams" if playing pvp with strangers, u r most likely to run into an group which doesnt even know how to rotate -> +1 is crap there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosleepdemon.1368 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:@nosleepdemon.1368 said:Question about +1, what makes a profession that's a good +1 but not also good at any other fight situation a desireable pick? I've read a lot about how good Rev is at that role but not necessarily so good at anything else. Why wouldn't you pick a class that's generally good with fighting in any situation? Phrased another way, what's the difference between the requirements for a good +1 profession and a good 1v1 or teamfight profession?It all has to do with rotating. A +1 build typically needs good mobility (often with teleports onto a target) and burst/pressure, but sacrifices some defensive ability for it. Their role is to end outnumbered fights quickly, allowing your team to hold or decap points. A duelist build has more defense and could still +1 a fight, but they would be slower to win it, and might not even get the kill if your opponent has time to kite away. Holo would be an example of a class that is good in every kind of fight, which is one of the reasons why they are considered so op.Thanks, that was helpful :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 @phokus.8934 said:Staff 5 is absolutely amazing in pve(raids/fractals) for the cc break.Staff 5 means you barely do damage for the next 10 seconds (or you barely did damage the ten seconds before using #5 and swapping to other weapon). I guess it works as alacrigade or healer, because in those roles your dps is irrelevant (your function is to either to provide better skill recharge and extend the buffs to the ones which do the real work or just support with heals and passive boons). But condi dps Revenants do no use the staff on regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 @Buran.3796 said:@phokus.8934 said:Staff 5 is absolutely amazing in pve(raids/fractals) for the cc break.Staff 5 means you barely do damage for the next 10 seconds (or you barely did damage the ten seconds before using #5 and swapping to other weapon). I guess it works as alacrigade or healer, because in those roles your dps is irrelevant (your function is to either to provide better skill recharge and extend the buffs to the ones which do the real work or just support with heals and passive boons). But condi dps Revenants do no use the staff on regular basis.I think that goes without saying, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Shiro/herald S/s and staff is a top sPvP build. Just do not play anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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