Sunshine.5014 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 So far, all my matches that have a Guardian, the class always took both the Highest Damage and Highest Healing (on both sides). They numbers are overtuned. If a spec consistently can get both title in PvP, that means they can get best of both world in the same build.I don't expect this to be hotfixed, so go play Guard and enjoy the wins :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 What you mean by "Guardian" though? Is it core? Dragonhunter? Firebrand?I believe that Firebrand is overtuned with its kit and Dragonhunter to some degree aswell, but core should be more or less fine balance wise?Would be great to get more specific info about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine.5014 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 Firebrand and Dragonhunter. I haven't seen any core guardian today so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylanna.1947 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Just did 2 vs 2 against two FBs.. LoL. Good luck trying to get anything below 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Sunshine.5014 said:Firebrand and Dragonhunter. I haven't seen any core guardian today so far.That was expected I guess since there weren't any real changes to them (no tradeoff for FB and DH, still). Need to deal with it for now, same goes for condi pepegas in WvW. A-net could forbid 2 of the same classes in 2v2 PvP, it won't fully fix problem, but it'll give you some bigger chances to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehape.8407 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 reaching top heal as a guard isnt hard. i even manage to get both stats with core guard. so in absolute numbers it might be not alot healing done. keep that in mind. also if you can place your dmg easily (which is not the case anymore) you are also more likely to get top dmg stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies.7462 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think the biggest issue they face is their output of condi's in a power-oriented build, and the abundance of boons they're able to output. Primarily Blind and Daze for Firebrands, the amount of CC lock-down you have is absolutely insane. It's almost as if ANET either has no pro-guardian players to run on test servers, or they're all guardian mains and don't want to drop their ratings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine.5014 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 For 2v2, it's Firebrand meta for sure. The only question is which class to pair with it. The healing is way too strong compared to core Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Seizure.4985 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Look at how little Symbols were hit in that patch notes. On top of this, burn damage stacking is potent on this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Surprised? We told Anet this specifically would happen..I tried, basically every game is bunker/condi meta. We are back 5 years ago. We already figured out that we need to increase damage to counter this issue. But no... new devs come around, try to recreate the wheel. Refuse to learn from previous mistakes. Then make a fucking square... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine.5014 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 @otto.5684 said:Surprised? We told Anet this specifically would happen..I tried, basically every game is bunker/condi meta. We are back 5 years ago. We already figured out that we need to increase damage to counter this issue. But no... new devs come around, try to recreate the wheel. Refuse to learn from previous mistakes. Then make a kitten square...No, instead of buffing damage, we should nerf Fireband & Dragonhunter more down to the normal level. Their damage & heal is still way overtuned after the patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Sunshine.5014 said:@otto.5684 said:Surprised? We told Anet this specifically would happen..I tried, basically every game is bunker/condi meta. We are back 5 years ago. We already figured out that we need to increase damage to counter this issue. But no... new devs come around, try to recreate the wheel. Refuse to learn from previous mistakes. Then make a kitten square...No, instead of buffing damage, we should nerf Fireband & Dragonhunter more down to the normal level. Their damage & heal is still way overtuned after the patch.It is not only FB (though they are probably the biggest offender). Nearly everything is unkillable, if you know what your doing and play semi bunkerish build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuiRS.8129 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 DH is terrible. FB was OP, stayed OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine.5014 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 @otto.5684 said:@Sunshine.5014 said:@otto.5684 said:Surprised? We told Anet this specifically would happen..I tried, basically every game is bunker/condi meta. We are back 5 years ago. We already figured out that we need to increase damage to counter this issue. But no... new devs come around, try to recreate the wheel. Refuse to learn from previous mistakes. Then make a kitten square...No, instead of buffing damage, we should nerf Fireband & Dragonhunter more down to the normal level. Their damage & heal is still way overtuned after the patch.It is not only FB (though they are probably the biggest offender). Nearly everything is unkillable, if you know what your doing and play semi bunkerish build. I don't think people are unkillable. People die all the times in my game. They just survive way longer if there is a FB in the fight. Nerfing FB is exactly how you get people to die faster, without power creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 oh for the love of .....here we go again ---l2p, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 these stats don't matter. the only time they come into play is when chest thumping mouth breathers use them to justify trash talking their team to escape the unbearable pain of defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylanna.1947 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @ollbirtan.2915 said:oh for the love of .....here we go again ---l2p, nothing else. ahh, we found the FB main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Julius Seizure.4985 said:Look at how little Symbols were hit in that patch notes. On top of this, burn damage stacking is potent on this class.Writ of Persistence: Reduced base heal from 107 to 64. Reduced healing coefficient from 0.075 to 0.04.Lesser Symbol of Wrath (Zealot's Speed): Reduced power coefficient per pulse from 0.5 to 0.25.Symbol of Vengeance: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.6 to 0.45.Symbol of Blades: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.6 to 0.45.Symbol of Punishment: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.5 to 0.45. Increased cooldown from 6 seconds to 8 seconds.Symbol of Faith: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.65 to 0.45.Symbol of Wrath: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.67 to 0.4.wat?Sure, that's no more than everything else got hit, but, that's my whole point. It stayed in-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Ragnar.4257 said:@Julius Seizure.4985 said:Look at how little Symbols were hit in that patch notes. On top of this, burn damage stacking is potent on this class.Sure, that's no more than everything else got hit, but, that's my whole point. It stayed in-line.That may actually be the problem. A lot of other meta builds got hit in unique ways. Mirage lost a dodge, holo lost stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Vagrant.7206 said:@Ragnar.4257 said:@Julius Seizure.4985 said:Look at how little Symbols were hit in that patch notes. On top of this, burn damage stacking is potent on this class.Sure, that's no more than everything else got hit, but, that's my whole point. It stayed in-line.That may actually be the problem. A lot of other meta builds got hit in unique ways. Mirage lost a dodge, holo lost stability.And FB lost FOUR cleanses from F2 tome. It used to cleanse 7, now it cleanses 3. Remember, with 3x cast times.Again, not saying it's worse. Saying it's in-line.Mirage losing dodge is a whole other category of stupid, you can't compare it to anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Sunshine.5014 said:The only question is which class to pair with it. Another firebrand lolor condi necro@ollbirtan.2915 said:oh for the love of .....here we go again ---l2p, nothing else. I had 8 FBs in 10 games.It's definitely a problem right now. I think revive potential without the signet and boonspam should be lower. Also, untraited axe symbol should be smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Sylanna.1947 said:@ollbirtan.2915 said:oh for the love of .....here we go again ---l2p, nothing else. ahh, we found the FB mainPepegabrand*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @NorthernRedStar.3054 said:@Sylanna.1947 said:@ollbirtan.2915 said:oh for the love of .....here we go again ---l2p, nothing else. ahh, we found the FB mainPepegabrand*.Thief's tears ---- why so salty? Funny how I have only met 1 FB in 10 games - the rest were either tempest/core guard or condi herald /engi. Again - L2P lpease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 FB has been a problem since release, it is now more noticeable after these changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 FB isn't a problem.Lets all calm down, if anything is SBs.But even so i would advocate for a nerf because anets version of nerfing is dusting a spec forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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