Thank you for the patch, wvw is the best it's been in a while!!

[asterix.9614]

I only play wvw and pvp and because of the patch there is so much to do, so many people and fun to roam around now, also no more condi meta. I am personally hoping some of the pvers stay it's fun to meet new people in wvw.

Anyway new people just like raids it's optimal if you run a meta build, however you do you and have fun roaming or zerging ?

Edit: wow you people must be so bad at roaming if you are getting killed by condi in wvw atm. Damn, when I roam I only see a few condi users maybe 2 in 4 hours, everything else is power or bunker, tsk, tsk must be because I am not playing in NA server XD

[Nikola.3841]

I don't have fun, I admit. Nothing changed fun-wise

[DemonSeed.3528]

No more condi meta XDAs for fun, I think a lot of fun factor was taken out from all classes overall. I guess we'll have to adapt to the lesser fun version.

[Magolith.9412]

No more condi meta? I take it you don't roam at all.

[DemonSeed.3528]

I want to know where op plays that has no condiarrhea, I'd like to occasionally visit.

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

condis literally never been as annoying and widespread as now and OP writes "no more condi meta" as pro's... must be a troll.

[Fatherbliss.4701]

If anything as people try out different build combinations people I chat with expect condition specs to grow in popularity. A lot us are still experimenting (myself included) to see what we can pull off. I agree I've been having a blast but that also has a lot more to do with when I play which is largely outside of NA prime time.

[Gorilla.4120]

This has to be a troll post or the OP was using sarcasm. This patch has plunged us in to a condition/bunker meta. Hopefully, the devs will look in to addressing this now that they have reduced the effectiveness of power builds.

[Tman.6349]

@Fatherbliss.4701 said:If anything as people try out different build combinations people I chat with expect condition specs to grow in popularity. A lot us are still experimenting (myself included) to see what we can pull off. I agree I've been having a blast but that also has a lot more to do with when I play which is largely outside of NA prime time.

I wonder if, as that popularity grows with condi builds, taking condi clears will also become more popular? It would appear not based on other responses here, but I guess it could happen.

[Dawdler.8521]

@Tman.6349 said:

@Fatherbliss.4701 said:If anything as people try out different build combinations people I chat with expect condition specs to grow in popularity. A lot us are still experimenting (myself included) to see what we can pull off. I agree I've been having a blast but that also has a lot more to do with when I play which is largely outside of NA prime time.

I wonder if, as that popularity grows with condi builds, taking condi clears will also become more popular? It would appear not based on other responses here, but I guess it could happen.It will, and yes that highly affects the effectivness of condition. Condi simply cannot keep up with power when you start stacking people.

In terms of defense, combo fields and cleanses are as strong as ever - in particular I havent even seen the doom scenario with firebrands being nerfed so you have to double up on them.

In terms of offense, it all falls back on time. Despite all the power nerfs, a zerg still has the oomph to one-push another zerg when they surprise them. You dont have the time for conditions to do their work.

This will just keep spilling over to smallscale as well because the threshhold is still ~3-5 people. When they get a healer - or heaven forbid, two - the effectivness of condi builds fall off a cliff. It becomes more important to get single targets downed and stomped rather than puking condis all over.

And the more smallscale people build for cleansing, this affect roaming as well because its hard to handle a +1 against you when one of the targets is basicly facetanking you. Sure, some will fall to solo condi but thats just how it has always been.

But maybe thats just me misintepreting everything.

[Sunshine.5014]

Judging on the "Thumbs Up" it seems like there is a silent majority that actually enjoy WvW and agree with the OP. I also agree with the OP that WvW has been a lot more fun to me after the patch. Things are slightly longer to kill, and you need to time your CC well. But that's part of the fun, instead of mindlessly press all your buttons.

[monotony.4931]

@Sunshine.5014 said:[...] and you need to time your CC well. But that's part of the fun, instead of mindlessly press all your buttons.This so, so, so much. PvP in GW hasn't been this great since 2015.

[Antipode.7830]

My WvW experience has slowly devolved into a few heavy sustain builds and a few stealth builds just dancing around each other in ever larger numbers. It's feeling pretty trashy. Really going to be interesting seeing what actually gets balanced and how.

[TheGrimm.5624]

@"Sunshine.5014" said:Judging on the "Thumbs Up" it seems like there is a silent majority that actually enjoy WvW and agree with the OP. I also agree with the OP that WvW has been a lot more fun to me after the patch. Things are slightly longer to kill, and you need to time your CC well. But that's part of the fun, instead of mindlessly press all your buttons.

If you are gauging this off 9 people, this is more of a reason they need to bring back the thumbs down if we are using 9 people as directional indications of an issue. Agree or disagree that is a terrible sampling size to work off of, just saying.