Condi is overtuned

[NorthernRedStar.3054]

Condi mains: "Out of power builds, ranger is still viable. KILL IT!"

[Arheundel.6451]

That's pretty much

[Tayga.3192]

Edit: I don't know what condi builds are strong though. Can someone give names?

[AliamRationem.5172]

I may be mistaken, but I am seeing a shift away from condi bunker and toward builds with heavy CC and power burst.

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Tayga.3192 said:Ranger AND condi builds should get nerfed at the same time.

I don't know what condi builds are strong though. Can someone give names?

they are not broken, but if there is 1 good condi build there will be people to complain about it :D

[Tayga.3192]

@Leonidrex.5649 said:they are not broken, but if there is 1 good condi build there will be people to complain about it :D

There is burn guard and what else?

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Tayga.3192 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:they are not broken, but if there is 1 good condi build there will be people to complain about it :D

There is burn guard and what else?

some weaver, rev and necros try to make it work

[Tayga.3192]

@Leonidrex.5649 said:some weaver,Dies easier than an afk thief

revThis needs resistance nerfs, otherwise it's ok (nerf infusing light)

and necros try to make it workPower necro is still way better

So yes, I agree with you. I am not convinced condi is op.

[Sigmoid.7082]

No matter how strong or weak a condition build may be at any point as long as someone is dying to them conditions are considered overpowered as a whole.

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Sigmoid.7082 said:No matter how strong or weak a condition build may be at any point as long as someone is dying to them conditions are considered overpowered as a whole.

truth hath ben spoken

[ILoveMonotony.1479]

Since the 25th I've played 5v5 versus bad, average and great players on a daily basis and since the core Necromancer nerfs a week later there isn't a single dominant condition build.

[Fantasylife.7981]

all condition dmg is actually too strong, I like a game where we find a middle point where power and condition are both equally good and none is better than the other. also most Power classes have aim and must hit the target, condition damage stations in the ground and you just get it or has some decent aoe area that doesnt required much aiming.

[Sigmoid.7082]

@Fantasylife.7981 said:all condition dmg is actually too strong

It really isn't. It's specific skills or builds.

[De Bourgogne.9642]

How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power. Warrior, theif, ranger, holo all have their best builds use power damage. Mesmer is kinda weak for once. So you got burn guard an immobile condi build that only does burning, fire weaver which also has problem sticking onto people and only real good condi build which is condi rev, but i guess one meta condi build is too much for people that cant keep track of conditions on themselves or run some condi cleanse instead of full power damage.Only time conditions have been strong was scourge and mirage that could poop all the conditions in the game onto you in a second.

When a theif hits you for 7k you can't get that hp back, but if fire weaver applies 7 stacks of burning you can get rid of it with one button and take like 1k dmg.

[NorthernRedStar.3054]

This is a case similar to when people formerly wanted thieves to be still target markers for them to smack down.

You misplayed, ranger punished you. That's how it should work for everyone.

[Brimstone Jack.3462]

@AliamRationem.5172 said:I may be mistaken, but I am seeing a shift away from condi bunker and toward builds with heavy CC and power burst.

Core necro power-heavy bunkers are insanely faceroll and core necros in general are pretty much mando in low ranking 2v2. And well-played power burst really is the only hard counter I've seen. And even that's been nerfed. I literally just watch my health bar and drop marks/build life force until it's time to drop sigils and shroud ftw. And that's after I pop lich and AA one of them to death. I lol at conditions and boons.

[Brimstone Jack.3462]

Oh, and don't forget our free revives. XD

[Buran.3796]

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

[De Bourgogne.9642]

@Buran.3796 said:

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

2v2 is irrelevant.

[Xca.9721]

@McPero.3287 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

2v2 is irrelevant.

I haven´t seen a single Revenant that says Power Rev is better than Condi Rev after the Patch, neither ingame nor on the forums/reddit, regardless of 2v2 or 5v5

[De Bourgogne.9642]

@Xca.9721 said:

@McPero.3287 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

2v2 is irrelevant.

I haven´t seen a single Revenant that says Power Rev is better than Condi Rev after the Patch, neither ingame nor on the forums/reddit, regardless of 2v2 or 5v5

Okay I've seen people say otherwise. Pretty sure it is situational since power and condi rev fulfil different roles, power is roaming assasin while condi is teamfight carry, depends what your teamcomp needs and what enemy teamcomp has.Even if say Condi rev is better that means you got whole one strong condi build in the meta lol. With absence of scourge condi rev is like only teamfight dps we have for 5v5 (actually power renegade might be great in teamfights as well).

[Xca.9721]

@McPero.3287 said:

@Xca.9721 said:

@McPero.3287 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

2v2 is irrelevant.

I haven´t seen a single Revenant that says Power Rev is better than Condi Rev after the Patch, neither ingame nor on the forums/reddit, regardless of 2v2 or 5v5

Okay I've seen people say otherwise. Pretty sure it is situational since power and condi rev fulfil different roles, power is roaming assasin while condi is teamfight carry, depends what your teamcomp needs and what enemy teamcomp has.Even if say Condi rev is better that means you got whole one strong condi build in the meta lol. With absence of scourge condi rev is like only teamfight dps we have for 5v5 (actually power renegade might be great in teamfights as well).

The thing with power rev is, it is still a decent teamfighter/roamer, but it does lack damage and sustain. I still play it because it is more fun than Condi Rev, even though it lost a lot of its fluid gameplay due to higher energy costs after the patch. Btw we can´t be sure what will be Meta in 5v5 since Ranked hasn´t started yet and we haven´t seen the Monthly AT yet after the changes.

[De Bourgogne.9642]

@Xca.9721 said:

@McPero.3287 said:

@Xca.9721 said:

@McPero.3287 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

2v2 is irrelevant.

I haven´t seen a single Revenant that says Power Rev is better than Condi Rev after the Patch, neither ingame nor on the forums/reddit, regardless of 2v2 or 5v5

Okay I've seen people say otherwise. Pretty sure it is situational since power and condi rev fulfil different roles, power is roaming assasin while condi is teamfight carry, depends what your teamcomp needs and what enemy teamcomp has.Even if say Condi rev is better that means you got whole one strong condi build in the meta lol. With absence of scourge condi rev is like only teamfight dps we have for 5v5 (actually power renegade might be great in teamfights as well).

The thing with power rev is, it is still a decent teamfighter/roamer, but it does lack damage and sustain. I still play it because it is more fun than Condi Rev, even though it lost a lot of its fluid gameplay due to higher energy costs after the patch. Btw we can´t be sure what will be Meta in 5v5 since Ranked hasn´t started yet and we haven´t seen the Monthly AT yet after the changes.

We have seen daily ATs.

[Xca.9721]

@McPero.3287 said:

@Xca.9721 said:

@McPero.3287 said:

@Xca.9721 said:

@McPero.3287 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@McPero.3287 said:How are condi builds too strong lol? Revenants still prefer/believe power rev is better than condi, scourge is dead and core necro is better with power.

Didn't saw a single power Rev in my last 30 2v2 ranked matches. Condi variations with Mallyx feels better than power Rev, that's for sure. I mean, if a power Rev lands a full burst in my condi Rev and I do nothing, I can maybe lose half of my HP, and that's with him using zerk amulet...

2v2 is irrelevant.

I haven´t seen a single Revenant that says Power Rev is better than Condi Rev after the Patch, neither ingame nor on the forums/reddit, regardless of 2v2 or 5v5

Okay I've seen people say otherwise. Pretty sure it is situational since power and condi rev fulfil different roles, power is roaming assasin while condi is teamfight carry, depends what your teamcomp needs and what enemy teamcomp has.Even if say Condi rev is better that means you got whole one strong condi build in the meta lol. With absence of scourge condi rev is like only teamfight dps we have for 5v5 (actually power renegade might be great in teamfights as well).

The thing with power rev is, it is still a decent teamfighter/roamer, but it does lack damage and sustain. I still play it because it is more fun than Condi Rev, even though it lost a lot of its fluid gameplay due to higher energy costs after the patch. Btw we can´t be sure what will be Meta in 5v5 since Ranked hasn´t started yet and we haven´t seen the Monthly AT yet after the changes.

We have seen daily ATs.

I have seen some of Sind, he also mentioned his team will not use Rev and Necro

[Chorazin.4107]

I think it is more the compounding nature of condis. You get 1 bunker condi it is not too bad to deal with. A whole team of them and it is fucking nuts in any team fight. a couple of seconds and you are covered in every condi in existence if the condi train has you targeted.