Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Cooldown resetting chain teleporting perma resistance immortal dps is op pls nerf But seriously there better be some big splits for pvp and wvw. 12 2 6 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejgon.9367 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 to be fair as far as I was able to follow all three of those especs are broken, and I expect them to not only get nerfed prior to release but I expect a number of nerfs incoming after release. 4 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaeys.3102 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 I didnt realize anyone had played it yet to test. 21 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lattekahvi.2347 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 not really, the only usable trait was that sustain one in adept line and we all know that it will be nerfed to 10 healing power while keeping the outgoing heal reduction atleast in spvp and wvw where sustain actually means something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonork.2916 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Am I the only one looking at all the Willbender stuff, especially the traits and thinking that they're kinda underwhelming when compared to the other elites shown? I mean we haven't tested it and I hope it's good/fun but nothing jumps out as amazing to me. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 yessss come guard mains, argue that your class isnt op despite the one tradeoff of guard being low mobility 7 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarox.9601 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 we get mobility but traits are luckluster, no synergy with anything, and those grandmaster traits are .... i dont know...bad...swap heal with regen, or aegis with no death....its just not worth it. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 Just now, Ragnarox.9601 said: we get mobility but traits are luckluster, no synergy with anything, and those grandmaster traits are .... i dont know...bad...swap heal with regen, or aegis with no death....its just not worth it. perma resistance is lackluster? resetting cd on virtues is lackluster?? what?????????? 3 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lattekahvi.2347 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: yessss come guard mains, argue that your class isnt op despite the one tradeoff of guard being low mobility while willbender gets a good mobility they trade so much for their survivability considering 11k healthpool which is deleted by single "sic em" sniper or dead eye rotation in seconds, atleast thieves have their stealth so they can reset the fight as many times as needed until they emerge victorious and those grandmasters are so bad its better to not pick one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Everything shown for Willbender was incredibly OP. That level of mobility, damage, sustain and CC is just wrong. Rev and Thief are both just flat out replaced in PvP. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 Just now, Lattekahvi.2347 said: while willbender gets a good mobility they trade so much for their survivability considering 11k healthpool which is deleted by single "sic em" sniper or dead eye rotation in seconds, atleast thieves have their stealth so they can reset the fight as many times as needed until they emerge victorious and those grandmasters are so bad its better to not pick one ahh, the "but 11k hp" argument is here 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryTiKaL.3125 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ragnarox.9601 said: we get mobility but traits are luckluster, no synergy with anything, and those grandmaster traits are .... i dont know...bad...swap heal with regen, or aegis with no death....its just not worth it. Bad synergy? I'll admit the Grandmaster traits are a little hit or miss but pairing Willbender with Zeal and Virtues is going to give it more utility and synergy than you might be aware of. Virtues by itself is going to reduce Virtue cooldowns, give Resolution when activating a Virtue, increase damage after activating a Virtue as well as provide an additional stunbreak with Stability for Courage which on Willbender is a 600 range teleport that already provides stability when attacks from it hit. But naw..."lackluster." Its literally already a better Warrior than the current Warrior. It was given the exact things that would have made Warrior crazy OP. It even has a "Full Counter" heal with much less of a visual tell than Full Counter while also having ammo charges. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion.4198 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Don't pursue Lu Bu. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarox.9601 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, KryTiKaL.3125 said: Bad synergy? I'll admit the Grandmaster traits are a little hit or miss but pairing Willbender with Zeal and Virtues is going to give it more utility and synergy than you might be aware of. Virtues by itself is going to reduce Virtue cooldowns, give Resolution when activating a Virtue, increase damage after activating a Virtue as well as provide an additional stunbreak with Stability for Courage which on Willbender is a 600 range teleport that already provides stability when attacks from it hit. But naw..."lackluster." Its literally already a better Warrior than the current Warrior. It was given the exact things that would have made Warrior crazy OP. It even has a "Full Counter" heal with much less of a visual tell than Full Counter while also having ammo charges. I dont know, i need to test it to give proper judge. heal is looking good, with meditation traitline it could work, wont take virtuoso elite skill for sure. will take meditation aoe, stun and stunbreaker. combined with gs and sw/sw. grandmaster traits...i might pick none....or justice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Aktium.9506 said: Everything shown for Willbender was incredibly OP. That level of mobility, damage, sustain and CC is just wrong. Rev and Thief are both just flat out replaced in PvP. What? How would this replace thief? No stealth. Most of the mobility skills are either dashes, so no z-axis, or require a target. In no way does this compete with Infiltrators Arrow & Shadowstep. It does seem to be competing for the same space as s/s shiro/herald, but I don't yet see that it's objectively better. It has no equivalent to Unrelenting Assault (ie. a damage skill that simultaneously evades/mitigates), it has CC on elite when shiro/herald has 2x CC on elite. The reposte heal thing is comparable to Infuse Light. Which one ends up being better is really going to come down to numbers, and we haven't seen the PvP numbers yet. Edited August 13, 2021 by Ragnar.4257 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 43 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: perma resistance is lackluster? resetting cd on virtues is lackluster?? what?????????? You know resistance doesn't do much any more, right? If perma-resistance was strong then Mallyx would still be a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugrakarma.9416 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 if this thing is OP, everyone was playing full physical warrior atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Unconditional 33% damage modifier as a master trait. Nuff said. Edited August 13, 2021 by Kodama.6453 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kodama.6453 said: Unconditional 33% damage modifier as a master trait. Nuff said. You didn't read it properly then. It only increases the skill "WIllbender Flames" damage by 33%. Which was stated to be a low damage skill. +33% to nothing is still nothing. See 1:13:00 - Edited August 13, 2021 by Ragnar.4257 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ragnar.4257 said: You didn't read it properly then. It only increases the WIllbender Flames damage by 33%. Which was stated to be a low damage skill. +33% to nothing is still nothing. You are right, seems I missed that part during the stream. Then I think the spec looks mostly fine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ragnar.4257 said: You know resistance doesn't do much any more, right? If perma-resistance was strong then Mallyx would still be a thing. Yeah, it only negates all the weakness, chill, and blind spam which prevent any power dps from actually having an impact in a fight. It also means you dont have to waste cleanses for non damage condis. Mallyx perma resistance requires them to spend all their energy so its not a good comparison. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanto.2485 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Yeah, it only negates all the weakness, chill, and blind spam which prevent any power dps from actually having an impact in a fight. It also means you dont have to waste cleanses for non damage condis. Mallyx perma resistance requires them to spend all their energy so its not a good comparison. You may have not noticed that there is not a single condition cleanse in anything about this spec, which already forces you to take the 40 sec cd meditation which is the only good cleanse the class has 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeph.5927 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Oh look. An ignorant person already complaining about something being OP that literally none of us have had a chance to try yet. Color me surprised….. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oslaf Beinir.5842 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 i dont care if it is op as long as it slays thieves 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanto.2485 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Oslaf Beinir.5842 said: i dont care if it is op as long as it slays thieves Sorry bro, the class has no access to reveal whatsoever so... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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