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Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭

Bomb + Mortar Kit Engi

Bombs are a meme. Slow to activate, A over-telegraphed toolbelt skill with very little payoff. Damage that you can simply walk out of. But there are a few aspects to bomb kit that can be oppressive under the right circumstances. Namely:

Smoke Bomb + Flash Shell + Explosive Entrance + Flashbang + Invigorating Speed.

If running tools you can run Streamlined kits for easy access to swiftness, which will proc Vigor from Invorating Speed. You can also run Adrenal Implant for a total of +90% endurance regen when Vigor is up. What this means is more dodges, more flashbang procs, more dazes when the opponent is on high health, and most importantly, more blinds.

If the sidenode meta ever shifts to be more melee heavy this build will frustrate players with its endless blind spam.

Burn Staff Ele

Very few people take staff ele seriously. It's an easy kill, but damage, as we've seen keeps creeping lower and lower. Hard hitters like Holo and Rev have slowly been receiving nerfs. Other builds that can bully it like thief have also been getting nerfed steadily. If damage continues to creep lower, this build will make a comeback.

It's a very easy build to gain value on. Simply press Signet of Fire, then press Fire 3. Very little tell, very little cast time. If you have allies to provide cover condis, you can spike people down in no time at all. Afterwards, simpy cycle through defensive cooldowns for 12 seconds until your burst is up again. If allowed to freecast, you have a good amount of AoE pressure crowd control. What makes this build oppressive is it's ease of use. It has a 2 button burst rotation with very little tell that happens from range. It may not see much use in plat, but lower ranks will complain if this starts seeing play.

Ventari Rev

Supports are a dying breed in PvP. Scrapper, scourge, druid, and firebrand have all received heavy nerfs which have seen their removal from the meta. Should healbreaker and tempest also receive nerfs, this build may eventually rise to the top.

Similar to staff ele, if damage also continues to creep lower, this build's weakness of being focused will become less of an issue. It can heal, cleanse, and even crowd control opponents while being locked down itself. If damage is lowered enough, this build will be able to keep itself alive even in the middle of a CC chain. No other support can do this. You will see complaints such as "make tablet destructable" or "add a cast time to ventari heals. It shouldn't be able to heal itself while locked down".

Counterplay exists for each of these builds right now, but as options are removed, and more builds are nerfed, counterplay will also be reduced. PvPers of the past would have laughed if they saw a Renegade in their game, now it's the hot topic of the forums. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

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  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What did I just read?

  • i think sc/ f ele burns has better potential, but yeah those builds could possibly be a decent nuisance.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kuma.1503 said:

    Bomb + Mortar Kit Engi

    Bombs are a meme. Slow to activate, A over-telegraphed toolbelt skill with very little payoff. Damage that you can simply walk out of. But there are a few aspects to bomb kit that can be oppressive under the right circumstances. Namely:

    Smoke Bomb + Flash Shell + Explosive Entrance + Flashbang + Invigorating Speed.

    If running tools you can run Streamlined kits for easy access to swiftness, which will proc Vigor from Invorating Speed. You can also run Adrenal Implant for a total of +90% endurance regen when Vigor is up. What this means is more dodges, more flashbang procs, more dazes when the opponent is on high health, and most importantly, more blinds.

    If the sidenode meta ever shifts to be more melee heavy this build will frustrate players with its endless blind spam.

    Burn Staff Ele

    Very few people take staff ele seriously. It's an easy kill, but damage, as we've seen keeps creeping lower and lower. Hard hitters like Holo and Rev have slowly been receiving nerfs. Other builds that can bully it like thief have also been getting nerfed steadily. If damage continues to creep lower, this build will make a comeback.

    It's a very easy build to gain value on. Simply press Signet of Fire, then press Fire 3. Very little tell, very little cast time. If you have allies to provide cover condis, you can spike people down in no time at all. Afterwards, simpy cycle through defensive cooldowns for 12 seconds until your burst is up again. If allowed to freecast, you have a good amount of AoE pressure crowd control. What makes this build oppressive is it's ease of use. It has a 2 button burst rotation with very little tell that happens from range. It may not see much use in plat, but lower ranks will complain if this starts seeing play.

    Ventari Rev

    Supports are a dying breed in PvP. Scrapper, scourge, druid, and firebrand have all received heavy nerfs which have seen their removal from the meta. Should healbreaker and tempest also receive nerfs, this build may eventually rise to the top.

    Similar to staff ele, if damage also continues to creep lower, this build's weakness of being focused will become less of an issue. It can heal, cleanse, and even crowd control opponents while being locked down itself. If damage is lowered enough, this build will be able to keep itself alive even in the middle of a CC chain. No other support can do this. You will see complaints such as "make tablet destructable" or "add a cast time to ventari heals. It shouldn't be able to heal itself while locked down".

    Counterplay exists for each of these builds right now, but as options are removed, and more builds are nerfed, counterplay will also be reduced. PvPers of the past would have laughed if they saw a Renegade in their game, now it's the hot topic of the forums. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

    Didn't we have same complaints (make tablet destroyable owmagawd) back in the HoT ventari decap days? I wouldn't be surprised to see the wheel turn again. Déjà vu...

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:

    @Kuma.1503 said:

    Bomb + Mortar Kit Engi

    Bombs are a meme. Slow to activate, A over-telegraphed toolbelt skill with very little payoff. Damage that you can simply walk out of. But there are a few aspects to bomb kit that can be oppressive under the right circumstances. Namely:

    Smoke Bomb + Flash Shell + Explosive Entrance + Flashbang + Invigorating Speed.

    If running tools you can run Streamlined kits for easy access to swiftness, which will proc Vigor from Invorating Speed. You can also run Adrenal Implant for a total of +90% endurance regen when Vigor is up. What this means is more dodges, more flashbang procs, more dazes when the opponent is on high health, and most importantly, more blinds.

    If the sidenode meta ever shifts to be more melee heavy this build will frustrate players with its endless blind spam.

    Burn Staff Ele

    Very few people take staff ele seriously. It's an easy kill, but damage, as we've seen keeps creeping lower and lower. Hard hitters like Holo and Rev have slowly been receiving nerfs. Other builds that can bully it like thief have also been getting nerfed steadily. If damage continues to creep lower, this build will make a comeback.

    It's a very easy build to gain value on. Simply press Signet of Fire, then press Fire 3. Very little tell, very little cast time. If you have allies to provide cover condis, you can spike people down in no time at all. Afterwards, simpy cycle through defensive cooldowns for 12 seconds until your burst is up again. If allowed to freecast, you have a good amount of AoE pressure crowd control. What makes this build oppressive is it's ease of use. It has a 2 button burst rotation with very little tell that happens from range. It may not see much use in plat, but lower ranks will complain if this starts seeing play.

    Ventari Rev

    Supports are a dying breed in PvP. Scrapper, scourge, druid, and firebrand have all received heavy nerfs which have seen their removal from the meta. Should healbreaker and tempest also receive nerfs, this build may eventually rise to the top.

    Similar to staff ele, if damage also continues to creep lower, this build's weakness of being focused will become less of an issue. It can heal, cleanse, and even crowd control opponents while being locked down itself. If damage is lowered enough, this build will be able to keep itself alive even in the middle of a CC chain. No other support can do this. You will see complaints such as "make tablet destructable" or "add a cast time to ventari heals. It shouldn't be able to heal itself while locked down".

    Counterplay exists for each of these builds right now, but as options are removed, and more builds are nerfed, counterplay will also be reduced. PvPers of the past would have laughed if they saw a Renegade in their game, now it's the hot topic of the forums. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

    Didn't we have same complaints (make tablet destroyable owmagawd) back in the HoT ventari decap days? I wouldn't be surprised to see the wheel turn again. Déjà vu...

    That would have been an incredibly stupid suggestion as the whole point of that build was to destroy the tablet as fast and frequently as possible. Though the average forum poster here is incredibly stupid so it wouldn't be surprising.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:

    @Kuma.1503 said:

    Bomb + Mortar Kit Engi

    Bombs are a meme. Slow to activate, A over-telegraphed toolbelt skill with very little payoff. Damage that you can simply walk out of. But there are a few aspects to bomb kit that can be oppressive under the right circumstances. Namely:

    Smoke Bomb + Flash Shell + Explosive Entrance + Flashbang + Invigorating Speed.

    If running tools you can run Streamlined kits for easy access to swiftness, which will proc Vigor from Invorating Speed. You can also run Adrenal Implant for a total of +90% endurance regen when Vigor is up. What this means is more dodges, more flashbang procs, more dazes when the opponent is on high health, and most importantly, more blinds.

    If the sidenode meta ever shifts to be more melee heavy this build will frustrate players with its endless blind spam.

    Burn Staff Ele

    Very few people take staff ele seriously. It's an easy kill, but damage, as we've seen keeps creeping lower and lower. Hard hitters like Holo and Rev have slowly been receiving nerfs. Other builds that can bully it like thief have also been getting nerfed steadily. If damage continues to creep lower, this build will make a comeback.

    It's a very easy build to gain value on. Simply press Signet of Fire, then press Fire 3. Very little tell, very little cast time. If you have allies to provide cover condis, you can spike people down in no time at all. Afterwards, simpy cycle through defensive cooldowns for 12 seconds until your burst is up again. If allowed to freecast, you have a good amount of AoE pressure crowd control. What makes this build oppressive is it's ease of use. It has a 2 button burst rotation with very little tell that happens from range. It may not see much use in plat, but lower ranks will complain if this starts seeing play.

    Ventari Rev

    Supports are a dying breed in PvP. Scrapper, scourge, druid, and firebrand have all received heavy nerfs which have seen their removal from the meta. Should healbreaker and tempest also receive nerfs, this build may eventually rise to the top.

    Similar to staff ele, if damage also continues to creep lower, this build's weakness of being focused will become less of an issue. It can heal, cleanse, and even crowd control opponents while being locked down itself. If damage is lowered enough, this build will be able to keep itself alive even in the middle of a CC chain. No other support can do this. You will see complaints such as "make tablet destructable" or "add a cast time to ventari heals. It shouldn't be able to heal itself while locked down".

    Counterplay exists for each of these builds right now, but as options are removed, and more builds are nerfed, counterplay will also be reduced. PvPers of the past would have laughed if they saw a Renegade in their game, now it's the hot topic of the forums. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

    Didn't we have same complaints (make tablet destroyable owmagawd) back in the HoT ventari decap days? I wouldn't be surprised to see the wheel turn again. Déjà vu...

    That would have been an incredibly stupid suggestion as the whole point of that build was to destroy the tablet as fast and frequently as possible. Though the average forum poster here is incredibly stupid so it wouldn't be surprising.

    Well it worked the same way decap engi worked but it was also a healer, so it could kitten up team fights and sidenodes, imagine if they didnt nerf it before and it stayed hidden till now, at least 3 to 4 months of perma cc, then again CMC can't touch functionality so a year of it maybe.

  • Jekkt.6045Jekkt.6045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:

    @Kuma.1503 said:

    Bomb + Mortar Kit Engi

    Bombs are a meme. Slow to activate, A over-telegraphed toolbelt skill with very little payoff. Damage that you can simply walk out of. But there are a few aspects to bomb kit that can be oppressive under the right circumstances. Namely:

    Smoke Bomb + Flash Shell + Explosive Entrance + Flashbang + Invigorating Speed.

    If running tools you can run Streamlined kits for easy access to swiftness, which will proc Vigor from Invorating Speed. You can also run Adrenal Implant for a total of +90% endurance regen when Vigor is up. What this means is more dodges, more flashbang procs, more dazes when the opponent is on high health, and most importantly, more blinds.

    If the sidenode meta ever shifts to be more melee heavy this build will frustrate players with its endless blind spam.

    Burn Staff Ele

    Very few people take staff ele seriously. It's an easy kill, but damage, as we've seen keeps creeping lower and lower. Hard hitters like Holo and Rev have slowly been receiving nerfs. Other builds that can bully it like thief have also been getting nerfed steadily. If damage continues to creep lower, this build will make a comeback.

    It's a very easy build to gain value on. Simply press Signet of Fire, then press Fire 3. Very little tell, very little cast time. If you have allies to provide cover condis, you can spike people down in no time at all. Afterwards, simpy cycle through defensive cooldowns for 12 seconds until your burst is up again. If allowed to freecast, you have a good amount of AoE pressure crowd control. What makes this build oppressive is it's ease of use. It has a 2 button burst rotation with very little tell that happens from range. It may not see much use in plat, but lower ranks will complain if this starts seeing play.

    Ventari Rev

    Supports are a dying breed in PvP. Scrapper, scourge, druid, and firebrand have all received heavy nerfs which have seen their removal from the meta. Should healbreaker and tempest also receive nerfs, this build may eventually rise to the top.

    Similar to staff ele, if damage also continues to creep lower, this build's weakness of being focused will become less of an issue. It can heal, cleanse, and even crowd control opponents while being locked down itself. If damage is lowered enough, this build will be able to keep itself alive even in the middle of a CC chain. No other support can do this. You will see complaints such as "make tablet destructable" or "add a cast time to ventari heals. It shouldn't be able to heal itself while locked down".

    Counterplay exists for each of these builds right now, but as options are removed, and more builds are nerfed, counterplay will also be reduced. PvPers of the past would have laughed if they saw a Renegade in their game, now it's the hot topic of the forums. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

    Didn't we have same complaints (make tablet destroyable owmagawd) back in the HoT ventari decap days? I wouldn't be surprised to see the wheel turn again. Déjà vu...

    That would have been an incredibly stupid suggestion as the whole point of that build was to destroy the tablet as fast and frequently as possible. Though the average forum poster here is incredibly stupid so it wouldn't be surprising.

    Well it worked the same way decap engi worked but it was also a healer, so it could kitten up team fights and sidenodes, imagine if they didnt nerf it before and it stayed hidden till now, at least 3 to 4 months of perma cc, then again CMC can't touch functionality so a year of it maybe.

    instead of making the build useless they could have also just changed the knockback to a knockdown.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kuma.1503 said:

    Ventari Rev

    omega lul

    It got nerfed to death ,while it wasnt anywhere close to being playable in the past

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    Power Core Necromancer

    I played this for fun. Even on Zerk/Scholar it performs pretty well. Obviously it has its flaws. Viability depends on map. Memes 9/10.

    Weapons
    MH - Staff (Cleansing/Energy; maybe Escape)
    OH - Axe/Warhorn or Focus (Exploitation/Revocation)

    Specializations
    Spite - 1/1 or 2/2
    Curses - 1/3/1
    Soul Reaping - 2 or 3/3/2

    Utility
    Consume Conditions
    Spectral Armor (maybe something offensive like Spectral Ring or Well of Suffering)
    Summon Flesh Worm
    Spectral Walk
    Lich

    Everything hits super hard in this build. Staff Auto up to 3k iirc. Shroud Auto deals like what? 5-7k per hit? Life Transfer easily reaches five-digit numbers. Axe hits hard. Fear hits hard. Lich is just pepega. Positioning and awareness is obviously key. Three to four stun breaks, two ports, second health bar and Lich. Well, it can work. Play it like FA Weaver but keep projectiles in mind.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    Power Core Necromancer

    I played this for fun. Even on Zerk/Scholar it performs pretty well. Obviously it has its flaws. Viability depends on map. Memes 9/10.

    Weapons
    MH - Staff (Cleansing/Energy; maybe Escape)
    OH - Axe/Warhorn or Focus (Exploitation/Revocation)

    Specializations
    Spite - 1/1 or 2/2
    Curses - 1/3/1
    Soul Reaping - 2 or 3/3/2

    Utility
    Consume Conditions
    Spectral Armor (maybe something offensive like Spectral Ring or Well of Suffering)
    Summon Flesh Worm
    Spectral Walk
    Lich

    Everything hits super hard in this build. Staff Auto up to 3k iirc. Shroud Auto deals like what? 5-7k per hit? Life Transfer easily reaches five-digit numbers. Axe hits hard. Fear hits hard. Lich is just pepega. Positioning and awareness is obviously key. Three to four stun breaks, two ports, second health bar and Lich. Well, it can work. Play it like FA Weaver but keep projectiles in mind.

    Did you notice that PvP has different damage modifiers than PVE? Test the build in HotM and come back stating these numbers!

    5 to 7k shroud autos... BARELY in full zerk PvE gear it does that! 7k only below 50% HP.

    Spite Curses SR core necro is ten times better on carrion amulet as chill of death, spiteful spirit, weakening shroud condi overload proc build. On zerk or marauder is is just a freekill esp. with only one healing source at a 30 second cooldown.

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    Power Core Necromancer

    I played this for fun. Even on Zerk/Scholar it performs pretty well. Obviously it has its flaws. Viability depends on map. Memes 9/10.

    Weapons
    MH - Staff (Cleansing/Energy; maybe Escape)
    OH - Axe/Warhorn or Focus (Exploitation/Revocation)

    Specializations
    Spite - 1/1 or 2/2
    Curses - 1/3/1
    Soul Reaping - 2 or 3/3/2

    Utility
    Consume Conditions
    Spectral Armor (maybe something offensive like Spectral Ring or Well of Suffering)
    Summon Flesh Worm
    Spectral Walk
    Lich

    Everything hits super hard in this build. Staff Auto up to 3k iirc. Shroud Auto deals like what? 5-7k per hit? Life Transfer easily reaches five-digit numbers. Axe hits hard. Fear hits hard. Lich is just pepega. Positioning and awareness is obviously key. Three to four stun breaks, two ports, second health bar and Lich. Well, it can work. Play it like FA Weaver but keep projectiles in mind.

    I've played a build similar to this actually, but I ran Scepter/dagger Axe/Focus. Heavy focus on corrupts and bursting targets down in fear.

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:
    Did you notice that PvP has different damage modifiers than PVE? Test the build in HotM and come back stating these numbers!

    5 to 7k shroud autos... not even in full zerk PvE it does that! If it did core necro would actually be an option in this game mode.

    Spite Curses SR core necro is ten times better on carrion amulet as chill of death, spiteful spirit, weakening shroud condi overload proc build. On zerk or marauder is is just a freekill esp. with only one healing source at a 30 second cooldown.

    Boy, did you realize what the topic of this thread is? Or my introductional words? Things to complain about if they somehow were efficient? If not, read it. Additionally, I recommend you to try this build on golem or even in a match before posting this nonsense. It definitely deals these damage numbers. Back to school, baby face.

    Stop talking nonesense here, you stated core necro did these numbers in PvP and it doesn't.

    Dude, it does. Try it. Thank me later.

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    https://imgur.com/a/ysEi780

    I misrembered the numbers of Staff Auto (up to 2k) and Life Transfer (up to 9k) but hell, what is wrong with you? As if I was going to prove a point about a meme build. I told you it has its flaws and is squishy as hell. Defensive utilities are there for a reason.

    Life Blast crits at 5k and 4.3k on heavy golem. Talking about "low mobility" with two ports and speed on Spectral Walk and Warhorn 5 is debatable btw.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @GewRoo.4172 said:
    https://imgur.com/a/ysEi780

    I misrembered the numbers of Staff Auto (up to 2k) and Life Transfer (up to 9k) but hell, what is wrong with you? As if I was going to prove a point about a meme build. I told you it has its flaws and is squishy as hell. Defensive utilities are there for a reason.

    Life Blast crits at 5k and 4.3k on heavy golem. Talking about "low mobility" with two ports and speed on Spectral Walk and Warhorn 5 is debatable btw.

    And now please without the 25 vulnerability stack and without the team buffs you got there!

    Btw.: rank 31 ... cute! I guess I wasn't that wrong, when I put your skill level into bronze division. Nobody above bot-division plays power core necro as it sucks.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:
    And now please without the 25 vulnerability stack!

    You know that this build can't even generate 25 stacks of vulnerability. Just hit 5.6k with 5 stacks. Argue as much as you want, I told you it would hit 5k with Life Blast and it does. I won the Internet points, I took you honor and your anime waifu is now mine. Besides that you are so bad I could facetank you with this build with walking speed set on default and still 100-0 you, boy.

    You were clearly buffed or the target debuffed. The fact is you are trying to trick people here. I am in HotM right now and I see the numbers you can get.

    Do you also do dps tests at the PvE golem with all boons and buffs enabled and then join a discussion about how good core necro is at damage?

    Yes, you caught me. I hired a Druid to share spotter with me in order to trick clueless players at the Guild Wars 2 forums in playing meme builds. Have mercy, daddy.

    This conversation is gone in a few minutes. Thank me later!

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:
    And now please without the 25 vulnerability stack!

    You know that this build can't even generate 25 stacks of vulnerability. Just hit 5.6k with 5 stacks. Argue as much as you want, I told you it would hit 5k with Life Blast and it does. I won the Internet points, I took you honor and your anime waifu is now mine. Besides that you are so bad I could facetank you with this build with walking speed set on default and still 100-0 you, boy.

    You were clearly buffed or the target debuffed. The fact is you are trying to trick people here. I am in HotM right now and I see the numbers you can get.

    Do you also do dps tests at the PvE golem with all boons and buffs enabled and then join a discussion about how good core necro is at damage?

    Yes, you caught me. I hired a Druid to share spotter with me in order to trick clueless players at the Guild Wars 2 forums in playing meme builds. Have mercy, daddy.

    This conversation is gone in a few minutes. Thank me later!

    That thought had occurred to me lol. At least I had some juicy reads.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:
    And now please without the 25 vulnerability stack!

    You know that this build can't even generate 25 stacks of vulnerability. Just hit 5.6k with 5 stacks. Argue as much as you want, I told you it would hit 5k with Life Blast and it does. I won the Internet points, I took you honor and your anime waifu is now mine. Besides that you are so bad I could facetank you with this build with walking speed set on default and still 100-0 you, boy.

    You were clearly buffed or the target debuffed. The fact is you are trying to trick people here. I am in HotM right now and I see the numbers you can get.

    Do you also do dps tests at the PvE golem with all boons and buffs enabled and then join a discussion about how good core necro is at damage?

    Yes, you caught me. I hired a Druid to share spotter with me in order to trick clueless players at the Guild Wars 2 forums in playing meme builds. Have mercy, daddy.

    This conversation is gone in a few minutes. Thank me later!

    That thought had occurred to me lol. At least I had some juicy reads.

    Pretending superiority like only a true idiot can do it. When you have grown up you will run into people laughing at you for such pathetic attempts on a daily basis. Thank me later for the advice.

    Thank you, Senpai ^_^

    You are welcome. Actually more people should take their time to educate the kids.

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:

    @KrHome.1920 said:
    And now please without the 25 vulnerability stack!

    You know that this build can't even generate 25 stacks of vulnerability. Just hit 5.6k with 5 stacks. Argue as much as you want, I told you it would hit 5k with Life Blast and it does. I won the Internet points, I took you honor and your anime waifu is now mine. Besides that you are so bad I could facetank you with this build with walking speed set on default and still 100-0 you, boy.

    You were clearly buffed or the target debuffed. The fact is you are trying to trick people here. I am in HotM right now and I see the numbers you can get.

    Do you also do dps tests at the PvE golem with all boons and buffs enabled and then join a discussion about how good core necro is at damage?

    Yes, you caught me. I hired a Druid to share spotter with me in order to trick clueless players at the Guild Wars 2 forums in playing meme builds. Have mercy, daddy.

    This conversation is gone in a few minutes. Thank me later!

    That thought had occurred to me lol. At least I had some juicy reads.

    Pretending superiority like only a true idiot can do it. When you have grown up you will run into people laughing at you for such pathetic attempts on a daily basis. Thank me later for the advice.

    Thank you, Senpai ^_^

    You are welcome. Actually more people should take their time to educate the kids.

    True! I am glad you took a page out of my book after I educated you about Power Core Necromancer and its incredible Life Blast! This community rocks!

  • @Vancho.8750 said:

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:

    @Kuma.1503 said:

    Bomb + Mortar Kit Engi

    Bombs are a meme. Slow to activate, A over-telegraphed toolbelt skill with very little payoff. Damage that you can simply walk out of. But there are a few aspects to bomb kit that can be oppressive under the right circumstances. Namely:

    Smoke Bomb + Flash Shell + Explosive Entrance + Flashbang + Invigorating Speed.

    If running tools you can run Streamlined kits for easy access to swiftness, which will proc Vigor from Invorating Speed. You can also run Adrenal Implant for a total of +90% endurance regen when Vigor is up. What this means is more dodges, more flashbang procs, more dazes when the opponent is on high health, and most importantly, more blinds.

    If the sidenode meta ever shifts to be more melee heavy this build will frustrate players with its endless blind spam.

    Burn Staff Ele

    Very few people take staff ele seriously. It's an easy kill, but damage, as we've seen keeps creeping lower and lower. Hard hitters like Holo and Rev have slowly been receiving nerfs. Other builds that can bully it like thief have also been getting nerfed steadily. If damage continues to creep lower, this build will make a comeback.

    It's a very easy build to gain value on. Simply press Signet of Fire, then press Fire 3. Very little tell, very little cast time. If you have allies to provide cover condis, you can spike people down in no time at all. Afterwards, simpy cycle through defensive cooldowns for 12 seconds until your burst is up again. If allowed to freecast, you have a good amount of AoE pressure crowd control. What makes this build oppressive is it's ease of use. It has a 2 button burst rotation with very little tell that happens from range. It may not see much use in plat, but lower ranks will complain if this starts seeing play.

    Ventari Rev

    Supports are a dying breed in PvP. Scrapper, scourge, druid, and firebrand have all received heavy nerfs which have seen their removal from the meta. Should healbreaker and tempest also receive nerfs, this build may eventually rise to the top.

    Similar to staff ele, if damage also continues to creep lower, this build's weakness of being focused will become less of an issue. It can heal, cleanse, and even crowd control opponents while being locked down itself. If damage is lowered enough, this build will be able to keep itself alive even in the middle of a CC chain. No other support can do this. You will see complaints such as "make tablet destructable" or "add a cast time to ventari heals. It shouldn't be able to heal itself while locked down".

    Counterplay exists for each of these builds right now, but as options are removed, and more builds are nerfed, counterplay will also be reduced. PvPers of the past would have laughed if they saw a Renegade in their game, now it's the hot topic of the forums. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

    Didn't we have same complaints (make tablet destroyable owmagawd) back in the HoT ventari decap days? I wouldn't be surprised to see the wheel turn again. Déjà vu...

    That would have been an incredibly stupid suggestion as the whole point of that build was to destroy the tablet as fast and frequently as possible. Though the average forum poster here is incredibly stupid so it wouldn't be surprising.

    Well it worked the same way decap engi worked but it was also a healer, so it could kitten up team fights and sidenodes, imagine if they didnt nerf it before and it stayed hidden till now, at least 3 to 4 months of perma cc, then again CMC can't touch functionality so a year of it maybe.

    Decap Scrapper was much worse than tablet spam Ventari. Yeah one healed people but the explosion was very telegraphed and meant the Rev was always at extremely low energy. Scrappers was unblockable and could yeet just as often with much less tell and had barrier, and Ventari got nerfed very quickly compared to decap Scrapper.

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:
    What did I just read?

    I'll be honest, I asked myself the same thing and I wrote it

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 24, 2020

    Any build that becomes meta will be complained about and subsequently nerfed, regardless of whether or not it is fair. Balancing efforts are heavily geared toward rotating the meta manually rather than making the meta self-changing without major outside intervention.

    If you have a viable off-meta build, keep it under wraps.

    The "Balance" is a fantasy -- another mortal superstition.