Zaret.1450

Im sorry for what im about to say but id prefer if anet just erased the hole revenant class from the game and introduced a new class in the next expansion with good elites , i know condivrev works fine , heal is also not bad , and alacrigade , sry to say but having to press one button to get 10 people alac permanent is broken and boring( at least it should need a bit more efford so its not boring) , the problem i see is , we keep asking them for a decent power build for raid , we got something acceptable but still too far from the metas ( and it happens with other classes too , i mean you shouldnt have a difference in almost 10k dmg between dps classes unless you create a niche for them , like nigro epi wich is very usefull in some bosses) also i understand not every class can be meta in everything (wait dragonhunter is meta power, condi, and quickness , good healing and good tank...)So the thing i dont understand is why Anet keeps nerfing things from rev when we ask for buffs and if you look at it youll see even buffing it rev would only get in the middle tables , now we got cor , dmg reduced ,understandable as it hit hard but as it was our only dmg reliable skill at least mahe hammer 3,5 AA faster to compensate, it bugged and didnt hit , well as far as i have played now it hits but seems it still has bugs so fix it as fast as possible , range , how did someone thought that making it not hit melee targets was fine ? I mean youre literaly hitting the floor with a hammer if you have someone at melee range he would be hit by the hammer at least so please stop that nonsense (it also looks awfull).And that is only the most recent "stop playing rev already " nerf we got so far , if they hate the class , that got introduced with an expansion and WE PAID FOR at least tell us so we stop using it and erase it from the game .

Infact on a full power dmg build in raid the GM trait for battle scars is better than the 20^50%hp trait , maybe not a huge margin because power revenant is weak but i think it was 1k dps difference more or less, and also is a lifesteal so...

Well it is true that you dont realy need to use a line with a legend , at least in theory but when it comes to reality youll find that in a lot of ocasions you have todo exactly that , for example in raids , in a condibuild you have to use mallinx and kalla and you have to use corruption and renegade , yes you can use either invocation or devastation but that is because invo fits in every build as it mostly is used as energy management for its GM trait charged mists , and deva is just a dmg trait line. A healing build might be able to choose herald or rene but right now in raid rene alacrity is just too good to choose anything over it and so the lines would be salvation- elite- and again invo for energy management,deva for dmg (wich being a healer maybe its not that important ) , or maybe retribution to make sure you survive and can heal in a training.As for a power build , well there you just have deva- invo- renegade, double swords as weapons and shiro-kalla as legends , its not that its the best between the builds for power by 2-3k , its the only decent-being one of the weakest -builds for power builds in raid , i get it you dont need to have builds for every roll you cant be meta in everything ...Oh yes guardian still exists and warrior too , ranger also has builds for almost every roll , chrono is the same .What i mean is rev is suposed to be the jack of all trades , more or less, but as a fact were only a good option either condi or as an alacrity source , and thats not even in the game as a hole but in one mode in the other modes there are similar problems with diferent builds , so in fact how can it be that a class designed suposedly to be a jack of all trades in fact is not a jack of all trades(and by that i mean its suposed to fit all the roles in a decet way but having other clases outplay in a specific roll ,like guardian but not being META in everybuild ) well it must be because it bust be a limited class in some traits , legends , weapons that makes certainbuilds tooweak .I dont need it to be meta but it should be a middle table class everywere that offers more versatility than the others and more place for changes and adaptation.

Well i dont think rev healer would be a problem i mean you can alwais have both ventary and kalla or shiro to have oth heal and dmg buffs and also the condi build for rev , even if buffed wouldnt be that bad as its a group buffIn fact it would just make rev condi as good as a firebrand and bring a bit more utility

Yes i think that would be good , i mean invocation is about legends so it could have traits meant to be selfish( like fury traits ) traits meant to buff in a group and traits meant to strengthen legend swap and energy management , and i think a trait caled legendary presence with that buffs could fit just fine , in devastation maybe just having dance of the dead as a scar trait and giving shiro skills scar stacks by default would solve some problems and free slots, also the trait meant to increase our energy in swap should be something like:" increase the legend base energy to 75 and if youre below 15 energy in the swap you start in the new legend with 100 energy.Now in kalla maybe making a trait that reduces summons energy cost or cds or that increases dmg instead of only bleed dmg .And for herald focusing it around giving a wider variety of buffs like quickness or resistance , or even unique buffs .Also if we talk about battle scars more in detail maybe giving kalla and glint a way to stack scars by themself with traits , i know it is a shiro unique feature but maybe a way to mix legend features to get even stronger would be a good direction to follow with revenant as we have seen that having completely separated legends make us too weak and its too difficult to manage with no reward

Also i think battle scars traits are suposed to be like kind of dueling traits to help surviving on 1vs1 or 1vs group , i dont realy mind those traits being there.In fact i think both herald and renegade need much more the changes than the core lines.

Well if were talking about traits that would be better in other lines i think you could as well take assasin presence from devastation and put it into invocation changed so it gives a differrnt buff in each legend , after all more than a dmg trait is a group suport buff and that would let us free to take notoriety and thus increase our overall dmg wich to tell the truth needs a little buff

The thing is rev is made to be a jack off all trades and even if the desighn is good the result is at most mediocre .Just to make a comparison we have guardian , a class originaly designed (at least i supose so because its name is GUARDIAN and not god) to be a tank that can also buff with shouts or make dmg but focused in survive, now we get dh and fb two elites one focused in crit dmg and other focused around burns and buffs with mantras , what is the trick ? Well guardian has very good core weapons like gs , scepter, sword or healing wepons like hammer and staff, also it has its traits made so they conplement with elites alnost perfectly . The result is a master of all trades , you can go full power and be meta , full condi and be meta , buff with unique boons and even the healer would be meta if the druid hadnt got its spirits .On the other hand revenant has TOO LITTLE WEAPON OPTIONS only one power weapon (sword ) because hammer now is even more shit and staff is more utility amd heal than dmg , in condi we at least have hammer/axe and short bow so condis are fine ( you can think whatever you want at least condi has a swap be it better or worse ) for heal only staff gives a little with that orbs wich are stupid (come on would it be that difgicult to just give a small area heal in the third AA instead of some orbs that some times are not even used ? , ranged weapons i think i already said it but ill repeat ,HAMMER IS TOOOOOO SLOOOOOOW ,come on just make it a bit faster or buff the dmg of those long casting skills or at the very least GIVE BACK HAMMER 2 to what it was before because now its nonsense and shortbow , well , im not a pvp player but i think pvp revs have a couple of things to say about sb skills so MAYBE you shouldt listen to them.Now traits , revs have one trait line per legend , then invocation and then the elites that are suposed to conplement the HUGE holes the trait lines have .Now why are heralds in danger of extintion ? Dont know but maybe it is because it is only a good elite when you are playing on your own when most "high end" is in groups, i mean fractals , raid , wvw, pvp all of that is in groups and while heralds might have some spots in pvp and wvw those are very very limited , more each day , i like all the facet stuff but it is bad implemented , instead of giving some comon buffs , because fury , power and swiftness are pretty comon( and power doesnt even stack to 25 unless you trait all the power traits even with concentration wich os something other classes dont need ) so you could just give facets either rare buffs as quickness alac resistance or make those facets five unique buffs like druid spirits , and now that spirits can be moved you wouldnt even need to make those buffs weaker than druid ones ( well maybe a little bit ) this way and with a couple changes to shield you can get either a tank with unique buffs and decent dmg for a change , a herald healer like a druid but a bit different for those bored of druid and you could use this sup centered elite to make kalla more dmg based changing some traits .For kalla... First i dont get why the summons are that weak , i mean i get you dont want them to be like necro wels but they consume OUR RESOURCE wich is energy and have BOTH CD AND AN ENERGY COST OF AROUND 25 when surprise surprise THE MAX ENERGY WE USUALY HAVE IS 75 wich means 2KALLA SKILLS GET US UNDER 20 ENERGY so we either use a weapon skillAGAIN WITH CD AND ENERGY COST or we spend the time with AA till we get UNDER 10 ENERGY TO HAVE 75 IN THE LSWAP i mean REALY? Couldnt you at least get us 100 energy in the swap when we have to loose time to get under 10 energy ?Wich also gets me to other problem , am i the only one that allwais either dont have energy to use skills or dont have skills to spend energy ? I dont know maybe im just stupid but i think if you are going to make a class with cd and energy cost you should at least make it so it is intuitive to use one skill to spend energy if you have too much or to have a low cost skill when you are low in energy .More than that well just to tell you all dont get me wrong i like how rev have got some changes that i think are good and im thankfull for them but that doesnt mean the havent done changes that completely trow tp the trash the class and the gameplay in some ocasions .Also this is an opinion that you can or not share coming from someone that has been frustrated with the class for some time because i like the concept but it just feels bad playing sometimes , didnt want to disrespect

Can we stop having childs kitten cry about how strong the revenant is when it is the most nerfed and bugged class in the game , man if you cant even evade revs hammer skills its your problem because it spends a year casting all its skills , also the evade is half of the times buged .Hammer should hit like a truck seen how slow it is , swords should hit like a truck because they are the only power melee weapon we have , and cds and energy cost should be lowered on most of the skills because right now we have double the cost ANY OTHER CLASS has in its skills AND THEY CAN CHOOSE ITS SKILLS WICH IS SOMETHING WE CANT DO seriously how many revs have you seen that use all of their skills , we are limited to at most 3 UTILITYES IN EACH LEGEND WITH COSTS OF HALF THE ENERGY BAR AND HUGE CDS also the legend swap has a cd to start again with 50 energy when the SKILLS COST 30 ENERGY.If you want to cry cry about how guardians can do everything and can go everywhere being META or how warriors are ALMOST IMMORTAL WHILE HITTING LIKE TRUCKSJust come on criing about rev? Even rev mains hate how our class is being nerfed and bugged over and over again .Advise try a class before criing about it

Well maybe if the pathing was fixed it would be needed to fix that dmg but seeing as its pathing is buged i think that 20k just compensates for all the cors we fail because of the bug , also if the pathing was fixed it still should hit fir 20k because it is the only usefull skill we have in hammer , like, hitting with the other hammer skills is difficult because its too slow and also the dmg you get wen you actualy hit with them is a joke

For bombardment maybe it would be better if the core skill was a lone bomb ,maybe even a bit smaller area and when traited then it gets more bombs or in a bigger area , dunno an idea to get rid of the rng because i dont think there are more clases with a rng area skill like us, id even understand uf the dmg were lowered a bit to compensate having a not rng skill( at least it would be a sure dmg skill)

Ill agree with you with that video benchmark.Even so you should take in count that most people will only look at arkdps and not the game dps.(Theres no profound meaning just saing the game and arcdps dontvusually get same numbers)

Im not sure about the legend lore but talking about skills i want skills that you can use both in a pve enviroment and in pvp , most of our legends have something in comon and that is the disparity between pvp and pve , i know the game modes are different but revenant legends have too much disparity in skills , for example in high end pve for power you only use IO in shiro because all the other skills are much more pvp centered while in pvp IO is much less used , for mallinx in pve you use the ult and almost nothing else , in general for pve the most usefull are usually the upkeeps while the non upkeep seem more pvp centered and much more utility centered .With that said id prefer having less utility in the legend and more direct dmg , at least one dmg outside of the upkeep if the elite is dmg focused.Next id prefer if the new elite would be either power centered or hybrid , kalla might be hybrid but it still is better for condi than power( the complete elite , traits , weapon etc) and glint elite is much more centered around a support / healer with generic boons .Also i would like anet to look at energy and cds and get rid of one of those for the elite, im sorry but it is a fact that right now the energy management , cd management and legend swap management affrct one another in a cluncky way in some builds , i understand that spaming strong skills is bad for balance and i like the energy mecanick but right now the energy cap is around 75 with charged mists and the strongest skills have a cost that varies from 20 to 35 , legend skills, with cds ofbaround 13 seconds , that makes that in some legends after using 2 skills you dont have energy to use on other usefull skills while in other legends you dont use some skills in a game mode and that makes you lose time autoatacking till the few skills you have are out of cd.In conclusion some legends have too high energy cost and others cant spend the energy in useful things.

Well Imposible odds is deffinitely not enought dmg increase as it is right now , at least for pve power revenant , and also sword 5 is already a tp so you dont realy need both .Also you dont necesarily need to change AP for another dmg modificator and you could put an utility trait like recovering energy with siphons or giving boons to movement skills .

If you want to save energy you could as well combine riptosing shadows and phase traversal so a first cast is tiptosing and a second cast is phase , energy cost 35 for both casts and a cd of 10 secs so it isnt too strong(it would maintain the boons).With this you reduce the overall energy cost and the free slot can be used to create a skill , id suggest a skill that launches a jade spear or for example 5 jade daggers with for example 1400 dmg that increases when hitting from behind the target or that resets its cd or reduces energy cost from behind , id make its cost 20 energy and 10 secs cd ( depending on the dmg)

Well power renegade is a bit better, you can use it, but it is in a similar position to power reaper (more or less).About the changes i liked them, we need more changes to get rev to its full potencial but its a good first step.If it were me i would mix the 2 movility skills from shiro into one like the old ranger sword skill(evasion backwards and leap as second cast) , and in the slot left i would get a dmg skill ( something like a guardian sumoned sword , like a jade projectile or similar).Also this one might be unpopular but what if we changed assasins precence to invocation and named it legendary presence? I mean i know AP is not a bad trait but this way we could be a little more greedy in devastation wich i think fits more with the tematic of shiro and we would get a good area buff like spotter but with different effects depending on the legend we use wich i think fits fine in invocation .At least i think rev should have more unique buff and not just the few boons we get like fury power etc , we need something to get a little spotlight even if only as suports and i think it would be just fine this way , it could work like this: in shiro it gives 150power , jalis 150thoughness, ventari could be 150 healing , mallinx could be expertice(condi duration) glint could be boonduration and finaly got kalla you could have a mix 75feroc 75 condidmg or you could do it more unique and share kallas fervor to your allies.

Ok some points first .Its true that jalis was a good shiro partner for power builds in the oast but now it is centered around dmg reduction wich is something it does great but its dmg is very low and thats why if shiro is on par to jalis it means it does too low dmg.Also when i talked about burst of strenght i think i said how glint part of the rota was , if i didntvits my mistake , but it works more or less this way : you need to have at least heal , ult and either nature or other upkeep to get the dmg buff from the trait , then you use burst of strenght and the consume from elements , then you use sword 4,5 and2 to get the most dmg out of it wich leaves you with low energy and a lot of energy drain , also herald cantvtake charged mists if he wants to get 100 crit chance so you allwais have at most 50 energy , in this case to keep up the dmg you can try to consume ult and wait till you can use burst before swaping wich means a lot of AA or change to shiro and do AA anyway so burst realy doesnt help that much.Also inthe mater of weapons i agree and disagree .I agree that hammer shouldnt have as much dps as swords because its ranged but there are cases of ranged weapons that are usefull maintaining dps while waiting for the bursts , dragonhunter for example or even reaper wich doesnt have too much dps can use its axe to a certain level but hammer is incredibly slow in all its attacks and its dmg isnt enought to compensate .Axe offhand has power dmg but it is too low to even consider it a power hybrid ( one skill is movility and the other is a torment attack )Mace is condi through and throughStaff is a suport weapon , cc heal and a dmg acording to its utilityShortbow is the only who could be caled a hybrid and even then all its attacks work much better appliing condis than direct dmg , not for nothing it is used in all condi raid builds .Now Imposible odds works apliing a second hit (not sure if that hit aplies condis too but it is possible looking at the numbers ) aniway kalla has a bigger dmg output than shiro in condi builds (i dont use that build but if kalla is better must have a reason)About the 100percent crit for rene , in raids you usualy have allwais fury and you dont usualy need to evade ( yes sometimes you have to but usualy you can either jump mechanics or move out with quickness , i didnt intend to talk ill or something but even taking as little precision as posible i have 117% crit chance with spotter and banners so you have a bit of place for errors .And about the kallas fervor the fact is that the dmg % it gives to condi is much higher than 150 ferocity and i think it is something important to know more so when a trait that increases it to 250 is overperformed by a skill that has a lot of rng in it like citadel bombardment.Nowbwith this said i dont want to talk ill to anyone but right now condi builds , even if they dont have a lot of options it has good options that work realy fine while power is underperforming a lot and is much more restricted because only sw/sw works fine and only sb could be helpfull in very certain cases in wich you have to use ranged yes or yes , again if someone thinks condi is worse than power the beat way is doing benchmarks by yourself and showing the results (on that note its true that power is better now but it is still one of the lowerst dps builds ) .

Also revenant is one of the most restrictive classes in the game , if you think otherway just play it and try different things

First im not restricting myself .Second sword/sword is the only power wepon revenant has , hammer isnt usable in raid and sb is at most in trial progress for power dps.Also if you want to use burst of strength you have to maintain at least 3 upkeep in glint and use nature and burst for the dps with sword skills wich leaves you with almost no energy ( look at the benches and the rotations).Jalis has hammers upkeep and the road to deal dmg and even both together deal less dmg than IO alone with sw skills.Also if shiro is a movility legend more reason to have one that has dmg by itself .And i am talking about POWER DPS not a suport build , yes every power rev has ap and either soulcleave or nature but that is because ap is great and soul and nature juyou dont have more choices realy.Again to talk about raid builds go to sc and try the builds , then if you get something much better than them post it so we can see .

Im talking about raids (high end pve) and if you need someone better to berify it gor you go to snow crows discord ant ask thereJalis being on par with shiro in dps means shiro needs a changeBurst of stregth is used with sword skills for a burst , now what? You hqve to change to shiro and suddenly you spend 10 or more seconds doingAA wich is a dps lossKalla icerazor spends 20 energy and has a cd of 13 secs more or less , citades costs 35 and cd of 16 or so and soulcleave is a -8 upkeep (explanation it consumes energy like a monster)Battle scars is a recent buff but that doesnt mean were broken now if anyone thought that.Also condi builds being worse than power recently? Are you in this year ? Man in all pve the condi builds are much better than de power ones , sc has 2 builds on condi for renegade , one with shiro and other with kalla and both get to 37 k of dps , you know the benches on power? Well there are not sc benches but what i got in rene with kalla was 29 at most , even if i am not great playing i know my stuf so lets asume sc could pull 32 k , now compare (that is if you can realy get to 32 k dps wich i doubt)Also i am triing mixing a sb on a power raid build and for the moment all i can say is that you dont loose much dps. But you dont gain either.Also kallas fervor? Really? You know that even in small hitboxes bosses its better to use the trait that buffs citadel bombardment instead of the one that buffs kallas fervor ? Even being a rng attack citadel does more dmg .Also being power renegade already gives you 100% crit rate with a minor trait so maybe you should look at your renegade again.In conclusion people asking for more condition options dont realy play revenant nor know the class in depth , and sorry for saing it this way but im tired of this , mace axe and shortbow are 2 percectly good sets of weapons for condi , and also mallinx and kalla or mallinx shiro allow you to apply condis perfectly fine, maybe pvp is different but talking about pve the build in need is the powee one .If you dont agree go to the golem and try both power and confi sc builds , when you have done both then you can complain

To be honest, I'd consider both to be far better partners for a power build than a condi build. Kalla seems like a fit for condi at first glance, but then you realise that the bleed spirit is not worth the time or the energy and everything else is power. Glint is... decent, because might adds to condi and Elemental Blast gives burns and chill, but she's probably still a better fit for power than condi, and Jalis also has decent power damage through hammers. Well in fact it doesnt work.1 kalla traits are focused in condi dmg and the sb (rene weapon ) is also more condi focused .Glint legend is bad , plainly bad, all its boons are incredibly comon in other classes and you cant get all of the 5 either because of the huge energy drain, ant the consumes arent that good either, elements has 3 diferent tics that applye burn chill and vulne , in power you aply vulne with everithing ,and i mean everything , 2 burn stacks are like nothing and the chill is useles as you have much much better chill sources ,also the dmg is low , the dms buff is good(20%) bad luck you have nothing to pair it with , glints ult is like shiros ,a cc incredibly slow and obvious that deals low dmg , the heal on the other way is great , and the traits in glint are a mess , even when they look good and reasonable then you get to use herald and its a mess , you try to be a little greedy and you are overperformed by everything and if you want to share boons and other buffs you just dont have anything better than the other classes, shield? One world SHIT , a heal and cleanse that you will probably never use and a block that not only gets you stuck but that blocks less things than other classes and does more bad than good .And jalis legend is full tank ,hammers are 1 skill and its dmg is lowJust so everyone know power revenant is the class with less options in the entire game , plain and simple , in pve for power you use Impossible odds in shiro , sword2,4 and 5 , kallas ult , icerazor and citadel bombardment, and you alwais have either not enought energy to use skills due to the UNBALANCED HUGE COST or too much because THE 2 SKILLS YOU CAN USE ARE ON CD , on the condi build its diferent because you have sb and hamer/axe and you stack condis.So dont tell me there is any good legend in revenant for power because even shiro wich is the suposed assasin/power legend has a mediocre power dmg at most .Anet give rev a power legend and a power weapon (i dont even care the legend lore anymore ) and erase the current herald from the game and redo it because it isnt even funny anymore.

Revenant is easy in fact , just add a legend that can help shiro in a power dps build because that is the only thing the rev is realy missing.(and no either glint nor kalla are realy good shiro partners for power builds just the only options abaliable )

I would give the block to sw2 instead of sw4 because actualy sw4 is the best dps skill swords have and if changed it would get nerfed in dmg wich would be bad for pve builds and i think to pvp builds too .For CoR i would give hammer in general more dmg and cor itself maybe making it shorter or making it so you cant "spam it" i mean a bit longer cd but with the hammer dmg increased in general to make is a usable weapon.In shield either let you move , being able to block everything or giving it a pulse of healing or some boon for aliesSb maybe trident threatment ? And sb 2 a bit more comftable for pvpAs for sotm i dont think the cast is needed

PvE Power Rev is in the best place it's been in for at least the past 2 years now. Alacrity Rene remains meta for CM/T4s, but you could still deliver an honest showing as a Sw/Sw Herald/Shiro. For OW the rework to battle scars has improved survivability on Herald substantially, though it still suffers from lack of condition cleanse available to both Condi and Alacrene builds, but simply swapping in a sigil can fix that. I agree with some things and disagree with others so lets clarify some things.1 i know rev is stronger now than it has been for a long time due to the last patch buffs but that doesnt mean its in a good place for a power class in raids (its not bad but it still needs some changes)2 I was talking about power dps not alac rene wich is a sup with some dps.3 I suggest you to try a renegade power build because it is a bit better than herald for power dps4 While i agree that battle scars is very good as it also gives more dps than swift termination and some siphon , when we talk about a dps build it doesnt realy need to have that level of self sustain as in raid you have healers , and the same for condi cleanses (And remember that im talking about pve not pvp nor wvw )All in all i agree , power dps revenant is not bad but it still isnt good either , im talking as someone that isnt a great player but has spent a decent amount of time triing rotas and playing revenant and the power builds are by far the most akward to play , you can only use sw/sw shiro and either kalla or glint , glint is a spam of its facets to get some boons for the group that they dont realy need as someone elses gives that boons better and your dps is much lower than most other dps clases, in kalla you get a bit more dps but you are stuck in soulcleave and icerazor with long cds , as well as citadel , not to talk about the huge amount of energy that skills need when at most you have 75 with charged mists , now shiro is great you just have to push IO , let the character do AA till you have sw skills off cd and triing to get in a citadel bombardment because the power dps centered spec has no skill that deals dmg but it has 2 movility skills that should be joined in my opinion , an elite that only gives cc and drains all your energy and IO that is a great skill with nothing to pair up.Rev traits after the rework are great (maybe buff a bit notoriety so it is a real option against AP?) but the power weapons and legend are needed of something to pair up with , for example if we joined both mov skills from shiro and introduced a direct dmg skill to help maintain dps and drain a bit energy or got a weapon like sb that can keep casting skills in the right order and doesnt need to spam AA it would solve everything (talking about that maybe its worth looking at a power build with sb? Ill try looking at it)

Ty for the explanationI just want 2 things from Arenanet1 that we get a power dps elite spec for revenant2 that they stop overpowering warriors and guardians( its just stupid to have a banner warrior in raids whose dps is on par or even better than the dpss themselves , and guardian is meta in almost all of its builds while other clases are forgotten)