With 9 DE Meta Wins, I have some feedback

[Vexona.6452]

Dear Anet;

Thank you for this meta. It showcases the culmination of your entire game from Tequatl to Dragon's Stand, across the deserts of Elonia and over the Jade Sea. I'm really impressed with the sheer amount of technical work that went into making this meta. I do believe it's mostly accessible, but there's a few things I want to highlight.

"Wisp/Soul Phase"

During this phase the dark blue wisps are physically impossible for anyone on the blue-red or blue-green colour blind spectrum to see. Please consider making these white so they are physically able to perform this mechanic

"Tail Slam Phase"

During the tail phase with Whirlpools and Bubbles, both of which are obtuse mechanics. At this time we have people die on whirlpools and get back because if Soo-Won's breakbar is visible, we're not using it on Whirlpools. Similarly, bubbles have too high of an HP bubble, please consider toning down their hit points or increasing 1 damage. I should also point out that the telegraph for both of these are nearly under the platform, so again, anyone on the blue-green or blue-red colour blind spectrum cannot see these.

Breakbar Numbers

Why? Please remove the numbers and consider a simple "breakbar ability" text anyway. There are no meaningful numbers on any mob's healthpool or breakbar pool so 200, 100, 231 (??) is meaningless. You're also missing several key breakbar abilities that work but there's no text. We need consistency.

Floating Combat Text

Needs to be removed from the middle of a mob's head. It seriously impacts visual clarity and most numbers, again, are meaningless unless we have a meter installed. At the very lease, allow us to suppress the numbers.

Rewards

During any other long meta, such as Tangled Depths for Chak Gerant, we are given some nice rewards between check points. A lot of people feel they are missing out on an hours worth of farming in order to get a 10 stack buff only. Consider some nice checkpoint chests for people to loot.

Contribution

All of my successful runs has had an alacrity in each group. If an Alac is pulled during wisp phase it seriously impacts our damage. Please add a 2% alac buff so even if our Alac is gone, we're not completely out of our time limit.

Conclusion

You have really outdone yourselves! I have proven that even new players, "casual" players, WvW players, can absolutely win this meta. The same people who thought they could raid are definitely prepared to start raiding if they wanted to. While this IS a meta to end all metas and the culmination of all your amazing work, please consider a few accessibility tweaks for our fellow gamers. Thank you!

 

[Slowpokeking.8720]

I have won it days ago, but I don't think I'm better, just lucky.

 

What should we do when the team members on the map don't do well? 

[FortyTwo.8697]

Developers at ArenaNet, I have something to ask of you. Could you please lock the mount of the next expansion behind platinum PvP rating? I'm sure the PvE crowd will absolutely love that and just "git gud". Thank you in advance.

[Vexona.6452]

1 hour ago, Slowpokeking.8720 said:

What should we do when the team members on the map don't do well? 

We go again. Once people have seen the fight, the second time is easier and so forth. EoD hasn't been out that long; go do a search on the other end-game events that have dropped. Every time people are frustrated at learning, they drop the mechanics and then people caring about the content.

If you fail you have to ask yourself why you failed. Then you adjust. You communicate with people who have won. What worked, what didn't, how to make the wisp phase quick. You practice your CC during the escort event and make sure both teams can make the breakbar limit on platform splits because we can't use EMPs. You adjust your build so you have personal CC to break the bars and give you more time on the main platform. You breathe in and out.

People are getting their eggs in less time than they did on the Skyscale and they're getting them because they're working on bettering their mechanics and their awareness. Is that so wrong?

[Slowpokeking.8720]

55 minutes ago, Vexona.6452 said:

We go again. Once people have seen the fight, the second time is easier and so forth. EoD hasn't been out that long; go do a search on the other end-game events that have dropped. Every time people are frustrated at learning, they drop the mechanics and then people caring about the content.
 

How? Next time it's a different map, even if you stay ppl leave.

 

 

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If you fail you have to ask yourself why you failed. Then you adjust. You communicate with people who have won. What worked, what didn't, how to make the wisp phase quick. You practice your CC during the escort event and make sure both teams can make the breakbar limit on platform splits because we can't use EMPs. You adjust your build so you have personal CC to break the bars and give you more time on the main platform. You breathe in and out.

People are getting their eggs in less time than they did on the Skyscale and they're getting them because they're working on bettering their mechanics and their awareness. Is that so wrong?

 

I don't have to ask myself, what I could do is little among a 40-50 ppl group. Get it right, you don't win this meta by yourself, but your luck to get into a good team.

 

I tried my best in the first fight and we got 30%, 2nd time 27%, the third time I didn't do any better and we passed with secs left. I got my turtle not because I'm better than many ppl, but simply got lucky.

 

Skyscale is long and annoying YES, but at least I do it with myself rather than had to rely on others in most of the case.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Slowpokeking.8720

[White Dragon.5429]

2 hours ago, Vexona.6452 said:

Similarly, bubbles have too high of an HP bubble, please consider toning down their hit points or increasing 1 damage. I should also point out that the telegraph for both of these are nearly under the platform, so again, anyone on the blue-green or blue-red colour blind spectrum cannot see these.

Wait,  there's telegraphs for bubbles and whirlpools? I've been looking for them and never seen anything. 

[iPhyre.4183]

1 hour ago, White Dragon.5429 said:

Wait,  there's telegraphs for bubbles and whirlpools? I've been looking for them and never seen anything. 

yea, i didnt know either. 1 in 12 men are colorblind, whereas 1 in 200 women are colorblind.  i know i am colorblind with green/red particularly.

[Borked.6824]

You're telling us what you did to beat the boss, but you're not telling us how get the map's inhabitants to get to that point.  The former has been loosely known for a while now.

[lunaticdawn.1860]

3 hours ago, FortyTwo.8697 said:

Developers at ArenaNet, I have something to ask of you. Could you please lock the mount of the next expansion behind platinum PvP rating? I'm sure the PvE crowd will absolutely love that and just "git gud". Thank you in advance.

how about pushing it even further?  In next expansion, to unlock the new spec, first you need to do an extremely hard raid to get an new spec approval letter, then winning ranked pvp matches with the new spec on to gain hero points just for the new spec, I'm sure players are god-like skilled pro gamer after fully unlock the new spec, dont stop here we have new mastery and mounts lock behind a raid-like open world meta again.

[Chaba.5410]

        Alacs should not do wisps. Better if dps-only does.  

[Hotride.2187]

5 hours ago, FortyTwo.8697 said:

Developers at ArenaNet, I have something to ask of you. Could you please lock the mount of the next expansion behind platinum PvP rating? I'm sure the PvE crowd will absolutely love that and just "git gud". Thank you in advance.

Yeah, after reading all the "this meta is great, l2p" from raiders, this is what I want next. Platinum isn't even hard to get, so that is generous.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Hotride.2187

[yann.1946]

5 minutes ago, Hotride.2187 said:

Yeah, after reading all the "this meta is great, l2p" from raiders, this is what I want next. Platinum isn't even hard to get, so that is generous.

It is not only raiders who said "gid gud" though, and there are raiders who asked for a nerf.

Maybe your biases are showing. 😛

 

On a more important note, please dont look at just the extremes. There were a plethora of people who liked the meta, didnt want a nerf and still wanted changes. In the same way  that not all people asking for nerfs want the meta to be gutted difficulty wise.

[Vexona.6452]

3 hours ago, Chaba.5410 said:

Alacs should not do wisps. Better if dps-only does.  

Alac and healers, yep. Gotta burn the thornhearts and get what you can down while the wisps get to the top. Someone said the wisp phase is like a JP but I disagree; you keep hopping up until you get it, there's no right or wrong path.

[Katastroff.1045]

I've been on 2 full run with Vexona.6452, 1 fail and 1 win.
Is the fight hard?
Yes.
Is the fight fun?

Yes.
Do you need to organize?
Yes.
Should it be nerfed?
no.

Should it be tuned?

Yes.
If she can take a filthy casual scrub like me in her group and get a win, that makes what she's saying worth listening to.

Thanks again and i sure will be joining with you again for some more cheeves.🤩

[Chaba.5410]

Do your successful meta attempts include cheesing the scaling of Soo-Won for the first 20% by having people stay on the platform below until spawning?

[aspirine.6852]

So far 2 tries, one major fail and one giant fail.. If I do manage to get it done, and I dont see how I will never do it again. It is not fun, it is chaos, it is visual aids and it is everything I dont like in a game.. congrats for outdoing yourself..

[Ailis.7910]

17 hours ago, White Dragon.5429 said:

Wait,  there's telegraphs for bubbles and whirlpools? I've been looking for them and never seen anything. 

 

15 hours ago, iPhyre.4183 said:

yea, i didnt know either. 1 in 12 men are colorblind, whereas 1 in 200 women are colorblind.  i know i am colorblind with green/red particularly.

whaaaaat? what are the telegraphs? I've been running this fight nearly constantly since last Thursday with no wins and I've never noticed a cue for those beyond the audio (which is frak all for your D/deaf/HOH players). Is it in the middle of all the visual clutter because whew. No. 

[White Dragon.5429]

8 hours ago, Ailis.7910 said:

 

whaaaaat? what are the telegraphs? I've been running this fight nearly constantly since last Thursday with no wins and I've never noticed a cue for those beyond the audio (which is frak all for your D/deaf/HOH players). Is it in the middle of all the visual clutter because whew. No. 

My brother told me today that there's a red ring that appears, but it's 1/2 the thickness of normal enemy AoE circles and the transparency is turned up (more transparent), so it's practically impossible to see with all the visual noise in the fight.

[difens.1326]

On 3/10/2022 at 4:29 AM, Vexona.6452 said:

If you fail you have to ask yourself why you failed. Then you adjust. You communicate with people who have won. What worked, what didn't, how to make the wisp phase quick. You practice your CC during the escort event and make sure both teams can make the breakbar limit on platform splits because we can't use EMPs. You adjust your build so you have personal CC to break the bars and give you more time on the main platform. You breathe in and out.

People are getting their eggs in less time than they did on the Skyscale and they're getting them because they're working on bettering their mechanics and their awareness. Is that so wrong?

I can tell you why we failed our last attempt.

Every time after we broke her bar, she stayed put for about 3 seconds before deciding to flip. We could just not break it and it would have not made kitten difference. Two or three times we got tail up together with her break bar active. My ability to break bar, do damage and move did not matter at all due to sheer amount of invuln phases the boss did.

What exactly can I learn more where the whole encounter is controlled by RANDOM number generator? I know what to do and how to do it. I cannot do it, because RANDOM number generator does not offer me the chance to do it.

I do not have the luxury of multiple 2-hour windows (each time with different group) to try my LUCK and get into the battle where RANDOM number generator is fair enough.

[sokeenoppa.5384]

On 3/10/2022 at 3:36 AM, Vexona.6452 said:

Dear Anet;

Thank you for this meta. It showcases the culmination of your entire game from Tequatl to Dragon's Stand, across the deserts of Elonia and over the Jade Sea. I'm really impressed with the sheer amount of technical work that went into making this meta. I do believe it's mostly accessible, but there's a few things I want to highlight.

"Wisp/Soul Phase"

During this phase the dark blue wisps are physically impossible for anyone on the blue-red or blue-green colour blind spectrum to see. Please consider making these white so they are physically able to perform this mechanic

"Tail Slam Phase"

During the tail phase with Whirlpools and Bubbles, both of which are obtuse mechanics. At this time we have people die on whirlpools and get back because if Soo-Won's breakbar is visible, we're not using it on Whirlpools. Similarly, bubbles have too high of an HP bubble, please consider toning down their hit points or increasing 1 damage. I should also point out that the telegraph for both of these are nearly under the platform, so again, anyone on the blue-green or blue-red colour blind spectrum cannot see these.

Breakbar Numbers

Why? Please remove the numbers and consider a simple "breakbar ability" text anyway. There are no meaningful numbers on any mob's healthpool or breakbar pool so 200, 100, 231 (??) is meaningless. You're also missing several key breakbar abilities that work but there's no text. We need consistency.

Floating Combat Text

Needs to be removed from the middle of a mob's head. It seriously impacts visual clarity and most numbers, again, are meaningless unless we have a meter installed. At the very lease, allow us to suppress the numbers.

Rewards

During any other long meta, such as Tangled Depths for Chak Gerant, we are given some nice rewards between check points. A lot of people feel they are missing out on an hours worth of farming in order to get a 10 stack buff only. Consider some nice checkpoint chests for people to loot.

Contribution

All of my successful runs has had an alacrity in each group. If an Alac is pulled during wisp phase it seriously impacts our damage. Please add a 2% alac buff so even if our Alac is gone, we're not completely out of our time limit.

Conclusion

You have really outdone yourselves! I have proven that even new players, "casual" players, WvW players, can absolutely win this meta. The same people who thought they could raid are definitely prepared to start raiding if they wanted to. While this IS a meta to end all metas and the culmination of all your amazing work, please consider a few accessibility tweaks for our fellow gamers. Thank you!

 

Breakbar damage numbers are something ppl have been asking alot and they are very important.

[Vexona.6452]

On 3/10/2022 at 11:14 AM, Chaba.5410 said:

Do your successful meta attempts include cheesing the scaling of Soo-Won for the first 20% by having people stay on the platform below until spawning?

We've tried this and the only thing that seems to adjust is the first 5 seconds in the fight but after that the game picks up there's more than 10 people on the platform making the fight harder. So no, we're not doing this.

[Vexona.6452]

14 hours ago, White Dragon.5429 said:

My brother told me today that there's a red ring that appears, but it's 1/2 the thickness of normal enemy AoE circles and the transparency is turned up (more transparent), so it's practically impossible to see with all the visual noise in the figh

In my meta I tell everyone to turn off their model quality to LOW, with everything else to set to whatever, put away wings, minis, turn off whatever excessive bling they have in order to see them. Because yeah, teh telegraphs are pale because they're UNDER theplatform 😠

[Vexona.6452]

On 3/10/2022 at 4:39 AM, Katastroff.1045 said:

If she can take a filthy casual scrub like me in her group and get a win, that makes what she's saying worth listening to.

We just had to clean you up with some extra powerful Soo-Won Bubble Time Action Soap xD But really, you did FANTASTIC!! It was a rush of fights wasn't it?

[Katastroff.1045]

3 minutes ago, Vexona.6452 said:

We just had to clean you up with some extra powerful Soo-Won Bubble Time Action Soap xD But really, you did FANTASTIC!! It was a rush of fights wasn't it?

It was a blast!!!  Too bad Aneth is killing it.😥

[Vexona.6452]

Just now, Katastroff.1045 said:

It was a blast!!!  Too bad Aneth is killing it.😥

If they make it so it's new writs to be earned over (which I was told it was) then it should take people as long as it took Skyscale to unlock. That said- it won't kill it for me. There's still achievements to unlock and a lot of us do enjoy it, plus I have a feeling our rewards are going to go up!