Hellz.3058 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) It's unfun to play into and promotes a certain playstyle. It pretty much makes most power/ranged classes obsolete. Stone heart should be changed to reduce incoming critical dmg rather than being unable to crit at all. Edited July 11, 2022 by Hellz.3058 12 1 4 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurawind.8429 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) I agree, It flat out just needs to reduce crit damage taken. This trait nullifies traits with On-Hit Crit passives AND makes ferocity completely moot. This is far too powerful when all you need to do is camp earth attunement. Edited July 10, 2022 by Aurawind.8429 4 2 2 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.8623 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Yes, it needs a nerf. 5 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) The fact you have to be sitting in earth is enough of a trade off. If anything I feel like each line needs a trait that promotes you camping a attunement for people that want to have a specific role they like to play as ele. Fire -> Damage and High numbers Air -> Mobility and fast cooldowns (Should be) Water -> Strong heals, regens and cleansing Earth -> Heavy defenses, blocks and hard to kill Feel like stone heart is perfectly fine. Edited July 10, 2022 by iKeostuKen.2738 13 3 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.8623 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 2 hours ago, iKeostuKen.2738 said: The fact you have to be sitting in earth is enough of a trade off. If anything I feel like each line needs a trait that promotes you camping a attunement for people that want to have a specific role they like to play as ele. Fire -> Damage and High numbers Air -> Mobility and fast cooldowns (Should be) Water -> Strong heals, regens and cleansing Earth -> Heavy defenses, blocks and hard to kill Feel like stone heart is perfectly fine. Stone heart isn't fine, never was. 2 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Change it to "while in earth attunement you're immune to damaging conditions". Then see how long it lasts until dozens of qq threads appear. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 not gonna lie, Im not sure Anet even know that Earth Traitline even exists 5 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozumi.5816 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 This trait needed to be deleted years ago. 3 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Crab Fear.8623 said: Stone heart isn't fine, never was. What exactly is wrong with it. What is the dangers of a elementalist staying in earth to not be crit? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 People dont like it cuz tempest doesnt go down when they want it to. The average gw2 enjoyer doesnt think passed what is happening on screen 9 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guirssane.7082 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 You can't stay in earth forever, as a support you have to swap water as often as possible. It's not a 100% uptime 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 A new meta class, a new round of nerf threads. 6 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 When I see these kind of thread, I find it funny that the elementalist community was saying that I didn't know nothing when I was telling them to (ab)use this trait in sPvP maybe a year ago when the elementalist community was all "Other professions have more damage reduction, more armor, more toughness and more health than us, it's unfair!". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Dadnir.5038 said: When I see these kind of thread, I find it funny that the elementalist community was saying that I didn't know nothing when I was telling them to (ab)use this trait in sPvP maybe a year ago when the elementalist community was all "Other professions have more damage reduction, more armor, more toughness and more health than us, it's unfair!". Fire was better a year ago because core necros where corrupting boons left and right 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 My personal opinion. Buff Ele to 15k hp since Anet is so hellbent on making this a melee bruiser class. Then start looking into its personal defenses like Stone Heart and Earth shield. These things are as strong as they are for a reason. 5 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellz.3058 Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Guirssane.7082 said: You can't stay in earth forever, as a support you have to swap water as often as possible. It's not a 100% uptime Except that it's used by non support tempests.....it wouldn't be an issue if it were purely a support trait. But when you can do dmg and be immune to receiving dmg it promotes the same bunker playstyle most of the community is trying to move away from Edited July 10, 2022 by Hellz.3058 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellz.3058 Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Dadnir.5038 said: When I see these kind of thread, I find it funny that the elementalist community was saying that I didn't know nothing when I was telling them to (ab)use this trait in sPvP maybe a year ago when the elementalist community was all "Other professions have more damage reduction, more armor, more toughness and more health than us, it's unfair!". This still holds up. Stone heart is only a broken trait in a meta that is primarily power based. A year ago the meta was condi based so stone heart was a near useless trait. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 What weapon is earth attunement doing a lot of damage to someone in? 6 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemdale.1520 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Yes let’s instead have it give 1000+ vitality and some barrier from something and then throw some aegis in there too, I mean why be a pain to just one build when you can be a pain to all of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I think aA good idea would be to decrease incoming damage from ferocity and add a toughness increase or barrier on attune 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Hellz.3058 said: This still holds up. Stone heart is only a broken trait in a meta that is primarily power based. A year ago the meta was condi based so stone heart was a near useless trait. And I'm pretty sure a part of the sPvP community would argue that we are in an heavy condi meta. The thing is that this trait has been here for, what, 7-8 years and people have been sleeping on it because "water traitline is mandatory!" or "Earth traitline is crap!". Stone heart wasn't useless a year ago, elementalist players just weren't willing to try and use it. You've got ton of example across all professions were people just aren't willing to give a try on things that are potentially OP simply because they are sheeps that follow what the god "metabattle" tell them is the best (forgeting that this "god" tell nothing but what a few players agree to share with the community). In any case, if it's currently an "issue" because "the meta is power", then all people have to do is shift toward condi build and thus a condi meta for this trait to be forgotten yet again. You shouldn't ask rock to be nerfed because your scisor can't deal with it, you should just use paper to deal with it. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 20 hours ago, Lincolnbeard.1735 said: Change it to "while in earth attunement you're immune to damaging conditions". Then see how long it lasts until dozens of qq threads appear. That trait exists (mostly) in the same tree, and competes with Stone Heart. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Diamond_Skin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 42 minutes ago, Mariyuuna.6508 said: That trait exists (mostly) in the same tree, and competes with Stone Heart. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Diamond_Skin It is conditional depending only on the enemy. Taking 25% hp in competitive settings isn't that difficult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koensol.5860 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 20 hours ago, iKeostuKen.2738 said: What exactly is wrong with it. What is the dangers of a elementalist staying in earth to not be crit? 18 hours ago, FrownyClown.8402 said: People dont like it cuz tempest doesnt go down when they want it to. The average gw2 enjoyer doesnt think passed what is happening on screen The amount of tempest coping xd 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellhunter.9675 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Guys, if you complain about particular skill or trait on forum make sure to leave a ling to the wiki. Or our beloved devs will not understand what are talking about. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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