Mell.4873 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) It seems like everyone and there mum either plays DPS Virtuoso, Quickness Chrono, or Alacrity Mirage. I don't see any PVE game mode where they don't dominate these roles. (raids or fractals they are less common) Edited August 6, 2022 by Mell.4873 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinestalker.7639 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Are you saying there's lack of builds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Heal Alacrity Mechanist and Quickness Condition Firebrand currently dominate for alacrity, heals, and quickness. Power mechanist is dominating the DPS sphere due to how low intensity it is. I won't lie, though: mesmer still has a lot of good utilities it can provide for groups (refects, portals, stability, good quality CC). Back when I was still raiding, mesmer was my default toon to join groups with due to this versatility. If Anet introduces new raids, fractals, strikes, etc, then Mesmer will be my default toon again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Spinestalker.7639 said: Are you saying there's lack of builds? No I just observed there are a lot of Mesmers running around. I don't know exactly what they run I'm only speculating. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said: Heal 6Mechanist and Quickness Condition Firebrand currently dominate for alacrity, heals, and quickness. Power mechanist is dominating the DPS sphere due to how low intensity it is. I won't lie, though: mesmer still has a lot of good utilities it can provide for groups (refects, portals, stability, good quality CC). Back when I was still raiding, mesmer was my default toon to join groups with due to this versatility. If Anet introduces new raids, fractals, strikes, etc, then Mesmer will be my default toon again. I barely see any Firebrands at the moment, some Mechanist but it hard to tell if they are Alacrity. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: No I just observed there are a lot of Mesmers running around. I don't know exactly what they run I'm only speculating. Well, greatsword did receive buffs recently. Chances are, players are running mesmers right now to see how it feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said: Well, greatsword did receive buffs recently. Chances are, players are running mesmers right now to see how it feels. Yeah that is my theory too, maybe all the HB decided to try Chrono for a bit 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moradorin.6217 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mell.4873 said: I barely see any Firebrands at the moment, some Mechanist but it hard to tell if they are Alacrity. If you run arc you can see who in squads and groups is covering group boons. The good boon coverage in raids is not coming from Mesmers the VAST majority of the time right now. Virt can deliver good dps, but its usually around the supports and mechanist is usually top dps unless you get a person on holo, soulbeast, scourge, etc that does a solid rotation, etc then they can still keep up. Its much easier to hit solid numbers on spectre, mech, necros, etc. I dont play Mesmer anymore unless I need portal for tower and the usual Mesmer niche tasks. AlacMirage is NOT a solid alac source for typical parties compared to other options imo. It can do the job its just inferior. same for quickness. Its dps is good, but it doesnt keep up with others especially when you consider how easy you get good numbers on other classes compared to Mesmer for the same effort. I just dont see any reason to play mesmer unless you are just stuborn, need a portal, feedback, confusion specific dps or other niche thing, or just like to play as Mesmer for thematic reasons. Im happy for those who still enjoy playing it, but I think its a giant stretch to suggest its more popular or better than other classes. The data just doesnt support that idea. Compare alac mech (easiest rotation in the game) to alac Mirage: https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/power-mechanist-alacrity https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-mirage-alacrity Both are capable of roughly 28k bech one is 1 star difficulty other is 5 star difficulty rating. One has a strange split mode for pvp/wvw in which the core mechanic is used differently vs pve (Mirage) one is the same in all 3 modes (mech) Now lets look at chrono for quickness and compare other quickness options: https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/power-chronomancer-quickness ~23k dps and the site says "Despite all that the power STM Chrono does pretty poorly compared to other Quickness Sources. (4 star difficulty) https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/quickness-herald-support ~26k 2 star difficulty (you just spam facets for quickness and full 25 might, fury, regen, protection, quickness, swiftness to party over 100% of the time. much better boon support, arguably stronger spec https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/power-scrapper-quickness ~27k 2 star (just spam gyros and hit 5, 2+f*) easier, better dps, way more utility other than portal (even group stealth) much stronger in general but not heavily played cause I duno people just dont play scrapper. *shrug* https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-firebrand-quickness ~30k dps, etc, etc, again easier and more powerful vs chrono in general. We could compare DPS but its even more pointless to compare. Granted Virt does bench around 38k+ right now, BUT classes do just as well and I see allot more people going the route of mech. Mech is the better choice clearly since it outperforms chrono for either alac or quickness and can also keep up for dps and is easier to operate and also the benefit of being able to swap the same toon to scrapper for things like group stealth, super speed, projectile bubble, group stability, etc or holo for another dps class option. I have yet to play mech I avoid it and dislike its gigantic ugly mech and will probably never play it but I also dont play my Mesmer unless I am doing a JP, or doing escort towers, TL (but this is mech pref. now I think too) or some times mathias (if FB isnt on top of reflects) Those are the only things I can think of in which a Mesmer arguably has value over the others and its only due to portal, feedback, and no/low damage cc) Can chrono be really good in the right hands still?? Yea sure so can any class when well played, but when you compare them equally, mesmer sucks. Sorry I dont like that its the case, but its the way it is. Its just facts. https://lucky-noobs.com/benchmarks Edited August 6, 2022 by Moradorin.6217 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven.1793 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Quote AlacMirage is NOT a solid alac source for typical parties compared to other options imo. Not sure where this is coming from but double staff mirage can reliably cap alac and is really easy to play. This build does fairly well at the golem but it takes forever to ramp up and you rarely get anything approaching benchmark in raids and most endgame pve. It works exceptionally well in open-world content such as boss blitz since it heavily overcaps might and will spread it out among a large number of allies in your typical zerg. Maybe you're seeing people playing the staxe variant that decidedly cannot cap alac? 3 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: I barely see any Firebrands at the moment, some Mechanist but it hard to tell if they are Alacrity. You can tell what build a mechanist is running by the weapons on their mech. Alacrity mechs (both heal and dps) run the punch mech. Rifle mechs run the gun mech. Condi mechs run the sword mech. I still see a lot of Firebrands and they are still highly favored for a lot of content such as fractal CMs. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katte nici.9483 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Oh noes I see Mesmer in game once in a while. Nerf please! 2 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moradorin.6217 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Raven.1793 said: Not sure where this is coming from but double staff mirage can reliably cap alac and is really easy to play. This build does fairly well at the golem but it takes forever to ramp up and you rarely get anything approaching benchmark in raids and most endgame pve. It works exceptionally well in open-world content such as boss blitz since it heavily overcaps might and will spread it out among a large number of allies in your typical zerg. Maybe you're seeing people playing the staxe variant that decidedly cannot cap alac? You can tell what build a mechanist is running by the weapons on their mech. Alacrity mechs (both heal and dps) run the punch mech. Rifle mechs run the gun mech. Condi mechs run the sword mech. I still see a lot of Firebrands and they are still highly favored for a lot of content such as fractal CMs. Its not practical to run MUCH of the time compared to other alac sources be it a heal alac or dps alac. I dont even play that much but I can see in 2 minutes that a druid can way overcap alac + maintain might, etc and heal like a mofo way better than any form of Mesmer in its best day and mechanist is obviously much easier to get actual real world performance vs people who say alacMirage is awsome, meanwhile most of the alacmirage you see actually what they suggest just drag down the party due to things like clone deaths from env, mechanics, rotational error, etc and all the other complications that comes with running alacMirage (phase reteating constantly, etc) compared to running an auto attacking mech.... Just why? I can only conclude that you are a person who is hiding behind a temporary account to troll the Mesmer forum with red herrings (you have 15 posts so its obviously either a new or alt account (people like to hide)). Nuff Said.😁 Again... https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-mirage-alacrity ~28k dps 4 star of 5 difficulty rating https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/power-mechanist-alacrity ~27k dps ONE star of 5 difficulty (Mech can even auto f* keys now) and stability to party too Alac Druid is still highly under rated too imo as a heal alac due to all the mech hype and spectre is VERY easy to operate and give alac, barrier, heals, and very solid dps and cc. Mesesmer is just sad. It doesnt even have a good core elite. Edited August 6, 2022 by Moradorin.6217 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 21 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: It seems like everyone and there mum either plays DPS Virtuoso, Quickness Chrono, or Alacrity Mirage. I don't see any PVE game mode where they don't dominate these roles. (raids or fractals they are less common) Something is always going to be meta. I'm just not sure all the things you list are. I mean, MAYBE they are; I certainly see a good share of DPS condi Virts. Seems like a bit of gaslighting though ... is there an actual point to these observations? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Mell's trolling must be getting bad if even Obtena is calling it out. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Its because the need for attention is real. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungozen.2379 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Salt Mode.3780 said: Its because the need for attention is real. That’s why we are all here right? To validate each other because no one outside these forums gives a kitten?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Levetty.1279 said: Mell's trolling must be getting bad if even Obtena is calling it out. 4 hours ago, Salt Mode.3780 said: Its because the need for attention is real. Ahh here come the detractors and the whole reason I left this forum for a few months. Honestly I will only stick around if people are fair (don't name call me) getting attention will probably make me leave again. I mean I called the OPness of Virtuoso well before it was a meta dps and I got so much kitten for it. Edited August 7, 2022 by Mell.4873 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, Salt Mode.3780 said: Again seeking attention because you are bored and you want to "test the waters." If this isn't attention seeking I don't know what is, or perhaps you don't know what mundane means just like you don't understand the complaints about Virtuoso had never been about PvE but more on the competitive side. Again no one care that you left or even knew that you left, and good riddance that you left, continue to stay gone and stop stirring trouble because you are bored. FYI my post you quoted was generalized but if you feel it is targeting you well I've got nothing else to say unless you are guilty of doing so. Meh well I'm not doing any posts like this anytime soon. This forum is pretty dead anyway, more dead than when I left. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakeneko.5826 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Troll thread at its finest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungozen.2379 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Bakeneko.5826 said: Troll thread at its finest These are the posts I enjoy laughing at. Y'all are so serious and can't handle mild banter without blowing a gasket (not you specifically, the posters on these forums in general). Mell might not make much sense, but that isn't reason to call them a troll for trying to be a part of the community they obviously want to be in. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lottie.5370 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Next people will be saying Untamed is oversaturated in squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Condi virtuoso is lots of fun, especially now thst it doesn't need to rely on someone in the group using something like spotter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator.3074 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Locking this thread as there is no constructive discussion coming out of it. 3 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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