Abram.7816 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Read the header, most problems stem from " i dont care if i win or lose, still get progress for chests 🙂 " this is an actual in game message that i've received multiple times when asking why the players openly play to lose or not care. Please fix this. it will help the health of the competitive pvp scene and could make people want to participate in it rather than afk. 3 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irastira.8643 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Hard disagree friend. It would do nothing to help the competitive scene. Increasing the rewards doesn't Offset the fact they still get ticks for winning. If they remove the rewards for the losing team, That would be the final nail in the coffin of SPvP. On NA at least. Better rewards would only encourage META-lording. Every one gunning for that sweet 30..40..50..60..100 gold prize? It would also devastate the gold economy. I mean, I struggle to make 100 gold a week. Suffice to say, It would take me like 5 months of daily farming for a minimum 3 hours each day to afford Eternity. I can't imagine how high the cost would go if gold was hyper inflated. Inflation happens in exponents. Copper Ore remainds so inexpensive because it is an easily obtainable resource. If you increase the ease of access to gold, You are creating a situation where basic crafting materials like Copper Ore and Bone Chips are woth 15 of gold EACH. I would not play this game if it costed you 100,000 gold for 400 gems. It would also do nothing to change why PvP is in the state that its in. For the record, The current season is probably the healthiest the PvP has ever been. Its still frustrating to play though. The queue timers are sometimes 15 minutes long, and like 70% of the time you're up against some Legendary God of PvP who shouldn't even be in your high silver low gold lobby, but they are because there isn't enough people queuing for PvP. Why? Because Its just not fun being one shot by 15 stacks of 9 damaging conditions that all manage to do a minimum of 4K damage and a Maximum of 90K damage. The average doing about 35K. Most don't have 30K health. Most have between 21-26K health. The damage is simply to high for the amount of health available. It limits the players ability to out play an opponent, especially when the enemy has 1800 units if Concentrated AOE Death. They don't clear the point, They clear the Area Code and that is simply not engaging for any one who isn't playing that Profession or Spec. If PvP were more enjoyable, more people would play it, and thus, nerfing the ticks for a loss might have positive impact on the game itself. However; as is, nerfing ticks earns for losses would probably just encourage botting and further trolling. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram.7816 Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 STOP GIVING SPVP REWARDS TO LOSING TEAM, ONLY ALLOW SOLO Q TO INCREASE HEALTH OF PVP -Abram 1 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING? -Sahne 1 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 This would be followed by "Anet do something about quitting/queue times/population" in about a week at max. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 While I understand the sentiment I don't think this would result in people trying harder to winor changing their behaviour. Rather I feel it would result in more people quitting half way through the match when they can't see the win or just choosing not to participate at all. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Give more rewards for a near loss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyrat.2378 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) One word: moderation. Just start punishing griefers/toxic individuals/win traders. Boom, problem solved. N.1 reason why you always see topics like "PvP in GW2 is absolutely terrible" is not because of rewards but because new people have in general terrible experience and give up before they get to the fun part. Arenanet: 🙉🙈 Losing these stomp matches that end up with 100:500 score already feels bad, not sure why would you want to exacerbate this problem by punishing losing side even more because of poor match making and skill disparity that is most of the time unfortunately beyond their control. Edited June 13, 2023 by Greyrat.2378 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 How am I supposed to farm my legendary? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't called removing rewards for participation and thus also a non-negligible part of the remaining sPvP population, a healthy choice. And by that I mean actually participation people, not bots, auto-runners and other match manipulation. Edited June 13, 2023 by Fueki.4753 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino.1359 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Hard no on this. You'd see our already dwindling population cut in half - no reward for their effort when they get steamrolled due to the already wonky matchmaking system? They won't ever come back. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multicolorhipster.9751 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Holy work. Stay brave & upright and continue being loud so that He might witness ye 🙏 I see it this way personally, kind of a middle ground: Rewards that encourage effort; top stats, near-win, those are okay because they encourage that people at least try 👍 Rewards for doing nothing; the 3 base pips given just for being there and being above a certain rating threshold are not okay, and they belong in Unranked where it doesn't matter if they want to laze about. And anyone who threatens to quit and give up over losing the latter in Ranked is making a facile argument against common sense, not to mention proving their mindset. They were probably quitting and giving up long before anyone suggested getting rid of their participation award in Ranked. If they quit; nothing gained, nothing lost. 9 hours ago, Abram.7816 said: ONLY ALLOW SOLO Q TO INCREASE HEALTH OF PVP -Abram I offer bonus prayers for this undeniable truth. 🙏 DuoQ ruins competitive games. Advantages have no place in competition. Everyone plays at the same level, or eventually nobody will be playing and the competition will be completely dead & meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Rewards are already bad compared to other game modes. How you want to attract new players? Are they supposed to get nothing while wrecked by veterans? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir.1742 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 6/13/2023 at 3:49 AM, Abram.7816 said: Read the header, most problems stem from " i dont care if i win or lose, still get progress for chests 🙂 " this is an actual in game message that i've received multiple times when asking why the players openly play to lose or not care. Please fix this. it will help the health of the competitive pvp scene and could make people want to participate in it rather than afk. Your solution would kill the game mode more than ANet already has lmao. Nobody cares about the rewards even if you do win a lot of the games, the play is often copium for this dead game mode. You are also asking a lot of NA who plays mostly "for fun", which the game is marketed for. ANet stopped caring about competitive PvP the moment they dropped the eSports scene, don't know what era you're living in but catch up with the rest of us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Games are supposed to be played for FUN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthan.5236 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 First: Buy a new keyboard: Second: If the reward for winning is increased even more (or no reward for losing) ... then it is even better to stop playing at all - if you start to lose early. If it is at 100 vs 300 it is way better to let the enemy get 500 quickly - not doing anything ... so you can move ot the next match (where hopefully you can win). Still aiming for a win might aned in 400 vs. 500 or so ... + taking a lot more time ... while no additional reward. Other suggestions are better here - to give the loser more rewards if they played better. (Should be a difference in 100 vs 500 loss and 300 vs 500 loss for example. Not just the small extra pips for a loss where it was pretty close.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormemperor.3745 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) On 6/13/2023 at 12:50 PM, Abram.7816 said: STOP GIVING SPVP REWARDS TO LOSING TEAM, ONLY ALLOW SOLO Q TO INCREASE HEALTH OF PVP -Abram On 6/13/2023 at 12:56 PM, Sahne.6950 said: WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING? -Sahne CAPITALISM -Storm Edited June 16, 2023 by stormemperor.3745 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram.7816 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 Let the market decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram.7816 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Luthan.5236 you need a new keyboard with that weird punctuation Edited June 21, 2023 by Abram.7816 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram.7816 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 1:27 PM, stormemperor.3745 said: WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING? -Sahne Its called passion, something your mother has taught me a lot about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Anabe.6091 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Abram.7816 said: Its called passion, something your mother has taught me a lot about. At least they had one 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram.7816 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Nate Anabe.6091 said: At least they had one Thanks for stopping by, you just hopped in here to defend some random post like a white knight? How do you expect me to talk with you when all of your forum posts are five words or less. Hurry up because the rest of your household needs to share your singular braincell like a game of hot potato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Anabe.6091 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Just what I expected from mediocre PVP.er that afks in the corner P.S. It Doesn't matter how many words I post as long as people take the bait Edited June 21, 2023 by Nate Anabe.6091 add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram.7816 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nate Anabe.6091 said: Just what I expected from mediocre PVP.er that afks in the corner P.S. It Doesn't matter how many words I post as long as people take the bait Well aren't you just the master baiter. Edited June 21, 2023 by Abram.7816 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Anabe.6091 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 All over yer face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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