AphoticEssance.7592 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) It is completely busted at this point. More and more guilds are starting exploit this to cause crazy skill/server lag. It is not fun fighting groups in which I can't cast a skill. WvW will die quickly if something is not done soon. Please do something about it. Edited July 20, 2023 by AphoticEssance.7592 19 4 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantsIsHere.4301 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 100%, playing against 2 other map blobs and having rise cause skill lag is not fun 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphoticEssance.7592 Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) What I am experiencing for the most part does not happen vs 2 map blobs ever. It is only vs groups exploiting Rise. It is the most broken thing I have ever seen in any game period. Edited July 20, 2023 by AphoticEssance.7592 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silitha The Mystical.5480 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 In all seriousness, Rise needs to be removed, reworked, or something. It is breaking the servers even more than they are. Once the server gets to a certain point, the lag can be felt throughout the whole map. soul started it(from my experience), now all the other guilds are moving to it. Its a joke. Roy even ran with soul as they were doing it and nothing is being done(favoritism?). Skills cant be used once so many minions have been spawned. Necro lich is also contributing to the minion spawn. This isnt some new issue either. soul has been doing it for weeks at this point. WvW seriously becomes 100% unplayable at the peak of the engage with people teleporting like a ping issue and massive skill lag for as long as the engagement lasts until minions die or other players die. Sometimes skills, like mantras, cannot be used for a time after the engage even if you die and spawn on the other side of the map. This skill was an issue before, got nerfed, and somehow has become op once again. please fix it or remove it from WvW completely. also, soul has lost all respect tbh. gotta cheese like that just to win fights instead of actually being good like they used to is sad. 10 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I also noticed Soul were the only ones spamming it few weeks ago. Looks like Rise! had an additional pet added to it after feb's update to 3, when it was nerfed down to 2 back in may of last year. Did the pve devs not know why it was nerfed to 2 in the first place? 🤔 The lag didn't really start until like a month ago. Is that really the reason for the latest lag? Risenhowl says it's a tonic in the other thread. If so, time to nerf the skill down to 1 pet and be done with it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babana.7521 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Didn't I say this not long ago?, Nerf everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 If it's a pet issue then wouldn't they need to nerf https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death_Nova too then? since it raises a pet every 3 sec on deaths, up to 5 maximum. 🤷♂️ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psizone.8437 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Silitha The Mystical.5480 said: Roy even ran with soul as they were doing it and nothing is being done(favoritism?) Roy and others running with guilds like this is the reason zerg fights are awful now. They're also the reason boonballs keep getting buffed and boonstrips get nerfed. It's beyond obvious they're playing favourites and wrecking the game for the average player to do it. 11 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 it shouldn't be too big of a deal to reduce the number of minions but make them stronger (and possibly add another effect to the skill separate from minions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukemNukem.2486 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I blame Risen for starting the RISE meta years ago. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphoticEssance.7592 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) soul was the first guild I saw running it.. it is starting to catch on with other guilds. Maybe everybody should do it and completely break the game since devs don't seem to care? This is a legit exploit (not a cheat, so no beef). It needs to be fixed. I give them props for being smart and actually to bringing light to it. Edited July 21, 2023 by AphoticEssance.7592 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphoticEssance.7592 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) And to be clear. I am super concerned about the ramifications of what might happen if every guild does this. Who wants to play game in which you can't cast any skills? Edited July 21, 2023 by AphoticEssance.7592 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozumi.5816 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Easy solution: Limit WvW squads to 20 player caps. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphoticEssance.7592 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) I would 100% be open for 20 player squads in general. I think it would be nice. However, I am unsure if that would fix the current exploit issue. Edited July 21, 2023 by AphoticEssance.7592 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Again? Thought they had this fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassablanca.5821 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 dont forget the mesmer clone also part of the lag. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Kassablanca.5821 said: dont forget the mesmer clone also part of the lag. Except they weren't the problem in the first Lagapalooza 2022, and probably aren't part of the problem in Lagapalooza 2023, they barely last a second in zerg fights. But sure, nerf clones.... and make virtuoso blades baseline! 🤭 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 only if they nerf clones too. but honestly, if this is the problem causing massive lag, just change it for a single minion with the combined health/armor of the 5 minions and keep everything else the same. Maybe even kill all other minion you may have? Like, for extra protection? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Durak.2830 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 10:26 AM, AphoticEssance.7592 said: It is completely busted at this point. More and more guilds are starting exploit this to cause crazy skill/server lag. It is not fun fighting groups in which I can't cast a skill. WvW will die quickly if something is not done soon. Please do something about it. LOL BS, get a new video card from this century. IMO 1 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: only if they nerf clones too. but honestly, if this is the problem causing massive lag, just change it for a single minion with the combined health/armor of the 5 minions and keep everything else the same. Maybe even kill all other minion you may have? Like, for extra protection? Kill what minions? All of them are already dead because an enemy looked harshly at them. Maybe rise should literally be rise - restore all dead minions and give em some damage reduction for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Durak.2830 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Kill what minions? All of them are already dead because an enemy looked harshly at them. Maybe rise should literally be rise - restore all dead minions and give em some damage reduction for a while. Actually, I heard they already nerfed the minions years ago. They are very limited now. I think us Necros need more minions to match the numbers of Mes and Rangers who swarm you from Blackgate, it is like a new play style disease! Edited July 21, 2023 by Areoh.7495 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Maybe rise should literally be rise - restore all dead minions and give em some damage reduction for a while. yeh, I never liked the skill as a whole tbh. 2 hours ago, Areoh.7495 said: Actually, I heard they already nerfed the minions years ago. They are very limited now. actually, minions are worthless in WvW but some necros still run the whole set for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinKin.6241 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 delete rise I want to play the game and not lag. I already suffer enough playing this game with 200 ping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassablanca.5821 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 bring back Miniatures for WvW I want to see my cute pets rather than those ugly minions since we are fine with lagging up the server now. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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