New dailies/weeklies [Merged]

[jamesg.7128]

The only problem I have with the new system is that the dailies are no longer selected but randomly assigned and you must do all 3.

If you had to 3 out of 5 it would be a very good system.

The rewards you can get for the AA are fine imo, it's just that lack of choice that sux.

[Alik.9651]

totally agree, the new daily system is a crap

[jamesg.7128]

No choice is not "playing how you want".

[MurderousMe.9074]

I'm not impressed with the sequential dailies nor the 1g payout reduction. The game is a grindy nightmare already (gave up on the double mats for Eureka, just not doing it) and this makes it worse. I'm done, I'm out, bye-bye.

[quake.9023]

just put the old daily system into the new reward system, why change how daily is obtained

[quake.9023]

7 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Yes, I'd still rather see a set of 6-12 dailies total with completion capped at 4, but the rewards don't look bad as long as you won't count on getting them passively

this this this

[Mistwraithe.3106]

6 hours ago, Iiridayn.6109 said:

This is not a new issue with the new dailies system. My wife and I bought HoT + PoF when I started the game, and progressed through the story without spoilers or early unlocks. There were many days where we could not do the dailies in the old system due to requiring us to go places which would spoiler content. Eventually we got to HoT which helped a lot, and finally got to PoF which enabled us to do the rest of the dailies.

The underlying issue isn't new, as you say the old system had this problem - I wasn't particularly happy about that BUT you had 12 total dailies to choose from. I tried both WvW and PvP in large part so I could complete my dailies on days when it was otherwise hard to do them because they were on maps I hadn't been to.

(As an aside, this was good game design - it encouraged me to try WvW without being punitive (because often I could get 3 PvE dailies even with the map restrictions) and I found I loved WvW, so I now play WvW as much as PvE. The new Wizard's Vault will never do this because people who don't play WvW or PvP will pick PvE for their dailies and never get that slight push to try WvW and PvP out...)

The Wizard Vault quadruples down on the map problem. Before you had to do 3/12 dailies so having one or two from maps you haven't reached could be worked around. You now need to do 3/3 dailies so you're out of luck. And the penalty is high - completing just 2 dailies (+login) is 25 AA vs the 65 AA you get for doing all 3 dailies, so you get 60% less rewards if miss just one of them!

So effectively people who purchased expansions before they reached them in the story are being penalized by Anet...

[Jajo.1428]

3 hours ago, Obfuscate.6430 said:

OP,  you are rewarded for any daily you achieve in the form of the new daily currency. It's a little different from the past it's true, but you are able to save up for greater rewards, and you can still use the currency to buy the gold if you wanted to. 
I don't have a strong feeling about it yet as it's only been a couple of days.  I mean I now have the option of  getting new armor skins, mount skins, emotes, or purchasing the gold with the new currency. That is a lot more choice than we had before.

Have you even read the first post? It's not about lacking reward options (new rewards are very good IMO). It's about lacking activity options.

[Dawdler.8521]

5 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Not surprised to see this thread...

As a practical effect, this change marks a pretty big disincentive to do WvW and PvP for me. As it was, I could look at the dailies and decide what I wanted to do that day (and would often do more convenient PvP and WvW dailies even if I'd already done PvE dailies because the reward track potions are nice to have), but I could dodge any of the more awkward PvP/WvW dailies that came up. As a result, while I wouldn't play these modes every day, I would still be doing one or both most days.

Now, though... I looked at today's dailies, and opted out of PvP and WvW dailies tomorrow (note that it's now close to reset, so that will soon be yesterday and today). Invasion defender is often a fairly unreliable WvW daily to get - you might get it in a few seconds during a zerg fight, you might spend an hour and not get it if it's off-peak (I'm Australian, so this is a factor). While for PvP... if I don't get three kills in a game, it's usually because I had such a terrible team and experience that I don't want to queue again. 

PvE dailies... can often be fairly awkward themselves, but at least they're usually somewhat reliable on how long they take.

And as a WvWer, it's the opposite situation. I can no longer fill in with any of the "easy" sPvP or PvE dailies when that annoying WvW combo of dailies pop up because if I select anything outside just WvW dailies I fear I will get something as stupid as go do a strike mission or go do a PvE puzzle (doing obsidian is already a horrifying enough idea). I am fine with having them as optional if I feel like torturing myself. But Anet FORCE me to select WvW only.

So basicly, these new dailies removed all choice when it was supposed to increase them. 

Nice.

[idpersona.3810]

10 hours ago, idpersona.3810 said:

I wonder why the decision to not automatically reward completed tasks like they used to. All other criticisms aside, the UI seems overly clicky.

I finished my daily today and realized that there's a whole other chest to click up top to claim the full daily rewards. Which means I thin I missed it yesterday. 

I know the system is new. But it is really unintuitive. Those rewards should be given automatically when you finish a task and when your finish all 3 (just like they used to). 

I wonder, if I don't click the AA sure a task completed, does it go away at reset,? Or automatically get dropped into the Vault wallet?

[zch.3127]

4 hours ago, jamesg.7128 said:

The only problem I have with the new system is that the dailies are no longer selected but randomly assigned and you must do all 3.

If you had to 3 out of 5 it would be a very good system.

The rewards you can get for the AA are fine imo, it's just that lack of choice that sux.

I wonder if this was a design choice, or if they just kind of forgot how many options for completing the daily there were before.

Rewards not auto-accepting is also a pain.

[Brandolf.6048]

So with the new system ANet reportedly wanted to stop daily login bots. There was a MUCH easier solution, keep the old system and move the rewards just from logging in to completion of anywhere from 1-4 of the daily achievements (pick any number that ANet wants). Boom, now I can't park 50 accounts of level 10 to collect Mystic Coins all month long. This isn't rocket science. Do the people in the room coming up with these ideas or making the decisions even play the game?

Then, on top of all this, you make Clovers and Coins basically harder to get with this new AA system? The math works out to if you just log in daily for your AA, you get about 1/2 as many coins and clovers individually or about 1/4 if you want them both. Yet, atvtge same expat you are introducing PVE Legendary armor and I assume Legendary Relics in the future? Glad I purchased 2,000 Mystic coins leading up to SOTO. GW2 hasn't had a proper director of economics in about 6-7 years and it truly shows. 

Don't even get me started on removing WvW and PvP rewards tract potions.

[Cronospere.8143]

On 8/23/2023 at 6:29 AM, Antipas.8197 said:

We've just lost +30g per month

Thanx a lot

No you get 1g daily, and can buy the other directly  with the currency. ( although i dont remember if it was capped at 60 or 90g). I did almost all the dailies and weekly. I could have bought a lot the first day, but im saving up for the expensive things first.

[Cronospere.8143]

On 8/23/2023 at 6:05 AM, Jajo.1428 said:

New dailies are bad, because they mandate goals. Old system allowed us to forego 75% of  possible daily goals and still achieve the coveted cumulative (complete 3 dailies) achievement. It gave you options, that you could chase based on your daily busyness, company, or even just current mood.

The new system just says "you will be doing this and exactly this, or you will be getting nothing, kthxbye."

GIVE US OPTIONS!

Just because I checked "PvE" box doesn't mean, that I want to do jumping puzzles. And who even escorts dolyaks in WvW outside doing guild missions?

I was surprised to see you could only do 4 dailies indeed. I never do PvP so i checked the PvE and WVW and was dissapointed i had to do wvw yesterday, instead of it being an option. 

[Nostromo.4126]

On 8/23/2023 at 2:05 PM, Jajo.1428 said:

New dailies are bad, because they mandate goals. Old system allowed us to forego 75% of  possible daily goals and still achieve the coveted cumulative (complete 3 dailies) achievement. It gave you options, that you could chase based on your daily busyness, company, or even just current mood.

The new system just says "you will be doing this and exactly this, or you will be getting nothing, kthxbye."

GIVE US OPTIONS!

Just because I checked "PvE" box doesn't mean, that I want to do jumping puzzles. And who even escorts dolyaks in WvW outside doing guild missions?

Just adding my 'me too' to this thread. I have been logging in almost religiously for dailies (among other things) for years, since beta, with few breaks. I have now parked my toons until ANet give me a reason to log in every day again. Here endeth the lesson!

[oCynder.5136]

I'm not really a fan with the new daily system. It was a cool system until you are forced to take one of the three options or if you do all three then you get something for all gamemodes. And this goes outside of Core Tyria so it's a downgrade to my eyes. A day I feel like doing PVP so I want PVP but I HAVE TO SET IT TO PVP BEFORE RESET. If I want to do WvW then same applies. I feel like I am now restricted with what I want to do.

[Majstk.7986]

I want the OLD DAILY SYTEM BACK. I liked picking what dailies to do based on the time I had to play the game. I don't like that Anet tells me what ones I need to complete for my dailies. If they don't change it back guess I won't be doing dailies any more. So PLEASE ANET BRING BACK THE OLD DAILY SYTEM ASAP.

[Manasa Devi.7958]

My dailies were incredibly easy today: 1 Canthan event, kill 10 Canthan enemies and 10 harvests with sickle. I did both Canthan events with a character parked outside Valdhertz, piece of cake. Didn't get the main chest though because there were 10 people doing it all at once which is a guaranteed fail. I was wondering why the crowd, Seems some unlucky folk needed the minidungeon for a daily, That's horrible, that thing has been bugged forever, That's a daily few people are completing today. Unbelievable they're including bugged content among the requirements.

[draxynnic.3719]

2 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

And as a WvWer, it's the opposite situation. I can no longer fill in with any of the "easy" sPvP or PvE dailies when that annoying WvW combo of dailies pop up because if I select anything outside just WvW dailies I fear I will get something as stupid as go do a strike mission or go do a PvE puzzle (doing obsidian is already a horrifying enough idea). I am fine with having them as optional if I feel like torturing myself. But Anet FORCE me to select WvW only.

So basicly, these new dailies removed all choice when it was supposed to increase them. 

Nice.

I'd probably describe that less as being the opposite situation but the same problem viewed from a different perspective. The old system gave gentle pushes to try out other modes, especially when an awkward combination comes up in one mode. Now, people who have even a relatively minor preference are being forced to pick. From a personal perspective, I'd probably be content committing to any of them as long as that guaranteed being able to get them done within a reasonable and predictable timeframe.

As is, though, PvE dailies seem least likely to result in an unpredictable timeframe (I'm not a big fan of JPs either, but there's usually a mesmer around when it's the daily) - the biggest inconvenience might well be getting to the maps. Today's PvE dailies were not far beyond simply existing in Cantha. Might still dip my toe into other modes still when the mood strikes (no more 2v2 or 3v3, ever!), but it'll probably be less and it will be after the PvE dailies.

From what I hear, it sounds like the PvE weeklies are less awkward too - although I did attach to a commander to get the WvWXP and five towers weeklies done today. I've also done Gyala, so I only need one of the PvP weeklies and the rest will be easy.

I think that does emphasise the failure of the system, though: I was someone who played all three, now I feel forced to commit. You're primarily a WvWer, but the change is really forcing you to commit since if an awkward daily comes up, you just have to do it or skip that day. There may be primarily PvP players in a similar boat. It's possible that when the APIs come back online people will be able to preview tomorrow's dailies and choose which they'll do tomorrow, but that's an inelegant solution at best.

In the meantime, it's a step towards siloing the player base, which I cannot imagine was the intent.

[vares.8457]

2 hours ago, idpersona.3810 said:

I finished my daily today and realized that there's a whole other chest to click up top to claim the full daily rewards. Which means I thin I missed it yesterday. 

I know the system is new. But it is really unintuitive. Those rewards should be given automatically when you finish a task and when your finish all 3 (just like they used to). 

I wonder, if I don't click the AA sure a task completed, does it go away at reset,? Or automatically get dropped into the Vault wallet?

It’s not that unintuitive, the chest for the full daily rewards isn’t that hard to miss. This is clearly a failure on your side and the system is not at fault here. You have to click every chest, why should this chest be any different?

Edited August 24, 2023 by vares.8457

[Zepoolpe.9217]

On 8/22/2023 at 7:40 PM, Irrational.2871 said:

they probably hired some activision blizzard workers to make vault of secrets

Nah, it's a bad port from TESO's endeavor system... and i say bad because in TESO you have the choice of doing 3 out of 5 (if i remember correctly).

Classic Anet. They did the Build template kittenup all over again: copy a good system but release it as a subpar version of the original.

[chris.9142]

argrred very poor choioces with new dailys

 

 

and why have bothdaily login chest and daily achiments been replaced with the new system seem a big step backards both in rewards and ease of use

Edited August 24, 2023 by chris.9142

[Player.2475]

They're too lazy to implement a cap on 65 daily AA from that category, otherwise it would've been trivial to give at least 5 or 6 objectives. Or you know, 12, like the old game mode used to be? 🙂 But then, if you just had 1 category selected, you'd have no benefit from most of the objectives.

[uzu.7351]

1. Everyone praising gw2 as one of the less talked about gems of remaining MMOs.

2. Launch an expansion that changes all of that.

3. Reuse assets.

4. kitten everyone off.

5. Don't profit?

[Mistwraithe.3106]

51 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Today's PvE dailies were not far beyond simply existing in Cantha.

Even that isn't so easy for some of us - I own EoD but am only up to HoT. I'm quite story focused so I don't even want to exist in Cantha for another few months...

The dailies needs to take into account your actual story progress and avoid giving you any dailies in maps you haven't visited yet.