Heisen.2315 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Can someone enlighten me why we are nerfing Condition Berserker? What the actual f. 4 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainhelm.3827 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 At least they're not pretending anymore. 1 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAmputatoes.6031 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Cause Snowcrows had Condi Quickness zerker as top Quickness/DPS spec. 1 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Nerfing based on benchmarks that most people don't reach is almost as bad as balancing based off of the wiki... 7 3 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisen.2315 Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 minute ago, MrAmputatoes.6031 said: Cause Snowcrows had Condi Quickness zerker as top Quickness/DPS spec. I haven't seen a single Quickness Berserker in any content, its actually disgusting that they nerf based on benchmarks on idle bosses. You can't upkeep Berserker state in a real scenario due to invulnerability / phasing of bosses . 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Just now, Heisen.2315 said: I haven't seen a single Quickness Berserker in any content, its actually disgusting that they nerf based on benchmarks on idle bosses. You can't upkeep Berserker state in a real scenario due to invulnerability / phasing of bosses . The only quick Zerker I have ever seen... Was me. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAmputatoes.6031 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 I mean they did give a 5% buff to blood reaction so IDK what the overall effect is, Im not a math guy. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainhelm.3827 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Nerfing based on benchmarks that most people don't reach is almost as bad as balancing based off of the wiki... golem benchmarks are not representative of how PvE content actually works in this game. It has value to know the absolute best case scenario but context matters and that context has been screaming that condizerk is an unplayable mess ever since that berserk rework. Barely anyone played the spec and even less people will play it now that the only thing it had going for it has been butchered. Edited September 26, 2023 by rainhelm.3827 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
difens.1326 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Just shutdown that site and problem solved 😛 1 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzaku.9765 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) qZerk was already utter garbage on the effort-reward ratio compared to qHerald, so nerfing both specs equally is just indicative that they have no idea how their own game works. And I don't think they were nerfed equally from the patch notes alone - these halved values look brutal. Condi Zerker is one of the most unpopular builds in the game - Zerker as a whole has a 1.31% play rate compared to Herald's 10.15%. I'd ask what happened to power budget considering just how much better qHerald is compared to qZerk, but I never believed in that balance manifesto stream in the first place. Edited September 26, 2023 by Jzaku.9765 4 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAmputatoes.6031 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Condi Zerker under perfect conditions (including Tempest Aura) could bench 50k... but I mean thats 0.1% of raid population which is like 5 people. 2 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior.9487 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 What should they do? Power warrior can no longer weaken, otherwise we heal the opponents Therefore Condi must now believe it.. ^^ welcome to the brainless Anet team 2 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 So now warrior need to Play power cause otherwise they are too Bad when it comes to DPS ...... Srsly they hard nerfed it for nearly No reason kek what xD 2 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 I'm not surprised. It's a sad update, but no a surprising one. Balancing around raw numbers without regards to what actually happens in the game is nothing new. 3 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 My brother in Grenth, they "nerfed" torch. What is even going on?! 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 @Fueki.4753 not suprised ... Well yes but actually they nerfed it ways too hard xD 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Myror.7521 said: @Fueki.4753 not suprised ... Well yes but actually they nerfed it ways too hard xD Warrior getting unreasonably hard nerfs is neither surprising nor new. Edited September 26, 2023 by Fueki.4753 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryTiKaL.3125 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 45 minutes ago, Fueki.4753 said: I'm not surprised. It's a sad update, but no a surprising one. Balancing around raw numbers without regards to what actually happens in the game is nothing new. ANet is historically only looking at metrics and statistics, not actual gameplay feel, use and functionality. Which are all very important parts to be taken into consideration, especially due to this games combat system being a sort of action combat/tab target hybrid. Warrior does not feel as good to use. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anbujackson.9564 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 They actually nerfed quickness more because they compensated for it in your full dps trait. Thats smart on paper. The bad thing is though that every spec is unchanged when it comes to mechanics. So herald is still a god for example. This reduces powercreep (which is good) but changes nothing for profession playrate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prototypedragon.1406 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 I'm just going to keep swirling my mace and self stunning myself let me know when something actually good happens for warrior. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, prototypedragon.1406 said: I'm just going to keep swirling my mace and self stunning myself let me know when something actually good happens for warrior. You want me to wake you up when GW3 is announced or when NCSoft pulls the plug on Anet? 1 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prototypedragon.1406 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Just now, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: You want me to wake you up when GW3 is announced or when NCSoft pulls the plug on Anet? Eh which ever one comes first or surprise me. Till then my self bludgeoning continues. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeyeti.8347 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Warrior and ele are literally the least played class (all e-spec counted) and they nerfed these two , are they rolling a dice in the balance team to choose what to nerf or just do a party and go drunk before patching ? cause i understand the Gs nerf for rev , the scourge and the specter nerf , but ele and warrior , why ? 6 ppl in the whole game benched 50k and what ? everybody is able to bench 50k , duh ... right guys ? i benched 150 k with my bladesworn by killing a neutral rabbit with full boons , so if i send a video of me killing rabbits with my dragon slash will they nerf bladesworn ? wtf... stop looking at benchmarks , look at the % the class is played and look into why the class has no success at all instead of nerfing it ... 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood.7254 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Another patch, another horrible day for warrior enjoyers 😞 I was so happy playing condi zerker for a few weeks... 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Hu.1694 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 how much dps nerf actually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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