Saiyan.1704 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Garbage tier specs: 1.) Mechanist - Basically negative 2 people on any given team. They do everything wrong. 2.) Firebrand - Will always be replaced by Core Guard Supp because it's still better. 3.) Druid - Pigeonholed into some weird side-node condi bunker that isn't better than other sidenoder specs. 4.) Scrapper - Has bursts but 0 self sustains and will always get farmed, especially now that DH exists. If you're not a necro, czerk, or specter and you play a condi build, add yourself to the list DH got so many buffs all at once that Anet didn't consider just.... how bad other specs already were. (or how bad the playerbase actually are). There is an absurd amount of baddies running condi XYZ builds not knowing a DH can literally go Hunter's Fortification to counter their already-meme condi spec. Honestly... players need to stop running condi and learn a power build even IF they have to go more bunker oriented for a sense of security. I'm not talking to players who are already Plat... it's everyone else who hasn't got a clue. Sometimes dual cleanse sigils is enough to counter your meme condi build. Thoughts on DH as a Guard main: ....I don't like DH Trap Aegis spam. For a number of reasons. It's fun rn because it's meme and maybe there's a place for... that kind of solo-node "War 2.0", slow mobility playstyle, but no one asked for it. A lot of us DH players were accustomed to reactive traps that gave superspeed, enabling DH to kite (longbow oriented), whose positioning awareness playstyle actually had a skill ceiling; yet, anyone can now spam traps and gain value. And this is coming from a Guard main that never liked Longbow.....I applaud the Devs for Hammer changes ❤️ /endvent Edited January 4 by Saiyan.1704 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 34 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: If you're not a necro or specter and you play a condi build, add yourself to the list czerk players in shambles rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Shagie.7612 said: czerk players in shambles rn rip. My selective bias was showing again. :p! (edited OP) Edited January 4 by Saiyan.1704 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Saiyan.1704 said: Scrapper - Has bursts but 0 self sustains and will always get farmed, especially now that DH exists. Ranked qs or??? Scrapper plays rlly well into dh my pov AT but I play with dps who engage my targetcalls to strip aegis for my 100-0 go's.. Also really unhinged post you make alt accs to play the same build/same region to collect baron titles?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Lol, OP you are one of the reasons why I think the game would become much better, if there would be a hard cap of damage at 20k DPS. Just because something isn't optimal according your preferences, doesn't mean that others should have the same preferences as you nor should they select builds according to that. Edited January 4 by Dayra.7405 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 11 hours ago, ccccc.4963 said: Ranked qs or??? Scrapper plays rlly well into dh my pov AT but I play with dps who engage my targetcalls to strip aegis for my 100-0 go's.. Also really unhinged post you make alt accs to play the same build/same region to collect baron titles?? Rank queue. No one here is talking about coordinated teams in AT/mAT. Collect baron titles? Why do you ask, are people buying? Because I can meme and grind out Baron titles all day on any account.... it isn't difficult. It's not a secret that nayaiS.6041 is my alt. The character name literally says, Saiyans Alt, lol. And it's a 7year old account too. Also my 1 and only alt.... though, I'm thinking of getting an EU account to play with a few friends there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 not sure about druid tho, it won EU mat, with some sort of bunker semi support build, not sure if that build would be a thing on ranked or it requires team coordination to play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 16 hours ago, Saiyan.1704 said: Garbage tier specs: 1.) Mechanist - Basically negative 2 people on any given team. They do everything wrong. 2.) Firebrand - Will always be replaced by Core Guard Supp because it's still better. 3.) Druid - Pigeonholed into some weird side-node condi bunker that isn't better than other sidenoder specs. 4.) Scrapper - Has bursts but 0 self sustains and will always get farmed, especially now that DH exists. If you're not a necro, czerk, or specter and you play a condi build, add yourself to the list *struts into thread on condi thief and an overwhelmingly large sense of entitlement* Quote Honestly... players need to stop running condi and learn a power build trUUUUUUUUUUU- but it won't happen, unfortunately, You'd need to do something wretched like removing rabid amulet to get that future. Quote Lol, OP you are one of the reasons I think the game would become much better, if there would be a hard cap of damage at 20k DPS. mfw people want to cap the amount of damage players can do Edited January 5 by Azure The Heartless.3261 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 *packs up my shadow realm specs and moves elsewhere* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Scrapper is THE most popular dps in top tier play while druid has been seeing lots of meta usage lately including winning the last MaT iirc. Weird choices for garbage tier specs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarisGolding.3297 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 @Saiyan.1704I generally agree with most of your post but as your semi often duo partner i feel compelled to remind you that you often duo with a condi tempest named Maris who also has an account Siram (some dumb DH gave me the idea😚) both of which accounts are mid p1 and do quite fine holding their own. I refuse to add myself to the trash heap but will throw some wood on the fire you already started 😃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 47 minutes ago, MarisGolding.3297 said: @Saiyan.1704I generally agree with most of your post but as your semi often duo partner i feel compelled to remind you that you often duo with a condi tempest named Maris who also has an account Siram (some dumb DH gave me the idea😚) both of which accounts are mid p1 and do quite fine holding their own. I refuse to add myself to the trash heap but will throw some wood on the fire you already started 😃 Add as much wood as you can! I want the fire to be visible for miles! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 5 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said: not sure about druid tho, it won EU mat, with some sort of bunker semi support build, not sure if that build would be a thing on ranked or it requires team coordination to play well. From my perspective, it requires zero team coordination to play well. I only play it and have played against Naru/CJ/<insert name here> top 10's on opposite teams with games being very close--last one only lost 480-500. Currently I'm sitting at I think a mere 1420--but I've never duo'd in ranked, and at one point this season I decided just to grind out games for Wizard Vault and went 1490 => 1260 (lol) and since basically only have played enough games to get on the board...if I was trying harder / grinding out more games maybe could have top 100 with it. That's why out of any spec I like Druid as it really does require a certain amount of skill to be helpful on as so many things shut it down now. If you CAN play it well, then I think it's something to be proud of--well as proud as anyone can be in this balance nightmare 😂. Edited January 5 by Gotejjeken.1267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I'm currently enjoying playing dagger/pistol mirage even though it's not useful past gold 2. But instead of saying it's bad, I'm gonna say daze spam from the ambush is pretty crazy. It should definitely get a nerf. I feel bad about the people I stun/daze lock to death and all I really do is spam pistol 5 and ambushes. 🤷 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: You'd need to do something wretched like removing rabid amulet to get that future. I don't think you'd actually need to do that if picking rabid meant that you were (relatively more) weak against condition damage, since toughness doesn't affect em. But the ability to handle conditions comes from every other aspect of the buildcraft, and the specs that can get away with wearing rabid also tend to handle conditions really well, so they're not really making any sort of trades or hard decisions for it. Less strike damage, I guess, if that matters to the build. I don't think it's good by any means, but I also think the players that pick mechanist make it look a lot worse than it is too. Like, across the whole game it's a spec that doesn't teach you how to play very well, arguably intentionally so. anyways toss renegade on the list because im selfish, buff me thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, Shagie.7612 said: anyways toss renegade on the list because im selfish, buff me There is nothing selfish about this XD Renegade is THE worst, and least played profession, and its not even close. (yes i know FB exists!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 8 hours ago, ArthurDent.9538 said: Scrapper is THE most popular dps in top tier play while druid has been seeing lots of meta usage lately including winning the last MaT iirc. Weird choices for garbage tier specs. Saiyan doesn't realize he's the problem with mm as the unqualified "plat" player in a lobby who doesn't match the other teams plats-- this thread probably came out of frustration on a bad q session on the meaningless alt account Classes are whatever it's when you don't put yourself in winning trades on map for the 'role' your build/rating should be matching Just had a game where the p2 coregod x marci duo on my team avoided any teamfight or side node vs the other teams p2 duo. Just run far and chase a nameless mech/virt player! Not sure how anet can help these traumatized ranked players Edited January 5 by ccccc.4963 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frequency.6407 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: There is nothing selfish about this XD Renegade is THE worst, and least played profession, and its not even close. (yes i know FB exists!) I don't know about the current situation of renegade but it was one of the best specs for countering DH before EoD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, Frequency.6407 said: I don't know about the current situation of renegade but it was one of the best specs for countering DH before EoD. The current situation has never been worse for ren, it really is the most pointless dps spec going. The legend abilitys are great on paper, but bad in practice, they are a downgrade from herald/vindi and even core. The only real thing ren had going for it was shortbow+pierce, which all specs have now. It can have high bleed condi or higher crit, but that isnt worth losing vindi/herald legends, or even extra damage/sustain from another core line. There is some very promosing support/condi ren point builds (ironic for what is suppose to be a ranged spec) that me and another poster here tried. The scepter might actually make that build more viable as a side noder/main point support, the ren legends really lack quick sustain (but are very good when they work) its all cast and all aoe fields that fights often move out of, the scepter might fix that gap with the shielding on the move. It would be pretty hillarious if ren, the ranged dps, became the best point support of rev. Edited January 5 by Flowki.7194 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 10 hours ago, ccccc.4963 said: Saiyan doesn't realize he's the problem with mm as the unqualified "plat" player in a lobby who doesn't match the other teams plats-- this thread probably came out of frustration on a bad q session on the meaningless alt account What is it with your posts that has an absurd amount of assumptions to them. Circle the first three letters of that word. By the way gg 2minutes ago. Figured the score would be closer but guess yalls thief wasn't thiefing very well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: What is it with your posts that has an absurd amount of assumptions to them. Is this supposed to be a serious thread? You giving a tiktok 'vibe' rate of classes? 18 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: By the way gg 2minutes 18 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: but guess yalls thief wasn't thiefing very well. Yeah he sat in spawn at the 11min mark , I personally wouldn't call that a good game but different bars for people I guess Edited January 5 by ccccc.4963 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ccccc.4963 said: Is this supposed to be a serious thread? You giving a tiktok 'vibe' rate of classes? It sure got you vested in it. Quote "I'm not talking to players who are already Plat..." Perhaps I should have emphasized this more in my OP. Edited January 5 by Saiyan.1704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: It sure got you vested in it. Thread reads like the mount maz/flowki post so I engaged in it with another perfect take (as always) THERE ARE NO BAD CLASSES JUST BAD MATCH UPS. jimguns owns on mech. Edited January 5 by ccccc.4963 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mne Malo Tebya.2965 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 1/4/2024 at 9:33 AM, Saiyan.1704 said: 4.) Scrapper - Has bursts but 0 self sustains and will always get farmed, especially now that DH exists. Exactly! Nerf DH and buff scrapper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonggangKikay.9576 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Scrapper garbage? druid garbage? LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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