Thron Stal.9367 Posted Saturday at 09:54 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:54 PM Why did you give me Cele gear when I boosted my characters? I mainly play WvW. I feel screwed over!!! Wasted REAL LIFE money! 1 1 8 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkalto.5743 Posted Saturday at 09:58 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:58 PM You can buy stat-selectable exotic armor, weapons, and accessories for super cheap at this vendor in WvW. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/TEID-07_Unified_Vendor_System 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thron Stal.9367 Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM Just now, Merkalto.5743 said: You can buy stat-selectable exotic armor, weapons, and accessories for super cheap at this vendor in WvW. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/TEID-07_Unified_Vendor_System ANET PAID BOOST does not include the above and it did not in the past. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bq pd.2148 Posted Saturday at 10:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:27 PM the boost costs what 2k gems? turn that into gold is more than 500g and enough to buy multiple sets from the vendor in WvW, as a mainly WvW player you should not be lacking WvW currency in there or tomes to level up the characters. there are changes to balance all the time in this game, do i need to ask for refunds on all the template/bag slots i bought for characters that recieved a nerf? no. for the goal of a balance patch is not to make something un-viable, it is to bring it in line. granted anet does fail at that regularly. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Calaway.9718 Posted Saturday at 10:58 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:58 PM 57 minutes ago, Thron Stal.9367 said: Why did you give me Cele gear when I boosted my characters? You used to get Soldier gear with the level 80 booster, which was incredibly not good. You had all the power, but no precision or ferocity, so power damage was too low, and that was the best you could expect... forget about condition damage or support, they were impossible to try out with Soldier gear. So a change was made, and quite rightly so, to have Celestial gear in the level 80 booster, since with that you can try power damage, condition damage as well as support builds. That's why they gave you Celestial gear when you boosted your character, and to answer your hypothetical follow up question, it's getting nerfed now because some players think they keep losing in WvW because of it, and after they keep losing even with the nerf they'll find something else to blame. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riba.3271 Posted Saturday at 10:59 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:59 PM Overpowered things get nerfed. Live with it. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Posted Sunday at 12:38 AM Share Posted Sunday at 12:38 AM As far as I have understood the patch notes, they only remove concentration and expertise. That is still 7 stats left and 3-4 more than any other player. Is it really only those two stats in celestial gear that decide whether you win or lose a fight? In that case, I fear the nerf is overdue. If I complained like that after every patch that broke one of my builds, I would have quit right after the launch of Heart of Thorns. And yes, it is builds = multiple. Depending on the size of the patch-notes, I sometimes have to re-gear multiple characters. The rune/relic-patch has crushed me ... 9 builds, where I had to re-gear as a result. Or think about the Rune of Torment nerf. That thing alone lead to hundreds of characters needing new gear sets. As a WvW main, you should have easy access to gear anyway. There is not much you can spend your money on. If you play active, ascended should also be quite easy to acquire. Yet you complain about the "paid" exotic stuff? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungozen.2379 Posted Monday at 01:41 PM Share Posted Monday at 01:41 PM (edited) On 9/14/2024 at 5:38 PM, HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said: As far as I have understood the patch notes, they only remove concentration and expertise. That is still 7 stats left and 3-4 more than any other player. Is it really only those two stats in celestial gear that decide whether you win or lose a fight? In that case, I fear the nerf is overdue. If I complained like that after every patch that broke one of my builds, I would have quit right after the launch of Heart of Thorns. And yes, it is builds = multiple. Depending on the size of the patch-notes, I sometimes have to re-gear multiple characters. The rune/relic-patch has crushed me ... 9 builds, where I had to re-gear as a result. Or think about the Rune of Torment nerf. That thing alone lead to hundreds of characters needing new gear sets. As a WvW main, you should have easy access to gear anyway. There is not much you can spend your money on. If you play active, ascended should also be quite easy to acquire. Yet you complain about the "paid" exotic stuff? If you go back to May 2021 when Anet buffed Celestial (to include Concentration and Expertise) the general opinion of Celestial was that it was bad. That the changes wouldn't move the needle on Celestial being good enough to outperform 4 stat gearing. Players generally didn't realize the power of Hybrid builds yet. This change back to no Concentration and Expertise effectively removes Celestial from WvW since Hybrid builds needed those stats for Condi and Boon application. It should mean we see players gearing more for a specific role (Power, Condi, Support) which has it's positives, but removes an entire playstyle. That Anet couldn't find a way to balance Celestial builds is a shame, but they probably want simple and quick solutions to the problems game development has. And this change is that, quick and easy for them. What I think is interesting is that they decided to remove 2 of 9 stats on Celestial rather than adjust the entire stat cost down and leave Concentration and Expertise included. They could remove the same number of stat points across all stats on Celestial gear and see the impact that has. It would probably keep Celestial builds available but drop their performance against 4 stat combos. Edited Monday at 01:46 PM by mungozen.2379 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thron Stal.9367 Posted Tuesday at 02:59 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:59 AM On 9/15/2024 at 6:58 AM, Dean Calaway.9718 said: You used to get Soldier gear with the level 80 booster, which was incredibly not good. You had all the power, but no precision or ferocity, so power damage was too low, and that was the best you could expect... forget about condition damage or support, they were impossible to try out with Soldier gear. So a change was made, and quite rightly so, to have Celestial gear in the level 80 booster, since with that you can try power damage, condition damage as well as support builds. That's why they gave you Celestial gear when you boosted your character, and to answer your hypothetical follow up question, it's getting nerfed now because some players think they keep losing in WvW because of it, and after they keep losing even with the nerf they'll find something else to blame. Now there is the exact truth, the whiners win again! 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted Tuesday at 09:35 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:35 AM On 9/14/2024 at 6:59 PM, Riba.3271 said: Overpowered things get nerfed. Live with it. Or maybe address the skills that over perform? Do I need to look up your replies on the calls to nerf PvT and Knights as well? Let alone TB and other calls to nerf gear sets? Nerfing gear sets is a terribad call in all game modes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandzibar.5134 Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM Cele change is barely a nerf. I doubt many newer players would even notice the difference if you gave them the cele vs diet cele taste challenge. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaiawolf.8261 Posted Tuesday at 02:40 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:40 PM On 9/14/2024 at 6:27 PM, bq pd.2148 said: the boost costs what 2k gems? turn that into gold is more than 500g How do you turn a level 80 boost into 500g? They're account bound and come included with other purchases. You can't get gems or gold from them afaik. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker.2906 Posted Tuesday at 06:54 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:54 PM Since you're only losing on conc/expe, can't you just look for those stats on runes, relics, infusions, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyreva.1078 Posted Tuesday at 07:04 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:04 PM 9 hours ago, TheGrimm.5624 said: Nerfing gear sets is a terribad call in all game modes. So is buffing gear sets. By nerfing cele they are just fixing a mistake they made 3 years ago. Nothing else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy.3728 Posted Tuesday at 07:17 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:17 PM On 9/14/2024 at 11:54 PM, Thron Stal.9367 said: Why did you give me Cele gear when I boosted my characters? I mainly play WvW. I feel screwed over!!! Wasted REAL LIFE money! Before the change to cele gear it was soldier gear (power, toughness, vitality). Would that make you happier? Also it is just some exotic gear - as wvw player you can go to Ted and just change it. Or gear up ascended with infusions as you're supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 14 hours ago, Zyreva.1078 said: So is buffing gear sets. By nerfing cele they are just fixing a mistake they made 3 years ago. Nothing else. This is less about Cele and more about: "With this update, we're introducing the tech to adjust equipment's attribute distribution and the amount of attributes it provides on a per game–mode basis." So do you want the limited system that sPvP offers or a more open one that WvW has? Edited 16 hours ago by TheGrimm.5624 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago I knew that this change will give me some good content on here. Keep it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow.8209 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago (edited) On 9/14/2024 at 3:27 PM, bq pd.2148 said: the boost costs what 2k gems? turn that into gold is more than 500g huh? that's a weird argument for a thing that's account bound and can't even be taken out of shared inventory except to consume it. I got a number of those boosts along with DLC. They can't be un-used once you've consumed it tho. unless you mean buying a boost separately from a DLC and spending that money on gems instead.... seems to make your argument be that OP should have foreseen the future. ??? Edited 14 hours ago by willow.8209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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