Your DPS is Trash

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners. GS 2 only..

you have 1 day to do that..

You do realize that we are talking about raid builds in PvE right. This is with the assumption that you will have max boons, vul and some other raid utilities. Of course nobody should use max dps build in wvw, do you know what forum you are on?

k.

B) B) B).V.. ..I..

Now I just kind of feel bad. I hope you think about this moment and reflect once you get out of school.

I don't prove myself to you. there are persons laughing at you atm (and even those people who are in remote mode)..

I don't think if you realize but there are different people with different age groups on the internet. I am currently way past the age of being bothered by a child's lies and tantrum. If you are not one, then I have to say drawing middle finger with emojis would have to be very terrible arguments indeed.

This is my last post and I hope you can look back to this conversation and reflect where it went wrong.

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@Warscythes.9307 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Warscythes.9307 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
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@Cyninja.2954 said:
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@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
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@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners. GS 2 only..

you have 1 day to do that..

You do realize that we are talking about raid builds in PvE right. This is with the assumption that you will have max boons, vul and some other raid utilities. Of course nobody should use max dps build in wvw, do you know what forum you are on?

k.

B) B) B).V.. ..I..

Now I just kind of feel bad. I hope you think about this moment and reflect once you get out of school.

I don't prove myself to you. there are persons laughing at you atm (and even those people who are in remote mode)..

I don't think if you realize but there are different people with different age groups on the internet. I am currently way past the age of being bothered by a child's lies and tantrum. If you are not one, then I have to say drawing middle finger with emojis would have to be very terrible arguments indeed.

This is my last post and I hope you can look back to this conversation and reflect where it went wrong.

its not the middle finger. it's the roman numeral #6, surrounded by 34..

what went wrong? the usual: 1 vs many gang people.

it's one guy who doesn't use a third party app and many guys/(?) who uses a third party app..

and that's not rare. happens errday..

you're all about the numbers, indeed.

proven again. QED.

Cyninja.2954 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
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@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
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@zionophir.6845 said:
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@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:https://imgur.com/kYpo1GM66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):https://imgur.com/viAYgDE92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

EDIT: also no food buff used, but should not matter since both results were done under similar conditions.

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:

66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):

92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

kill a veteran in wvwvw -> veteran guard camp = skill 2 GS (expose your boons and condis). last damage. must be hitting only the guard.

Cyninja.2954 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:

66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):

92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

kill a veteran in wvwvw -> veteran guard camp = skill 2 GS (expose your boons and condis). last damage. must be hitting only the guard.

Right, go troll somewhere else.

Dawdler.8521 · July 1, 2019

The thread title was funny, but the last page of people arguing dps and WvW is even funnier.

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:

66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):

92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

kill a veteran in wvwvw -> veteran guard camp = skill 2 GS (expose your boons and condis). last damage. must be hitting only the guard.

25 might with banners (berserker) and others. (golem stacked with some 25 vuln) [ETC]

and you're alone..

66k

and that golem is not even a proper PvE/ PvP zone.

of course.

this was funny.

roll that in WvWvW. try it..

and show me throwing yourself in the middle of the zerg and auto-downing/or instakilling 5 people.

i want that same warrior that you shown..

this time i need a video.

maddoctor.2738 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:yeah, what just came out of this discussion with you is you assumed that a warrior's total DPS is only from Greatsword skill2.

Again you don't understand what the words DPS mean, now I'll try to break it for you for one final time.Your picture shows Damage, 15k damage in your highest attack.The benchmark for the Warrior is 33k AVERAGE damage after the golem dies.Now let's explain what AVERAGE means, it's just basic statistics. When you average damage you take multiple instances of damage (your 15k is only ONE of these), sum them, then divide them by the amount of time it took to kill the target. This gives you the average damage you did over that period of time, otherwise known as damage per second.If that confused you, have an example: if I did 330k damage over 10 seconds, my DPS is 33k. You did 15k with your highest damage attack, meaning even if you could only do that attack every second you'd get 15x10=150k total damage, which is still lower than the 330k total damage of the benchmark. You can't do that though because GS2 has a 3.5 second cast time, but let's keep it to primary school level math and not too complex.

And people say you don't learn new things on gaming forums.

Now, I asked you to go to the training area, fight the golem, and show us a picture of the damage per second. It's something anyone can do, it's not rocket science, so I'm not sure why you hesitate so much to just go do that and instead you throw insults at people who try to be polite.

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@maddoctor.2738 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:yeah, what just came out of this discussion with you is you assumed that a warrior's total DPS is only from Greatsword skill2.

Again you don't understand what the words DPS mean, now I'll try to break it for you for one final time.Your picture shows Damage, 15k damage in your highest attack.The benchmark for the Warrior is 33k AVERAGE damage after the golem dies.Now let's explain what AVERAGE means, it's just basic statistics. When you average damage you take multiple instances of damage (your 15k is only ONE of these), sum them, then divide them by the amount of time it took to kill the target. This gives you the average damage you did over that period of time, otherwise known as damage per second.If that confused you, have an example: if I did 330k damage over 10 seconds, my DPS is 33k. You did 15k with your highest damage attack, meaning even if you could only do that attack every second you'd get 15x10=150k total damage, which is still lower than the 330k total damage of the benchmark. You can't do that though because GS2 has a 3.5 second cast time, but let's keep it to primary school level math and not too complex.

And people say you don't learn new things on gaming forums.

Now, I asked you to go to the training area, fight the golem, and show us a picture of the damage per second. It's something anyone can do, it's not rocket science, so I'm not sure why you hesitate so much to just go do that and instead you throw insults at people who try to be polite.

yeah WHAT WAS THAT GOLEM? STANDING LIKE IT IS. IT IS NOT FIGHTING YOU.

TRY TO FUCKING FIGHT A GOLD CHAMP SOLO.

WHAT HAPPENS when a Gold Champ fights you and you are being damaged, you heal, you dodge AKA no damage..

maddoctor.2738 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:yeah WHAT WAS THAT GOLEM? STANDING LIKE IT IS. IT IS NOT FIGHTING YOU.
TRY TO kitten FIGHT A GOLD CHAMP SOLO.
WHAT HAPPENS when a Gold Champ fights you and you are being damaged, you heal, you dodge AKA no damage..

Who cares? The benchmark is on that golem and you claim you do great damage. Go prove it instead of throwing a tantrum.Also, gold champs? Really? I just killed the Green Guardian before Vale Guardian solo, that actually takes some skill, WVW champions are for toddlers.

Carcharoth Lucian.1378 · July 1, 2019

@Dawdler.8521 said:The thread title was funny, but the last page of people arguing dps and WvW is even funnier.

Yeah it is, @zionophir.6845 is a really funny guy :)

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@maddoctor.2738 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:yeah WHAT WAS THAT GOLEM? STANDING LIKE IT IS. IT IS NOT FIGHTING YOU.
TRY TO kitten FIGHT A GOLD CHAMP SOLO.
WHAT HAPPENS when a Gold Champ fights you and you are being damaged, you heal, you dodge AKA no damage..

Who cares? The benchmark is on that golem and you claim you do great damage. Go prove it instead of throwing a tantrum.Also, gold champs? Really? I just killed the Green Guardian before Vale Guardian solo, that actually takes some skill, WVW champions are for toddlers.

back it up..

i know that you know that overgrown grub can be soloable..

maddoctor.2738 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:
@maddoctor.2738 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:yeah WHAT WAS THAT GOLEM? STANDING LIKE IT IS. IT IS NOT FIGHTING YOU.
TRY TO kitten FIGHT A GOLD CHAMP SOLO.
WHAT HAPPENS when a Gold Champ fights you and you are being damaged, you heal, you dodge AKA no damage..

Who cares? The benchmark is on that golem and you claim you do great damage. Go prove it instead of throwing a tantrum.Also, gold champs? Really? I just killed the Green Guardian before Vale Guardian solo, that actually takes some skill, WVW champions are for toddlers.

back it up..

After you. Show us your actual dps first.

It's ironic that you ask someone to back something up even though you haven't backed ANYTHING you'ever posted in this thread.

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@maddoctor.2738 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@maddoctor.2738 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:yeah WHAT WAS THAT GOLEM? STANDING LIKE IT IS. IT IS NOT FIGHTING YOU.
TRY TO kitten FIGHT A GOLD CHAMP SOLO.
WHAT HAPPENS when a Gold Champ fights you and you are being damaged, you heal, you dodge AKA no damage..

Who cares? The benchmark is on that golem and you claim you do great damage. Go prove it instead of throwing a tantrum.Also, gold champs? Really? I just killed the Green Guardian before Vale Guardian solo, that actually takes some skill, WVW champions are for toddlers.

back it up..

After you. Show us your actual dps first.

you are claiming that you are pro in mathematics right? derive the components from that 15k skill 2 gs on a Vet in WvWvW (vet guard) without food and no vuln applied/9 might.

and from there calculate my DPS. you can even use arcdps for that (just remote it [this is much easier i think]).

Cyninja.2954 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
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@zionophir.6845 said:
@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
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@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:

66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):

92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

kill a veteran in wvwvw -> veteran guard camp = skill 2 GS (expose your boons and condis). last damage. must be hitting only the guard.

25 might with banners (berserker) and others. (golem stacked with some 25 vuln) [ETC]

and you're alone..

66k

and that golem is not even a proper PvE/ PvP zone.

of course.

this was funny.

roll that in WvWvW. try it..

and show me throwing yourself in the middle of the zerg and auto-downing/or instakilling 5 people.

i want that same warrior that you shown..

this time i need a video.

Small reminder, this thread is called: Your DPS is Trash

The thread is in the: Fractals, Dungeons, and Raids

The major points brought up were arcdps and how it affects pve.

If you want to argue WvW, you are in the wrong forum, in the wrong topic talking about the wrong addon.

maddoctor.2738 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:you are claiming that you are pro in mathematics right? derive the components from that 15k skill 2 gs on a Vet in WvWvW (vet guard) without food and no vuln applied/9 might.
and from there calculate my DPS. you can even use arcdps for that (just remote it [this is much easier i think]).

15k is from a single skill that doesn't show how much damage the rest of your skills do. So go and actually count it it's not really hard to do. Start to back up your claims.

zionophir.6845 · July 1, 2019

@Cyninja.2954 said:
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@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
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@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:

66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):

92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

kill a veteran in wvwvw -> veteran guard camp = skill 2 GS (expose your boons and condis). last damage. must be hitting only the guard.

25 might with banners (berserker) and others. (golem stacked with some 25 vuln) [ETC]

and you're alone..

66k

and that golem is not even a proper PvE/ PvP zone.

of course.

this was funny.

roll that in WvWvW. try it..

and show me throwing yourself in the middle of the zerg and auto-downing/or instakilling 5 people.

i want that same warrior that you shown..

this time i need a video.

Small reminder, this thread is called:

Your DPS is Trash

The thread is in the:

Fractals, Dungeons, and Raids

The major points brought up were

arcdps and how it affects pve

.

If you want to argue WvW, you are in the wrong forum, in the wrong topic talking about the wrong addon.

well you prove your dps via hitting a non fighting legendary.

there are Gold Champs in towers/keeps , three champs even in EBG.

Cyninja.2954 · July 1, 2019

@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Cyninja.2954 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@zionophir.6845 said:
@Asum.4960 said:
@neven.3785 said:In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

@zionophir.6845 said:so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?
of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?
and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..
i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."
right?

I'm not quite sure what your point here is.Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

k.

assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

4 attributes gets to +100..

ok

compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

Right?

so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

k.

you're talking about raids.

im talking about fractals/dungeons.

big difference.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

@zionophir.6845 said:and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

@zionophir.6845 said:and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

And Axe 5 can do over 100k damage.Not sure what that has to do with anything though...

Considering Hundred Blades has a cast time of 3.5 seconds without quickness and you are doing 30k damage with it, then congratulations, you are contributing less than 9k DPS.

@zionophir.6845 said:in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?
i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..
anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

Again, not how DPS works.Your party of 5 would do less DPS at peak times than 1 1/2 DPS of a META group.

There is this program I can highly recommend called ArcDPS, which can greatly help you check your actual performance in terms of DPS, assisting you in improving as player.

last hit skill 2, on a copper Veteran mob, in WvWvW in 9 might

SCALE THAT TO A GOLD BOSS WITH 4 PLAYERS 25 MIGHT MAX VULNERABILITY..

so what's the moral lesson? don't assume that someone is always inventing stuff up..

right, as

um[e]?

and arcdps will make you a pro player? it's akin to cheats that makes a noob feel supremely pro.. sadly, just a feeling..

you're a comedian man. go apply in some comedy bar..

ahahAnd it's still bad^^ (and it will still be bad with 25 mights and vulne^^)Thanks you for the laughter :)

But you know, you're right : we are all noobs and you are the only one here that is good :)

yeah. it's bad yeah?

k.

your sarcastic last sentence felt that you bluffed and still cried inside..

what is 25 - 9 again?

and what is vulnerability?

and can the damage still go up?

WITHOUT BANNERS?

of course..

You do realize, you are not doing any of your arguments any favors right and pretty much any player who has a basic understanding of this game is laughing at you?

You do not understand the difference between single big hits and damage per second (I love when people bring up Warrior Greatsword 2. The skill has always been one of those skills which scales up the damage number done, while always having been a mediocre damage skill. Unfortunately not so smart players usually do not understand what that big number at the end means and how it translates into damage per second. It has been THE ONE defining example of people nut understanding game mechanics and the irony that you brought it up is great).

You do not understand the difference between group damage and solo damage. The entire meta setup for over 4 years has always been designed with 1 thought in mind: which skills bring the overall most damage (or use and utility) to the group. It is this sole approach which makes chronos, druids, firebrands and renegades bring quickness, fury, might and alacrity over pure damage. It's the reason why warriors bring banners and offhand maces (for cc) instead of personal damage skills. It's why a thief might bring Basiliks Venom over Thiefs Guild as elite.

You are the prime example of why arcdps is needed. So players who think they are way smarter and experienced than they are can use arcdps to actually improve. In your case a short trip to the damage golem would be sufficient though.

i showed you a 15k damage GS on a Vet solo with only 9 might and no vuln on that target and you raise the DPS card and "it's not about the maxed damage.."

GS 2 is part of DPS calculation am i brite? and with weapon reduction and might per crit hits GS2, what happens to DPS?

Greatsword 2 is a 3.5 second attack (

).

Warrior benchmarks at around 32.5k as damage dealer. Your Greatsword 2 would have to do 113,750 damage in those 3.5 seconds (3.5x 32.5k). That 15k single hit is useless information. A top performing warrior does twice that damage PER SECOND.

K, show me 113,750 and you and your gang wins this thread. hit a veteran guard, in wvwvw. no banners.

Watch that video. He breaks 100k damage displayed consistently with attacks which do not take 3.5 seconds.

I want you to DEmonstrate that to ME, since you're claiming 100k > 15k...

a screen shot can do.

DEADLINE: JUNE 2 8AMest

5 Minutes on the damage golem, not worth more of my time after setting up my warrior, Here:

66.3k Greatsword 2 combo (as I said, it's a mediocre dps skill)Given this number, the dps was around 19k for this 1 attack.

and here, your actual top damage skill under the exact same setup with just as much preparation (aka non at all):

92.9k Axe 5 comboGiven this number, the dps was around 26.5k.

I specifically did not get any auto attacks in before to not alter the result. Both attacks have a 3.5 second duration.

kill a veteran in wvwvw -> veteran guard camp = skill 2 GS (expose your boons and condis). last damage. must be hitting only the guard.

25 might with banners (berserker) and others. (golem stacked with some 25 vuln) [ETC]

and you're alone..

66k

and that golem is not even a proper PvE/ PvP zone.