Sindrener.1592 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Edit:Finals: Semifinals: This match was a little one sided, but mainly showing how crazy good core D/P really is This match was 1800 rated+ on both sides so it was fairly close so it's an exciting match to watch And last I show an automated tournament game to show it's perfectly viable in organised 5v5 as well uploading as we speakBuild is up on metabattle:https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Marauder_D/PAny questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Yeah it definitely is a good fun build. Last month or more been using trick/sa/cs with valkyrie amulet since precision matters little if ur permastealth and using hidden killer. With scholars I can one shot most non bunker builds and lesser haste let's me get auto with 2 sec crits quick enough to down tougher builds. Still takes two backstabs and some autos on bunker builds tho. Fear on stealth is good in alot of ways just hate chasing em for my follow ups lol.Thanks for posting sind, let the nerf pd thief flow in now in few weeks haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 @"bluri.2653" said:This match was a little one sided, but mainly showing how crazy good core D/P really is This match was 1800 rated+ on both sides so it was fairly close so it's an exciting match to watch And last I show an automated tournament game to show it's perfectly viable in organised 5v5 as well uploading as we speakBuild is up on metabattle:https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Marauder_D/PAny questions?-Does Smoke Screen feel like a good fit in that mode, mostly saw it in WvW for awhile but not much anymore?-How does Shadowstep feel as your one stun break?-I only get time to cram in some WvW after work so only really see videos of spvp, nice to see some shadow arts there. I've enjoyed Leeching Venoms lately, it scales up or down well if you're deliberate with it. Going back to D/P feels like sporting my old sneakers after wearing work boots for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 @kash.9213 said:@"bluri.2653" said:This match was a little one sided, but mainly showing how crazy good core D/P really is This match was 1800 rated+ on both sides so it was fairly close so it's an exciting match to watch And last I show an automated tournament game to show it's perfectly viable in organised 5v5 as well uploading as we speakBuild is up on metabattle:https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Marauder_D/PAny questions?-Does Smoke Screen feel like a good fit in that mode, mostly saw it in WvW for awhile but not much anymore?-How does Shadowstep feel as your one stun break?-I only get time to cram in some WvW after work so only really see videos of spvp, nice to see some shadow arts there. I've enjoyed Leeching Venoms lately, it scales up or down well if you're deliberate with it. Going back to D/P feels like sporting my old sneakers after wearing work boots for a week. i think smoke screen works good yeah, the projectile destruction is good, super short CD lasts long and is a blind.Shadowstep as only stunbreak is risky thats why i try to keep withdraw off cd when i spike, survive reveal -> heal and stealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 It give u the option of very high stealth uptime on a low cool down. Blinds are always good to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdracula.6345 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Woah. Is D/P back on the menu boys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 @omgdracula.6345 said:Woah. Is D/P back on the menu boys?Is now, On the Menu to be served up to the chopping block lolBroken now with the recent buffs its seen lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdracula.6345 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 @Psycoprophet.8107 said:@omgdracula.6345 said:Woah. Is D/P back on the menu boys?Is now, On the Menu to be served up to the chopping block lolBroken now with the recent buffs its seen lol.SHHHHHHHHHH don't let them know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saerni.2584 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Thanks @bluri.2653 Always good to have someone show how a wide variety of builds are viable if played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex.3275 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I still cant get over the fact how black powder feels. And ofcz leaping through it with heartseeker. Remember the days when BP was instant and u face your camera down and leap through it like 4 or even 5 times? Yeahh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 InB4 the build gets popularized and the complaint threads start rolling in like S/P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Good stuff. Shame it needs assassin signet to make it deal enough dmg lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Oh yeah, love me some core dp, it excites my pp...vp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:Good stuff. Shame it needs assassin signet to make it deal enough dmg lolPretty much any dp build in spvp needs it, too nerfed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiden The Beast.3016 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Such much D/P fun after soooo long time on S/D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Kinda goes hand in hand with the S/P meta though. D/P pretty clearly cannibalized it in this video a lot more than D/P was fighting well into say, boonbeast.D/P counters it pretty hard (as I've alluded in other posts) so it only makes sense. I'd expect things to bounce back to S/x as people adjust builds to counter D/P more, assuming it even becomes meta; if one thing is apparent in this video, it's that the S/P build is much simpler/easier to play to get similar results with.The Assassin's Signet choice surprises me a little because I'm really not sure how much it changes the outcome of any given fight, but it's understandable given how little damage core backstab does these days into the defense powercreep in the game, and how its short cooldown makes it more usable in comparison to other options that would probably have similar impact as a whole.@Sigmoid.7082 said:InB4 the build gets popularized and the complaint threads start rolling in like S/P. It won't get too far imho. S/P is easier by a significant margin and the real strength of the build is countering S/P and Mirage. As soon as people build/play around the weaknesses D/P has I would expect 90% of people to go back to S/x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 @DeceiverX.8361 said:Kinda goes hand in hand with the S/P meta though. D/P pretty clearly cannibalized it in this video a lot more than D/P was fighting well into say, boonbeast.D/P counters it pretty hard (as I've alluded in other posts) so it only makes sense. I'd expect things to bounce back to S/x as people adjust builds to counter D/P more, assuming it even becomes meta; if one thing is apparent in this video, it's that the S/P build is much simpler/easier to play to get similar results with.The Assassin's Signet choice surprises me a little because I'm really not sure how much it changes the outcome of any given fight, but it's understandable given how little damage core backstab does these days into the defense powercreep in the game, and how its short cooldown makes it more usable in comparison to other options that would probably have similar impact as a whole.@Sigmoid.7082 said:InB4 the build gets popularized and the complaint threads start rolling in like S/P. It won't get too far imho. S/P is easier by a significant margin and the real strength of the build is countering S/P and Mirage. As soon as people build/play around the weaknesses D/P has I would expect 90% of people to go back to S/x.No D/P build in sPVP is viable without assassin's signet because you hit like a wet noodle. This core d/p build is already meta over S/P due to the 1 shot potential. Everyone plays this in AT's now and i'm expecting most top teams in EU to run 1 core dp thief and in some teams even up to two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nil.4320 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 hello,i play this build in wvw and it is a lot of fun because the gameplay feels like a true thief/assassin.now my question: which ascended food is best for this build?66% steal life, 100 power, 70 precision or66% steal life, 100 power, 70 ferocity orsome other food i dont know of yet?I have 2636 power (with signet), 56% crit chance and 216% crit dmgthank you so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWMO.4785 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Im happy to say d/p sees some daylight again. But im really questioning its effectiveness. Sure its a "hit&run" build, which plays differently compared to sword/x. But is it better? Looking at that footage, the best you can do (as in what usually happens) is destroy about 40/50%'ish from your target health with assassin signet stealth backstab combo. Yes again i am aware that its a +1'er. But duo to that very reason i feel like sword/pistol is a lot more consistent. Which generally works better? Just my hunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 @"GWMO.4785" said:Im happy to say d/p sees some daylight again. But im really questioning its effectiveness. Sure its a "hit&run" build, which plays differently compared to sword/x. But is it better? Looking at that footage, the best you can do (as in what usually happens) is destroy about 40/50%'ish from your target health with assassin signet stealth backstab combo. Yes again i am aware that its a +1'er. But duo to that very reason i feel like sword/pistol is a lot more consistent. Which generally works better? Just my hunch...everyone in EU has moved over to core dp sa already so i'd say its effective, you will barely see any top eu team play S/P in monthly due to how good D/P 1 shot is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWMO.4785 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 @bluri.2653 said:Ok let me ask it differently. Since the last balance patch (december?), thief didnt had much changes. At least nothing important. Back then people where still playing s/d or s/p. What caused the sudden upraise for people to play core d/p again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 @GWMO.4785 said:@bluri.2653 said:Ok let me ask it differently. Since the last balance patch (december?), thief didnt had much changes. At least nothing important. Back then people where still playing s/d or s/p. What caused the sudden upraise for people to play core d/p again?The meta always decides what thief can pull off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Serious question, is executioner viable, or is improv better for double stolen items? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just personal preference but I prefer cs with hidden killer and val amulet and scholars. 20k hp and one shot most builds on every backstab where ass I find the build with DA instead even with high precision high dps backstabs still has chance to not crit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 deleted nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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