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@Justine.6351 said:How does one love a class that is always nerfed and never ever good at anything because anet loves to trash it because they think it's funny? 4 years, always nerf, never buff!

But ya, keep playing it...

Try threatening to quit the game unless fix, havn't seen one of those threads in a while.

Yeah because they delete them

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5 to 7 pets? CheckLong range skills? CheckStrong melee skills? CheckPower Burst damage? CheckAwesome condi damage? CheckTwo health bars with immunity? Check

I dont see what are you hating right now. Necro is one of the most loved classes of this game. It excels on almost everything. PvP, PvE, WvW, Damage, Burst, Condi and Surviability.Rangers and Mesmers wants to have a word with you

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@KeoLegend.5132 said:Rangers and Mesmers wants to have a word with you

Rangers and Mesmers, the classes with two guaranteed support raidspots each? Who both also have a DPS spec that does ~4k-6k more damage than Scourge? Those?Lol.

Scourge is still top tier

It's not, it's objectively bottom tier for PVE. Please stop talking about game content you're clearly clueless about, you two.

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@KeoLegend.5132 said:5 to 7 pets? CheckWrong you can only have up to 3 and it costs a ton of life force.Long range skills? CheckIts medium range actuallyStrong melee skills? CheckStrong vs melee yes in pvp

Power Burst damage? CheckIt was mostly condi actuallyAwesome condi damage? CheckWrong again.It used to have awesome condi damage and was nerfed by 10k, now it is the lowest condi dps class.

Two health bars with immunity? CheckWRONG WRONG WRONG!! You are confusing reaper with scourge.You cannot have reaper and scourge at the same time.

I dont see what are you hating right now. Necro is one of the most loved classes of this game. It excels on almost everything. PvP, PvE, WvW, Damage, Burst, Condi and Surviability.Rangers and Mesmers wants to have a word with you

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@reukies.6418 said:

@Warcry.1596 said:

@Substatic.6958 said:

@Warcry.1596 said don't have trouble finding groups of any kind.

Do you have raid logs after nerf?

I am not really sure what you mean by "raid logs". Could you clarify please? I suppose I should also give a bit more information myself. I don't really raid super often. Maybe once weekly, as the content to me is boring since it's entirely just a DPS race, which I have never found fun. Sure, there are mechanics, but they don't do enough to take away from needing to deal damage rapidly. I like content that doesn't require specific gear, like T4 Fractals where if someone isn't wearing DPS gear the content is still engaging and fun.

You said before you don't have trouble finding groups to raid with...but you don't raid often. Okay then....

When I do look for it, I don't have any trouble finding anything. Sorry I wasn't super clear about that, I'm not a great writer so my thoughts often get misinterpreted.

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@Warcry.1596 said:There is nothing wrong with what was changed. Balance was needed. And it is NOW balanced.

Yes, being below every other class in damage while offering less support is "balanced".

Your bias is showing. And it also shows that you don't raid "often" (ie: You likely only get carried in escort sometimes).

I only play necro... What bias?. I just find necro to be enjoyable as it is I guess. As far as my raiding experience goes, I have almost everything for a set of armor. Last thing is kneeling at the tree which should be this weekend I hope.

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@Hakuga.7158 said:

I shouldn't have to get a new dog Anet. I had a perfectly good one, and you murdered it.

Don't reroll.Grit your teeth and hone your necro until you can trash people with it.

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I dont see what are you hating right now. Necro is one of the most loved classes of this game. It excels on almost everything. PvP, PvE, WvW, Damage, Burst, Condi and Surviability.Rangers and Mesmers wants to have a word with you

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I have level 80's for each class and have played them to see if I enjoyed them as much as I did Necro, frankly I don't. That said, if it boiled down to having to pick a class I do not enjoy as much as Necro because it cannot be fixed I would not just walk away from the class but the game. Under no circumstances should anyone feel forced to play something they don't enjoy because isn't it the point of playing? There are no excuses after 5 years that can justify the current shape of the Necromancer balance and that is a black eye on Anet at this point. They need to put the time and effort into getting this to a respectable level in PvE so it has a place in high end content and there should not be any excuses left on the table as to why they can't, because that just means they don't have the right people in place, and that falls to management to fix.

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@KeoLegend.5132 said:5 to 7 pets? CheckLong range skills? CheckStrong melee skills? CheckPower Burst damage? CheckAwesome condi damage? CheckTwo health bars with immunity? Check

I dont see what are you hating right now. Necro is one of the most loved classes of this game. It excels on almost everything. PvP, PvE, WvW, Damage, Burst, Condi and Surviability.Rangers and Mesmers wants to have a word with you

  • Neither ranger nor mesmer would trad their mobility and active defense for a 2nd life bar with immunity (?).
  • Both ranger and mesmer have stronger burst than a necromancer.
  • Condi damage? honestly I'd take my mesmer over my necromancer anytime for that, as for ranger... well they outdps the necromancer easily, Raid were even monopolized by condi rangers until they gave more dps to condi elementalists.
  • Pets? are you even playing this game? Pets are the worst feature of this game, why would you even give any worth to such a thing? Would rangers and mesmer drool over necromancer's pet? No, absolutely no...

The necromancer excels at WvW zerg v zerg. There is no denying it, they are design to be a pain in this gamemode.In PvP, they are mainly punching ball that you take because they counter the boon meta but if they ain't here, that's also okay.In PvE, open world, necromancer or anything, it doesn't matter since the gamemode is accessible to anyone with any level of skill.In instanced PvE, the necromancer have a loooong history of being the unwanted guy.

  • it start with the core game where the necromancer simply had neither the damage nor the mobility nor the support necessary.
  • After that, came HoT where the necromancer were quickly kicked out of the new end game gamemode for the reasons list above.
  • In PoF, the necromancer is still equal to himself and still ave these little issue that make him unwanted.
  • Thanksfully there is one part of the PvE game where the necromancer isn't totally useless and that's high level fractal which have basically been designed for the necromancer.
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@Hakuga.7158 said:"Just reroll" you might say. "Why play necro? The Dev's hate the class. You haven't been viable for ANYTHING in 3 years. Just reroll already!"

But I shouldn't have to. This is a massive game company, running a game with 9 classes. 9. Not 15 (Tera), not multi-classes (FFXIV), not 12 (WoW). 9. 9 Classes. And you're telling me I have to reroll from one of the classes I chose, and fell in love with because the company who made the game is so inept that they can't even keep the classes sorta, kinda balanced?

That sucks. A lot. Truth be told though? I'm going to. I'm going to leave the one class I love in this game and go play something that just isn't as fun for me. Why? Because I don't want to drag everyone else around me down playing a class that can't even compete in DPS with other SUPPORT classes, while also offering almost 0 support.

It just feels wrong. I feel wronged. Like Anet attacked me personally. Like they showed up at my house, shot my dog and then said. "Just get a new one, geez."

I shouldn't have to get a new dog Anet. I had a perfectly good one, and you murdered it.

But you dont have to, Scourge is fine.. Everyone is jumping at a bug that was fixed calling it a nerf and guess what, people will still play it and it will still be good just not OP as it was

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@Mini Crinny.6190 said:

@Hakuga.7158 said:"Just reroll" you might say. "Why play necro? The Dev's hate the class. You haven't been viable for ANYTHING in 3 years. Just reroll already!"

But I shouldn't have to. This is a massive game company, running a game with 9 classes. 9. Not 15 (Tera), not multi-classes (FFXIV), not 12 (WoW). 9. 9 Classes. And you're telling me I have to reroll from one of the classes I chose, and fell in love with because the company who made the game is so inept that they can't even keep the classes sorta, kinda balanced?

That sucks. A lot. Truth be told though? I'm going to. I'm going to leave the one class I love in this game and go play something that just isn't as fun for me. Why? Because I don't want to drag everyone else around me down playing a class that can't even compete in DPS with other SUPPORT classes, while also offering almost 0 support.

It just feels wrong. I feel wronged. Like Anet attacked me personally. Like they showed up at my house, shot my dog and then said. "Just get a new one, geez."

I shouldn't have to get a new dog Anet. I had a perfectly good one, and you murdered it.

But you dont have to, Scourge is fine.. Everyone is jumping at a bug that was fixed calling it a nerf and guess what, people will still play it and it will still be good just not OP as it was

How is being one of the weakest spec for dps and support fine? What in the world MMOs did you play were this can be a thing?

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People claiming oh it's just a bug fix quit your complaining. The fix for shades was known. Gutting Dhuumfire was not. Other MMOs have a test server so we can see the effects and provide feedback so rash decisions aren't impressed upon 1 of your 9 professions. Even if Dhuumfire was not working as intended, it does not justify imposing an inconvenience for months without a balance to all game modes in the mean time. I should not be relegated because of poor programming/bug followed by a poor balance decision; none of these things should be our concern as a user. A reasonable expectation is that balance will be a constant part of any MMO. The time frame, communication, and feedback from the community is one of the larger issues here. We've been begging for PvE relevancy, you gave it to us, then took that away.

I've lost trust in Arena Net's management abilities. No intentions of logging back in till this crap is fixed. Inevitably my wife will stop playing and my real life friends if this current balance endures. Confidence in the company is an important part of our relationship and that has been damaged. Changes will happen, this dynamic relationship relies on reasonable compromise and communication. Long of it short, Arenanet we need to see a marriage counselor :pensive:

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@Substatic.6958 said:How is being one of the weakest spec for dps and support fine? What in the world MMOs did you play were this can be a thing?

First of all, Scourge was never meant to be the best dps as its a support spec so it was overperfoming you cant balance a class when it is hinged on bugs, so its only right to fix that bug before you balance so you can see where it goes, but hey, i remember all the scourges crying when Anet nerfed the spec a day before PoF release and was still OP when released, so its clear that necros just think if your not #1 your useless.

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@Hakuga.7158 said:"Just reroll" you might say. "Why play necro? The Dev's hate the class. You haven't been viable for ANYTHING in 3 years. Just reroll already!"

Viper Horror was epic less than a year ago, pretty much defining the top condi spec. Necros were dominant in PvP, WvW, and Open World. They’re still dominant in WvW and great in other content. The only place they haven’t been dominant (Viper Horror aside) was Raid. Kitten Raid...

This tiny shred of the game, noted for ignoring everything except DPS, somehow is seen as the be-all end-all for whether a class is competent. It’s not. Even worse, raiders don’t care about actual performance, they care solely about golem DPS charts. Pure garbage stats in a perfect DPS vacuum are not a valid basis to make any balance decisions, even for non-raid PvE.

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@mygamingid.5816 said:

@Hakuga.7158 said:"Just reroll" you might say. "Why play necro? The Dev's hate the class. You haven't been viable for ANYTHING in 3 years. Just reroll already!"

Viper Horror was epic less than a year ago, pretty much defining the top condi spec. Necros were dominant in PvP, WvW, and Open World. They’re still dominant in WvW and great in other content. The only place they haven’t been dominant (Viper Horror aside) was Raid. Kitten Raid...

This tiny shred of the game, noted for ignoring everything except DPS, somehow is seen as the be-all end-all for whether a class is competent. It’s not. Even worse, raiders don’t care about actual performance, they care solely about golem DPS charts. Pure garbage stats in a perfect DPS vacuum are not a valid basis to make any balance decisions, even for non-raid PvE.

Condi Reaper is actually quite a bit worse than just about any other benchmark outside of dummy due to chill field reliance. Glad you brought that up, Necro's only competitive dps spec is actually lower than all other classes competetive dps specs. Meaning Reaper does the lowest dmg in the game by 20% on average. With zero suppport. And scourge is worse.

And if raids are such a non factor, why were these nerfs also done in PVE when they have the tech to do separate changes? Clearly they balanced this with raids in mind. So they do matter....

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@Substatic.6958 said:How is being one of the weakest spec for dps and support fine? What in the world MMOs did you play were this can be a thing?

First of all, Scourge was never meant to be the best dps as its a support spec so it was overperfoming you cant balance a class when it is hinged on bugs, so its only right to fix that bug before you balance so you can see where it goes, but hey, i remember all the scourges crying when Anet nerfed the spec a day before PoF release and was still OP when released, so its clear that necros just think if your not #1 your useless.

The issue is other support specs do more dps and provide better support. No one wants or cares about barrier in PVE.

Scourge is bad support and bad dps. It's not fine. It is useless in PVE. A meme spec atm.

I'm sorry that I came from a game that has substantially superior balance. 10% higher dps gets people mad in that game. In gw2 30-50% more DPS is a normal occurrence. It's sad.

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Actually you didn't .. Necro's haven't been 'good dogs' for a long time, so let's be honest here. There was nothing perfect, or will be, exploiting a bug that wasn't intended that gives you ANY level of damage.

What's that say about the balancing team when a profession's only chance to be competitive is from a "bug"?

It says they don't balance the way you expect them to.

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@Obtena.7952 said:

@Windler.4815 said:

Actually you didn't .. Necro's haven't been 'good dogs' for a long time, so let's be honest here. There was nothing perfect, or will be, exploiting a bug that wasn't intended that gives you ANY level of damage.

What's that say about the balancing team when a profession's only chance to be competitive is from a "bug"?

It says they don't balance the way you expect them to.

The problem is they balance with a specific community mind set that has gone side ways with the introduction of Raids, this type of balancing is fine for Fractals because no one cares you bring the player, for Open World we are perfect and there was a golden age when Tequatl, Vine Wraith, Triple Trouble, the HoT Metas were our cutting edge PVE content and it was a beautiful thing, it bred a great community where no one gave a crap about DPS meters, we didn't have Raids where every one cared about the most efficient classes builds possible. Our community is like a group of kids that got into the liquor cabinet for a special occasion and it all went horribly wrong, except ANet can't put it back so we are stuck with the changes.

You know what's going to irk me about what comes next is this was a well thought out sober comment that is sincere and authentic, I might not be around for awhile after this comment but you can catch me on Reddit Raids_For_Casuals.

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@Mini Crinny.6190 said:

@Substatic.6958 said:How is being one of the weakest spec for dps and support fine? What in the world MMOs did you play were this can be a thing?

First of all, Scourge was never meant to be the best dps as its a support spec so it was overperfoming you cant balance a class when it is hinged on bugs, so its only right to fix that bug before you balance so you can see where it goes, but hey, i remember all the scourges crying when Anet nerfed the spec a day before PoF release and was still OP when released, so its clear that necros just think if your not #1 your useless.

That's not what they are saying, they don't want to be the #1 all the time.Necromancers want to be able to go to the end game as any other classes.... Because now if you're not meta you can just dream to go to raids for example.OK, it's been nerf on damages and it's fine if they had added some buff in counterparts. Scourge supposes to be a heavy support and he's not.And every time they announced a balance patch, all necromancers had hope and every time they have been deceived.

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@KeoLegend.5132 said:5 to 7 pets? CheckLong range skills? CheckStrong melee skills? CheckPower Burst damage? CheckAwesome condi damage? CheckTwo health bars with immunity? Check

I dont see what are you hating right now. Necro is one of the most loved classes of this game. It excels on almost everything. PvP, PvE, WvW, Damage, Burst, Condi and Surviability.Rangers and Mesmers wants to have a word with you

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