Legal Documentation Updates

[lucaster.6354]

Reinforces and expands on prohibitions against using certain types of third-party programs in connection with our games.

Does this mean that Taco will be forbidden?

[Parasite.5389]

i would recommend actually reading the agreement, rather than speculating

[TheQuickFox.3826]

Re: Legal Documentation Updates

Which updates?

[Parasite.5389]

@"TheQuickFox.3826" said:

Re: Legal Documentation Updates

Which updates?

https://guildwars2.com/en/news/legal-documentation-updates-effective-may-5-2021/

[Thundabolt.8541]

@Parasite.5389 said:i would recommend actually reading the agreement, rather than speculating

I read the documentation, it was pretty vague, I don't like vague when it comes to this sort of thing, so I will speculate, because at the moment that's all we can do.

There probably was a very good reason why the exact information was exempt from that list.

[Ashantara.8731]

These are the paragraphs that might interest you:

2.1.3 Prohibited Third-Party Programs.

We do not permit the use of any third-party software, tools, or programs that interact with the Services that give one player an unintended, unnatural, or unfair advantage over another player. Such prohibited third-party software, tools, or programs include those that alter Game-balance in favor of one player over another, automate actions within the Services, promote unattended gameplay, or have an adverse effect on other users of the Services. Prohibited third-party programs will be determined at our sole discretion.

(Source: https://us.ncsoft.com/en-us/legal/ncsoft/user-agreement)

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21) You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering items within our Games. You may not assist, relay, or store items for other players who are using these processes.

(Source: https://us.ncsoft.com/en-us/legal/ncsoft/code-of-conduct)

[TheQuickFox.3826]

@"lucaster.6354" said:

Reinforces and expands on prohibitions against using certain types of third-party programs in connection with our games.

Does this mean that Taco will be forbidden?

You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering items within our Games. > You may not assist, relay, or store items for other players who are using these processes.

I'm not a legal specialist but to me it does not seem that TaCo is doing any of this.

[Glott.4830]

So first of, Taco will most definitely be fine. It does not interact with the actual Game in any way and only uses Data from the GW2 API with Anet provides themself so if they didn't want someone to use it they could just pull the plug on there end.

What's got me a bit worried though is the following section from the new Policys:

3.1 Prohibited Conduct.... You may not do any of the following without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT:...

iii. Use, obtain, or provide data related to the operation of the Services, including, but not limited to, software that reads areas of computer memory or storage devices; intercepts or otherwise collects data; or redirects, creates, maintains, or emulates the Services.Depending on interpretation this could be problematic for popular Addons like ArcDPS or d912pxy as Arc definetly "reads memory" and "collects data" while d912pxy "redirects" some instructions for dx9 to dx12. Anets stand so far was that reading data related to combat, like DPS or Mecanig logs, was fine but something link gear checking was not if i'm not mistaking but this is EULA for all NCsoft games so i'm not even sure if Anet still has anything to say in this. I'm not expacting an "Okay, go on. Everyting is fine to use" from them, maybe just a nod if anything has change regarding there stand?

[Dawdler.8521]

Pretty sure this update is in response to a certain situation where NCsoft is suing someone that spent 3.5 million usd on lineage mobile because they rolled back game changes and people wanted refunds... so its not really about things in GW2.

I think.

[DoctorOverlord.8620]

@TheQuickFox.3826 said:I'm not a legal specialist but to me it does not seem that TaCo is doing any of this.@Glott.4830 said:So first of, Taco will most definitely be fine. It does not interact with the actual Game in any way and only uses Data from the GW2 API with Anet provides themself so if they didn't want someone to use it they could just pull the plug on there end.

Thanks for the opinions, this was something I was wondering about.

[WindBlade.8749]

@"Glott.4830" said:So first of, Taco will most definitely be fine. It does not interact with the actual Game in any way and only uses Data from the GW2 API with Anet provides themself so if they didn't want someone to use it they could just pull the plug on there end.

What's got me a bit worried though is the following section from the new Policys:

3.1 Prohibited Conduct.... You may not do any of the following without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT:...

iii. Use, obtain, or provide data related to the operation of the Services, including, but not limited to, software that reads areas of computer memory or storage devices; intercepts or otherwise collects data; or redirects, creates, maintains, or emulates the Services.Depending on interpretation this could be problematic for popular Addons like ArcDPS or d912pxy as Arc definetly "reads memory" and "collects data" while d912pxy "redirects" some instructions for dx9 to dx12. Anets stand so far was that reading data related to combat, like DPS or Mecanig logs, was fine but something link gear checking was not if i'm not mistaking but this is EULA for all NCsoft games so i'm not even sure if Anet still has anything to say in this. I'm not expacting an "Okay, go on. Everyting is fine to use" from them, maybe just a nod if anything has change regarding there stand?

Current arcdps is already illegal as reading memory was already not allowed in old contracts, it's just that the guy creating arcdps got a special permision if he was respecting some rules (like disable in pvp and a lot of shits (true template system rip)) and he worked about it with aenet, so i don't see that changing.

[drigas.1605]

I think here it would be nice if Anet officialy stated which ones of those Addons are ok to be used after the legal documentation updates.

[Dawdler.8521]

@drigas.1605 said:I think here it would be nice if Anet officialy stated which ones of those Addons are ok to be used after the legal documentation updates.They wont do that. The very point of EULAs is to appear incredibly specific yet be as diffuse as humanly possible.

[HnRkLnXqZ.1870]

I have one hope with the release of that rule-set. NC might punish harder than ANet.

[mercury ranique.2170]

@drigas.1605 said:I think here it would be nice if Anet officialy stated which ones of those Addons are ok to be used after the legal documentation updates.

They stated many many times they will not do this, and with good reasons.The most important reason is that people put too much emphasis on such a statement by Arenanet. Such a statement is always a snapshot statement. Those addons are maintained by third parties. What is ok now can be changed with a single update. What if the author of Taco updates it suddenly to include teleport to resource nodes.

The second reason is that no third party software will bring you in trouble. They are just tools you use. If you use those tools to break the rules, it is not the fault of the tool, but by your behaviour. If you read the actual legal documents, nothing has changed. It is, like stated, a clarification of the rules, no change to suddenly change the way they look at specific actions you do in game.