Is this the new Mesmer Elite Spec? ( From the Studio Update)

[Salt Mode.3780]

I dont understand or where in the lore is mesmer tide with music that apparent because I dont recall it being ever a case. In terms of support, mesmer had supporting capabilities in terms of control rather then direct heal/boon, they use to have a thing called glamour which was never expanded throughout the expansions. 

 

Pretty happy that it could be a blade dancer type of class rather then bard.

[Stavros.8249]

First of all this is definitely a mesmer. Look at the trousers and the shoes. They are sick clothes, not heavy armor revenant. 

Now about the weapon I think it is a double bladed dagger, because after the handle it goes pointy and spiky again like the front side. 

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Stavros.8249

[Hang.4690]

19 minutes ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

I dont understand or where in the lore is mesmer tide with music that apparent because I dont recall it being ever a case. In terms of support, mesmer had supporting capabilities in terms of control rather then direct heal/boon, they use to have a thing called glamour which was never expanded throughout the expansions. 

 

Pretty happy that it could be a blade dancer type of class rather then bard.

 

 

I guess people have seen music notes underwater and they say "this is destiny !" 😆

[Fueki.4753]

1 hour ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

I dont understand or where in the lore is mesmer tide with music that apparent because I dont recall it being ever a case. In terms of support, mesmer had supporting capabilities in terms of control rather then direct heal/boon, they use to have a thing called glamour which was never expanded throughout the expansions. 

 

Pretty happy that it could be a blade dancer type of class rather then bard.

For one, the Mesmer hero in GW1, Norgu, was an actor.

We know acting is a form of art, just like music is.

Arts are the physical representations of beauty (although that beauty is more often than not questionable).

 

Mesmers are tied to Lyssa, the goddess of beauty.

 

Although it's nowhere stated, it ought to be obvious that Mesmers are the one profession tied to beauty and therefore arts.

[Levetty.1279]

9 hours ago, Aylpse.6280 said:

Upsetting. I was personally hoping for Bard because I had an itch to play Support Mesmer. Well, there is bound to be one new support class out of the bunch. Guess I'll wait for that.

Mesmer has had support builds non stop since HoT released in a variety of game modes. What was wrong with any of them?

[Levetty.1279]

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Edited July 4, 2021 by Levetty.1279
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[Tseison.4659]

Called it a long while ago but if we’re going to get dual wielded daggers, I’m hoping the range is 900-1200 and I get this feeling the utilities will be along the lines of Acrobatics or Stances.

[Fueki.4753]

1 hour ago, Tseison.4659 said:

Called it a long while ago but if we’re going to get dual wielded daggers, I’m hoping the range is 900-1200 and I get this feeling the utilities will be along the lines of Acrobatics or Stances.

I'd prefer Mesmer daggers to be 600 - 900 in range and power-based.

Greatsword covers 1200 range already.

[Puck.3697]

13 hours ago, Alpha.1308 said:

that's a problem with pve, not mesmer, and chrono as a whole, and the uneducated out-of-no-where buff to staff mirage

the problems mesmer has in pve can be alleviated through fixing the class 

 

if its a problem with PvE then tell me why Mesmers like the only class in this Position? Its because Mesmers Proffessions do nothing but Role compress. we have no option out of that specifcally they turn everything we do into some sorta Role compression which then creates the problem.

 

Now.

 

If Mesmer gets a DPS, while a few other classes elites get access to things like tanking, Alacrity and Quickness.. u by default increase the Compression of other proffessions while not moving mesmers, this means they'll become on par with Mesmer thus creating More Roles for the mesmer by default providing that DPS SPecc is on par with other DPS Speccs.

 

but lets look at the largest fix this concept really has.

 

a Mesmer without shatters or illusions. thats the true bonus of it realsitically and thats what most have been screeching for, we talk about small scale fighting etc etc./. well if this elite completely undoes the current mechanic to the proffession.. it really doesnt have to be that anymore. it'll be whatever the new mechanic does best realistically.

 

every new set of elites causes some sorta power creep, so ofcourse Mesmers fixable, and yes that being done without Shatters is a positive thing for the proffession imho.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[Puck.3697]

3 hours ago, Tseison.4659 said:

Called it a long while ago but if we’re going to get dual wielded daggers, I’m hoping the range is 900-1200 and I get this feeling the utilities will be along the lines of Acrobatics or Stances.

 

i think it'll only be Main hand dagger, (getting 2 weapons is a Warrior only thing. its tied to their fantasy)

 

 

[Tseison.4659]

24 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said:

 

i think it'll only be Main hand dagger, (getting 2 weapons is a Warrior only thing. its tied to their fantasy)

 

 

Yeah because I want to use a dagger with the same tired kitten off hands….anyways, dual daggers sounds more appealing cuz atleast if we get an offhand dagger, it can be matched up with sword or scepter. I love versatility and don’t care if that’s a ‘Warrior’ thing. They need to start coming out with more dual handed/2 handed weapons anyways since who knows when we’ll get another expansion after EoD.

[necromaniac.7629]

8 hours ago, Hang.4690 said:

 

 

I guess people have seen music notes underwater and they say "this is destiny !" 😆

it is!

[AXLIB.8425]

 

18 hours ago, Daddy.8125 said:

The weapon doesn't really matter and rarely has done. What matters is the new mechanic and traits and how those entwine with our current kit tbh 

 

Imho I'm thankful it isn't a support specc. Like all mesmers do in PvE is support. 

 

Tank chrono

Quickness chrono

Alacrity mirage.

I beleive we do in fact have a healing build also

When I'm saying support, I mean a traditional support not a dps that also put out certain boon, which is what quickness chrono and alacrity mirage are, they offer 1 or 2 important boon to the group and dps, and not much else. I want a support like druid, heal tempest, healbrand, heal scrapper, and etc. those specialisation are all able to keep the group alive while providing strong boons, which non of the mesmer build is able to. the closest build is the heal quickness chrono on snowcrow, but that is a very niche build only used in raid and the main attraction of that build is that is a tank that provide quickness not the healing, the healing is only a cherry on top and is mostly there to keep self alive for better and more independent tanking (since the radius is so low on mantra and your teammates seem to think your well is a red circle and will somehow always avoid them at all cost).

 

But honestly, ideally for me is the new specc is a strong power spec that don't have clones, and let chrono have the option to be a pure support (meaning able to probably heal, not having everyone glued onto you to get some burst heal, as well as providing regen) by reworking wells(such as making wells to be mobile like gyro and spread out the final tick to be on all pulse) and maybe a good alacrity output on the current lost time place so chrono have to choose between quickness or alacrity since chrono is a time mage.

 

8 hours ago, Levetty.1279 said:

Mesmer has had support builds non stop since HoT released in a variety of game modes. What was wrong with any of them?

 

nothing necessarily wrong with with hybrid support builds that mesmer have, role compression is quite good in fact. But I do think having an actual traditional heal support on every profession by the EOD era will be good for build and class diversity, and mesmer, warrior, and thief are the only three professions that is currently lacking a heal-boon support

[Puck.3697]

4 hours ago, Tseison.4659 said:

eah because I want to use a dagger with the same tired kitten off hands….anyways, dual daggers sounds more appealing cuz atleast if we get an offhand dagger, it can be matched up with sword or scepter. I love versatility and don’t care if that’s a ‘Warrior’ thing. They need to start coming out with more dual handed/2 handed weapons anyways since who knows when we’ll get another expansion after EoD.

 

i cant see it happening prior having to. but sadly given they did give the exact reason to "Warriors have to wield all Dual wieldable weapons in both hands as its Warrior lore" to why Spellbreaker got double dagger.. its Litterally "We dont make 2 weapons for a elite". if u think about it no other elite has Ever introduced with 2.

 

i cant see them last second repeating it for Mesmer realistically, thats either a mainhand throwing weapon. or a Awkwardly held spear. 1 of the 2 are true.. thje best u could hope for is thats actually spear.

the wooden "hilt" as we think it is.. seems VERY Long for a Dagger realistically.. so we dont know.... people assume its dagger because most find it vastly unlikely they'd give mesmer a Underwater weapon on land.

 

1 hour ago, AXLIB.8425 said:

When I'm saying support, I mean a traditional support not a dps that also put out certain boon, which is what quickness chrono and alacrity mirage are, they offer 1 or 2 important boon to the group and dps, and not much else. I want a support like druid, heal tempest, healbrand, heal scrapper

 

the issue is, Chronomancer was a Traditional Support on its launch. the problem was How broken it was to honestly put that level of Support on a Mesmer lol. Mesmers have too Much Innate damage to become healers, thus because majority of their Traitlines are fully damage oriated at this point.

 

Because the game itself was never built to have healers in to begin with. it means at this point theres many concepts that get in the way of some builds becoming healers.. Also bard isnt a Healer or a Traditional Support.. we have a Musical themed weapon unwater.. its Pure Damage dealing. Bards are Buffers.. the idea is your Songs Bolster your Friends and Weaken ur Foes, Bards are Jack of All Trades, not Traditional support not pure anything.

 

I think if this was a bard u'd be dissapointed

 

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[AXLIB.8425]

17 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said:

chronomancer was this.. it got nerfed into the floor and then reworked u cant have a Fast, high mobile, high burst Damage Healer running around fields. Ur naming these heal builds but like how many of them are used? like honestly how manmy? Druid? and that aint to heal thats for buffs.

 

Hmm, did you read what I said, or just the first paragraph? I literately said in the second paragraph that ideally I want a strong power dps sepcc without clones like soulbeast for ranger and holo for engineer, and restore chrono to be the dedicated support.

And no, all those build are used in both raid and fractal. You sounds like you think only speed-run build are used(partially true, since a large portion of community seems to think like this), they don't make a fight faster but safer, which is actually better for a pug.

 

37 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said:

theres NOTHING in this game that requires a strict healer theres 0 Fundamental need in this game for a Pure Support, even with healbrand u'll generally just run a hybridized verison and not strictly healing.  u just stack scourges and Barrier share.

 

Healing mesmer, has been nerfed on all 3 builds that almost developed for it, thats just factual, Mesmers had 3 builds rise for healing. every one of them gutted, Im sorry, but ur never gonna get a Pure support mesmer and if u do. its viability will last so little time u'll be removed.

 

Mesmers can be Decent healers / Supports, the issue is No ones ever gonna want you.

you can use the absolute same argument for boons. there is NOTHING in this game requires boons, you can clear everything without boon, just much slower and harder. Also the reason no one wants heal mesmer is because it is just a really kitten one with the way mesmer heal currently.

 

41 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said:

I just want a Simple elite. which isnt going to get torn apart a few months into a new expansion to then spend the next 3 years Dealing with weird Restrictions and Strange bugs. mesmer heal builds are "nicht" because chrono got murdered early on. Because Chrono was off the walls in strength at its launch. Imho. chrono should go back to being the Support it was intended.. not the new elite.

 

I get why u want support.. ofcourse everyone wants their favorite aesthetic to fulfill their favorite roles, but imho.. its the wrong expansion for Bard, Mainly because this is a Cantha Nostalgia trip realistically, so i think getting Shurkien master (which was the illusionary weapon wielder in GW1) is just a better sell. and we've had anet try and introduce healer mesmer so many times and gut it. at this point i have 0 faith of it remainly balanced.

But yes, I don't want to see another mirage that just get core and other mesmer elite spec nerfed and another chrono that just keep losing its identity and use either. And Bard itself certainly doesn't fit the theme, but you can absolute still have a music theme with a Canthan/Asian theme. Something maybe like a geisha (which if it ever become a specialisation in gw, I can only see it being the mesmer spec) using traditional chinese instrument like Dizi (flute), guzheng(piano), and pipa(lute).

[Puck.3697]

8 minutes ago, AXLIB.8425 said:

And no, all those build are used in both raid and fractal. You sounds like you think only speed-run build are used(partially true, since a large portion of community seems to think like this), they don't make a fight faster but safer, which is actually better for a pug.

 

I watch ALOT of people pug and do these raids, i never reallyh see tempest used.. Scourge is actually safer then Tempest. because Scourges Carry role is FAR higher.

 

8 minutes ago, AXLIB.8425 said:

you can use the absolute same argument for boons. there is NOTHING in this game requires boons, you can clear everything without boon, just much slower and harder. Also the reason no one wants heal mesmer is because it is just a really kitten one with the way mesmer heal currently.

 

the issue is.. you do need boons. for example Condi Weaver cant do full DPS Without Alacrity. because its Weave self rotation litterally doesnt work. Power chronomancer requires Slow on the target or again Doesnt get near full DPS.

 

your comparing Boons. which are like 10k DPS per Player worth of Damage, to overhealing. Boons are needed to give Players DPS. Most players are sooo beneath the DPS Potientals, that tbh boons Basically Double their DPS alone for them... its a HUGE Carry potiental.

 

but Scourge kinda Replaced Tempest in the "Safe build". stack 5 scourges you will win.

 

Fundamentally, Quickness, Alacrity and More actually is VERY Needed, Low uptimes on these will Reduce everyones ability to perform any Role. it Fundamentally weakens the entire raid Not having these.. boons are FAR more requiring.

 

8 minutes ago, AXLIB.8425 said:

And Bard itself certainly doesn't fit the theme, but you can absolute still have a music theme with a Canthan/Asian theme

 

true, but i have doubts to bard being a Pure Traiditonal DPS option realistically,  Icant think of a iteration of this class which fits what ur giving it.. Generally Musical Classes are built around U enhance ur Allies and Weaken ur Foes with Words effectively, not a Healer. I'd Argue a Mesmer Healing theme would be Chronomancer.. Turn back time to revert damage taken by allies.

 

Bard thematically can fit. but if we are looknig at speculations.. alot of people think these Elites will be based on Re-iterations of a Past playstyle Which was Lost betwee nthe jump between GW 1 to GW2

 

I.E Hexs or Shurkien Master. Imho i ment more as in. If ur gonna go Nostalgia Sells way, comit to it. Give Warrior Monk, Give thief Assassin, Give Mesmer hexs/Illusionary Weapons. bring these Distinct game styles back. People have wanted these for a LOOOONG time, Mesmers are SOO different right now to what they were realistically and giving somethign back to them Should be done Espically in a Expansion where we are going back to a place where these classes DID Work in that way.

 

i ment Bard Doesnt Sell Nostalgia, like Hexs or Shurkien master will.

Edited July 4, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[Alpha.1308]

4 hours ago, Daddy.8125 said:

if its a problem with PvE then tell me why Mesmers like the only class in this Position? Its because Mesmers Proffessions do nothing but Role compress.

> ignoring how i literally included "chrono and the dumb mirage buff"

 

but i suppose i could have worded it better

that was my fault, i separated it poorly, putting a positive in between negatives

 

i meant it's a problem with pve's design overall, AND chrono, and then the disgusting decision for the mirage buff

 

and that it was NOT a problem with the core mesmer mechanic 

because overall, yea, the clones/shatters are fine for pve, because of the pet resist function, and it's....... not pvp.........  

 

but this is not a good mechanic to force people into for THREE elite specializations 

 

so, yes, i agree, remove shatters/clones in new espec, please 

 

 

unless i'm misunderstanding that part, because your post was honestly kind of a nightmare to read  

 

but yea, that's what i was getting at; 

pve itself can be fixed easily with tweaks, no core mechanical changes necessary (i mean...... beyond the other problems this game's pve struggles with.... but that's not the topic)

there are already quickness/alacrity on other classes

 

 

but the class really needs to have an alternative to this trashy pvp liability called NPCs;

they're either too strong, so the rest of the class gets kept down, or they're too weak because they're too easily prevented, but still with too much potential to the point that the devs are too afraid of buffing them to an acceptable state

 

 

50 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said:

I get why u want support.. ofcourse everyone wants their favorite aesthetic to fulfill their favorite roles, but imho.. its the wrong expansion for Bard, Mainly because this is a Cantha Nostalgia trip realistically, so i think getting Shurkien master (which was the illusionary weapon wielder in GW1) is just a better sell.

uhhh what the weeb is this 

how ya gonna tell someone their opinions shouldn't matter, then follow it up with a weeb opinion like that?

 

absolutely NOTHING correlates Illusionary Weaponry to "shurkien master"

 

IW in GW were mainly swords, with either daggers and possibly scythes for alternatives, using Flurry, because of how the weapon mechanics worked in that game 

 

nothing in that game had anything to do with shurikens at all except "haha japan i watch anime"

 

meanwhile, a music theme fits both kurzick and luxons, as well as gw2's "bard" concept design itself from april fools pre-mesmer announcement before the game even came out, along with the bard being in the game as a finisher to begin with 

 

i would personally also prefer chronomancer to be reworked into the mesmer's ACTUAL support spec, and then give us Illusionary Weaponry in the new e-spec, removing clones/shatters/phantasms

 

but if chronomancer is forever going to be a husk of a support that it could have potentially been because the devs find it too much work to balance literal time magic properly, then we should 100% get a real support spec, and it probably should include music, as it's the easiest, lore friendly to introduce, and has a massive variety of ways it could be implemented, while also removing clones/shatters/phantasms

 

IW itself can also have the potential to be support, utilizing Ritualist weapon spell mechanics to buff/heal allies, while also still being a heavy control spec in the exact same way

 

but history and lore wise, IW has less potential than music

though, yes, realistically, they both have about equal potential, possibly

 

[Puck.3697]

51 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said:

unless i'm misunderstanding that part, because your post was honestly kind of a nightmare to read  

 

i am poor with wording i will agree.

 

51 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said:

absolutely NOTHING correlates Illusionary Weaponry to "shurkien master"

 

google Shurkien Master GW1.. it Litterally says they use Mesmer magic to create Illusionary weaponary.

 

ntroduction: The Shuriken Master combines the Mesmer ability of ... in the Deadly Arts to produces a fast throwing projectile

 

Whats this? it is, but in GW1 u oculd combi. so it was a Mesmer/Thief Combination. which means True Thief or Mesmer could have effectively gotten this. but i feel Assassin is likely a higher priority for thief comparitively. to Mesmer which needs a new mechanic.

 

Read the part where it says "combines mesmer ability" to PRODUCE Fast throwing Projectiles.. however its also classified as a Support class.

 

i actually didnt?.. i stated Imho they'll Capitalize on the Selling of Nostalgia this expansion and i cant see them releasing bard for this expansion specifically because Mesmers were never Bards. Mesmers are linked to Bards by having a goddess in common with Arts. Like Shurkian Master is 100x More tied to Mesmers actual Gameplay and GW1 Playstyle then bard is.

 

51 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said:

but if chronomancer is forever going to be a husk of a support that it could have potentially been because the devs find it too much work to balance literal time magic properly, then we should 100% get a real support spec, and it probably should include music, as it's the easiest, lore friendly to introduce, and has a massive variety of ways it could be implemented, while also removing clones/shatters/phantasms

 

Right heres the problem

 

its not chronomancer is a Forever husk of a Support. its that EVERY support build Mesmers gotten is a Forever Husk of Support.

 

its that every build mesmer EVER Gets will be a huskl of a Support, until they turn Elites into Subclasses and go one step further to devide these from the Core Specc. Mesmer will never Keep ahold of a Viable Support specc im afraid.

 

Mesmer has too much Access to Damage traitlines and mechanics to Be Balanced as a Healer. it has too Much other Stuff with too much Role compression. to NOT Dominate the game as a Healer, What u gonna say?

 

Mesmers Should be able to Invis entire group. Initate a Fight. 1 Shot Pop the DPS Player Heal their entire team and then Cleave the entire enemy down.. Quikcly Teleport Large distances and Decap Far? because thats the problem. Mesmer can ALREADY Do too much. its COnsidered Brokenly Overpowered CURRENTLY, let alone if you throw sustain on this character

 

Core mesmer had a Healing build - it got Wrecked.

Chronomancer then become a Support - it got wrecked.

Mirage had a Healing build - Which got wrecked a few weeks later.

 

now as above i said, Shurkien master is a thief/Mesmer Combo which is a Support... but if its a Traditional Support. its got 1 foot in the grave already. and i'd look forward to another 3 years of a Broken janky specc Once more in all honesty.

 

History has proven Anet really dont like letting Mesmers heal and weather as player you or i agree with that, its something to aknowledge.. Its pure insanity to beleive we'll get a miracle fourth time, Now i gave the example. because alot of people Stated the Depiction fit a guy (who i cant remember the name of) who utilised this and Was a Mesmer who wielded Projectile weapons Like the Picture.

 

Not because I Specifically am interested in Shurkiens or a "Weeb" if u go back onto what i wanted. i wanted Hexs back.. but I dont want another Dead Specc.. which is where a support will immediately go months into the launch. and theres historical Evidence which kinda Says its More likely to be a Dead specc as a Support then isnt.

 

its nothing to do with chronomancer... Anet have struggled balancing both mesmer and thief since the beginning of time. they've always been overe opressive then nerfed into the floor then they go back to what they were using.. this is a Theme both these classes have Always kinda had and sadly i dont expect change.

 

if we want em to repeatively nerf and throw a Speccaround do it to chrono.. not the rband new thing thats going to finally change something up then it is today hopefully.

51 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said:

but the class really needs to have an alternative to this trashy pvp liability called NPCs;

they're either too strong, so the rest of the class gets kept down, or they're too weak because they're too easily prevented, but still with too much potential to the point that the devs are too afraid of buffing them to an acceptable state

 

this is why i want a Simple DPS with some utility without shatters, because i tihnk the reason why they've ended up this way is Because everything they do surrounding mesmer is overcomplicated

 

Chronomancer - they trtied to make a Support fit a Class who teleports and Group invises and more, like the balancing was always going to be a Nightmare. making a Healer fit into Mesmer without having to either gut the healing or the Damage was Inevitably going to be a problem.

 

Mirage - turning Dodges into Damage was Always eventually going to push a bondary it once again breaks sooo many rules so again easily gonna get nerfed into the ground and have something weird done to it to try and force it to fit in.

 

Mesmers Just need a Simple Specc. a Easily balanced Specc. U either end up as Scourge Or power Chronomancer in PvP when u complicate something I.E soo overpowered everyone hates it.. or soo Nicht that its "workable" but never "Viable". Classes got too bloated.

 

So yeah. do i want a DPS With maybe some decent utility options at the cost of DPS, which (hopefully) Wields some sorta Ranged DPS yeah. because i think the Simplier it is the less risky it is.

51 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said:

uhhh what the weeb is this 

how ya gonna tell someone their opinions shouldn't matter, then follow it up with a weeb opinion like that?

 

the fact there is a character in GW1 which combines Mesmer and Thief Abilities to create projectile weapons? is a Opinon? it sint for one

 

i didnt say someones opinon Doesnt matter. i said I know everyones gonna want their favorite aesthetic to provide the roles they wanna play. I.E We all want the Elite to be completely different things. I Just dont think Bard Sells a Expansion which they're obviously doing for Nostalgic reasons As hard as taking existing Playstyles Directly tied to classes in GW1.

 

Its not my opnino of what i want either. its build on the fact, Thast its OBVIOUSLY not hexs but illusionary weapons. I wanted Hexs orginally back.. i feel they're about as Mesmer as u realistically get, but thats Not happening.

 

also Bard with a Dagger weapon? would be Weird.. Considering Mesmer has 0 access to any musical themed weapons at all. even if thats Spear its not the mesmer weapon connected to the Musical theme (Tridant)

 

we all are gonna Want different things. and we all have motives for wanting what we want. but heres the fact whatever we get will **** off a Quantity of the crowd, now If it was a Shortbow i'd want Bard. because i think Shortbow is likely the best option for Bard overall. BUT heres something.

 

Mesmers Dont have a Single Support based Offhand barring one tied to another Elite.

Mesmers have no other Main hands which support at all Barring a 2handed Staff.

 

Like what? Ur gonig to wield a Heal based Mainhand with a DPS offhand and then throw a greatsword in the weapon swap?

 

then lets go to traits.

 

ur gonnabuild ur new Elite with Inspirations and then what? my argument aint saying Mesmer should or shouldnt get a Heal based Specc.. my argument is mesmer needs 500 hours More work then just a elite specc to become a healer then isnt either Nerfed entirely into the group. or Just comes out beneath every other option.

 

Tempests have Several Support lines to combine with.

Druid has Several SUpport Lines.

Scrapper has Kit access which gives em tons of Accessibility.

Healbrands are apart of guardian.. over half their traitlines are Support based to begin with.

 

We have NOTHING to compete for a Support slot with them. to give us a Running chance at this at this point

 

We'd likely need Inspirations Reworked to be Stronger, a Core traitline Introduced entirely or One of the current Reworked to be more support focused.. then a Overbloated Healing Elite specc which Shoves healing down the throat of the player to try and get it near competitive. lets not pretend Scourge and Healbrand arent HUGELY bloated in what they offer already.

 

Thats not saying someones Opinon doesnt matter, It just shows i have ALOT Less faith in Anet actually doing some Work to Make this viable and Not just packaging up a Elite specc sending it out and Shotgun Nerfing everything around it til no ones screeching about it anymore.

 

we've had 4 heal builds as mesmers.. each been nerfed, Chronomancer introduced a New Support traitline. it got reworked into a power DPS with some utility.

 

i mean its obvious to exactly why im not keen o nthe concept of a traditional Support as a Elite.

 

Because we dont want anothjer 5 years of "chrono jail" because our new Elite Gets Smashed to pieces.

Edited July 4, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[Lazze.9870]

1 hour ago, AXLIB.8425 said:

druid, heal tempest, healbrand, heal scrapper, and etc. those specialisation are all able to keep the group alive while providing strong boons, which non of the mesmer build is able to. the closest build is the heal quickness chrono on snowcrow, but that is a very niche build only used in raid

 

Support druid doesn't exist outside of raids either (or I should say 10+ man pve content), and it has only kept that meta role because of core ranger spirits. It's relatively garbage at keeping people in wvw/pvp alive in comparison to those other classes.

Edited July 4, 2021 by Lazze.9870

[AXLIB.8425]

17 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said:

the issue is.. you do need boons. for example Condi Weaver cant do full DPS Without Alacrity. because its Weave self rotation litterally doesnt work. Power chronomancer requires Slow on the target or again Doesnt get near full DPS.

 

your comparing Boons. which are like 10k DPS per Player worth of Damage, to overhealing. Boons are needed to give Players DPS. Most players are sooo beneath the DPS Potientals, that tbh boons Basically Double their DPS alone for them... its a HUGE Carry potiental.

 

but Scourge kinda Replaced Tempest in the "Safe build". stack 5 scourges you will win.

 

Fundamentally, Quickness, Alacrity and More actually is VERY Needed, Low uptimes on these will Reduce everyones ability to perform any Role. it Fundamentally weakens the entire raid Not having these.. boons are FAR more requiring.

Well, that is actually kind of what i'm saying by "slower and harder". You don't need to hit full dps to clear a raid or a fractal, most people don't either way, you don't even need level 80 and e-spec. It is just MUCH harder and slower. I was not comparing boons to heal, I was simply saying the way you presented heal can be used to present boon.

 

5 minutes ago, Lazze.9870 said:

 

Support druid doesn't exist outside of raids either, and it has only kept that meta role because of core ranger spirits. It's relatively garbage at keeping people in wvw/pvp alive in comparison to those other classes.

True, forgot druid is pretty bad in everywhere else.

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4 minutes ago, AXLIB.8425 said:

Well, that is actually kind of what i'm saying by "slower and harder". You don't need to hit full dps to clear a raid or a fractal, most people don't either way, you don't even need level 80 and e-spec. It is just MUCH harder and slower. I was not comparing boons to heal, I was simply saying the way you presented heal can be used to present boon.

 

well yes, but i mean they've created Now more ways to "not need a healer" then "not need boons" Scourge is a really good Example.. barrier Spam removes to need for healing. And ofcourse u can go without either. but its Easier to convince someone to bring a build Improving THEIR DPS (the DPS players dream) and Someone whos gonna heal a Fight that has 4 Scourges stacking 10k Barriers on people.

 

now they can defintly make healing more vital in the game... but i highly doubt they will make healing more vital in the game.

 

also

 

I'd argue that tbh healers are just as hybridized, Druid DID have a DPS build back in the day til it got nerfed, Tempest does have a Power and Condi build, Scrapper does have a Power build, Healbrand has one of the highest Condi DPS Speccs in the game on the same Elite.

 

so i dont think we need a traditional healer to fulfill this. alot of the Role its capable of doing is Linked to the utilities its given And the Options given through traits.

 

For example. (its not going to happen but say For example)

 

our F1-F5 mechanic got replaced by Hexas

and we got Stances.

 

If we got a Trait which made hexs Also barrier our 10 man teams.

and a Trait which Gave us Stance Share, and then those Stances had Healing on them.

 

Combined with some of the tools Mesmer already has u could create a Traditional Support easily from it and It'd never have to be healing focused in nature. Just simply having these traits As a Paralell Option to DPS options would be enough.

 

the weapon wont have much relevency as We actually have a Really good Weapon to put on a healer realistically via Staff now it might be a struggle for a offhand of the same theme but tbh druids use longbows in their weapon swap. so i woujldnt say its not possible. If it has enough healing / barrier via the other 2 options realistically + Good boon access by Staff it'd prolly be fine realistically.

 

I mean we also have Inspiration which offers so good healing also..  but it does lack a 3rd line.. so im unsure even with elite where else u'd go.. but healing builds on mesmers due to the fact everythings been slowly turned into damage.. its always gonna be abit weird.

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12 hours ago, Fueki.4753 said:

For one, the Mesmer hero in GW1, Norgu, was an actor.

We know acting is a form of art, just like music is.

Arts are the physical representations of beauty (although that beauty is more often than not questionable).

 

Mesmers are tied to Lyssa, the goddess of beauty.

 

Although it's nowhere stated, it ought to be obvious that Mesmers are the one profession tied to beauty and therefore arts.

You are seriously reaching if you are trying to tie mesmer with music theme.

 

First you are basing a whole class profession being tide to music based on ONE NPC and even then he was an ACTOR not a MUSICIAN which btw there is a reason why the profession actor is actor and musician is musician.

There are NPCs in gw2 that are prominent that shows mesmers in another light for example Queen Jennah, Countess Anise, and Kasmeer Meade.

 

Second beauty does not mean it has connection/ties with arts nor does arts have to ties with music. 

 

Tho in another post that this spec could be Assassins which in GW1 they are patrons of Lyssa.

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41 minutes ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

You are seriously reaching if you are trying to tie mesmer with music theme.

 

First you are basing a whole class profession being tide to music based on ONE NPC and even then he was an ACTOR not a MUSICIAN which btw there is a reason why the profession actor is actor and musician is musician.

 

Second beauty does not mean it has connection/ties with arts nor does arts have to tie with music. 

 

well tridant is a Musical themed weapon for Mesmer really, built on Sirens Music, I dont think its Reaching to think Mesmer could fit a Bard,

 

imho.. i'd say mesmers in need of a Rework for multitudes of reasons, because i think its harder to see how u would build a Support based Mesmer at this point then it is to see bard as a Reality. it has 1 Traitline built for support at best and 1 2handed Staff option as a Weapon Which offers boons (with no healing)..

 

I think shatters shoulda been tied to a elite and not the core specc also realistically.

 

i know some are saying its spear (which ironically would actually help the problems above. as Spear would remove the need of a offhand) i dont think it is, Purely off the bases

 

Orginally Necro was ssusposed to get greatsword and mesmer was susposed to get dagger, they last moment swapped these, Necromancer then later on got Greatsword as a Elite... Which indicates the likelyhood is it was planned to eventually give mesmer back dagger. but maybe they were waiting for a theme which would Suit dagger.. and i guess Cantha would be the time to..

 

Im still hoping for Hexs personally.. but those illusionary weapons give a Implication they wont be.. Unless Ofcourse, this is a Ranged Dagger. and those are the animations of our new auto attack. which is possible. or they're making Hexs our utility which is another possibility.

 

We need hexs 😞

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Trident doesn't not have a music theme it, the whole theme is control CC only the visual effects of notes because first skill "Siren's Call". If anything its revolved around CC control and thematic around underwater like ALL underwater skills. One skill visual effect doesn't mean ITS A NEW BARD MUSIC SPEC. It isn't uncommon for ANET to scrap projects just look at gen2 legendary questlines that they ended up scrapping or not having gen2 legendary underwater weapons.

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1 hour ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

Trident doesn't not have a music theme it, the whole theme is control CC only the visual effects of notes because first skill "Siren's Call". If anything its revolved around CC control and thematic around underwater like ALL underwater skills. One skill visual effect doesn't mean ITS A NEW BARD MUSIC SPEC. It isn't uncommon for ANET to scrap projects just look at gen2 legendary questlines that they ended up scrapping or not having gen2 legendary underwater weapons.

 

i ment more by name and icon. for example.. its auto attack animation and icon are of a Musical note.

 

tbh we could just say "maybe we're jebaited"

 

this Sillohete has the Elementalist colours, not the Mesmers.. what if this is actually Elementalists New elite specc. it is actually Spear For elementalist.. and their inheriting Daggers as a Shatter style mechanic.

 

and we'll actually find out we're gonna Get Shortbow and attunements Kappa

 

the second Jebait

 

We actually are gonna have shatters.. and the Daggers above its Head are actually jus tthe Ranged animations of Dagger (like Elementalists Dagger Fire auto attack) where we Throw a row of Daggers at the target when we auto attack.

 

and we'll actually keep shatters entirely.. we just get Hexs as a utility and told "thats enough gw1 for you"

 

as much as either of these could be horror stories.... the fact this has Elementalist colours does bug me abit as in are we sure we havent gotten it wrong. Because while yes if thats Dagger it has to be mesmer, if its spear that could be Elementalist.

 

 

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