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Filip.7463Filip.7463 Member ✭✭

Thats it. Squishy, easy to kite.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Filip.7463 said:
    Thats it. Squishy, easy to kite.

    Yes cuz it's currently the most played class in pvp for those very same reasons right?

  • Filip.7463Filip.7463 Member ✭✭
    edited January 13, 2021

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Filip.7463 said:
    Thats it. Squishy, easy to kite.

    Yes cuz it's currently the most played class in pvp for those very same reasons right?

    Its extremely easy to play. Mostly low rated players (gold 123) play it.

    I think there is more rangers, necros and core guards than dhs.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Over the weekend and monday night I was in gw3 and plat 1 and all I saw was guards/dh, necro, renegades and ele's and yes u are right ranger was also played very often, that said there was always a guard or dh on both team as well as a necro and sometimes 2 of either often enough. Necro and guards are 100% the classes most played in those brackets at least.

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The cleave is more a problem

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It like many things has amazing counters- but the teams who organize for tournaments just don’t bring those- scourge, sd thief some times condi rev, all insane hard counters. But who knows maybe no one will consider bringing counters or playing around it so ppl will think it’s op. Decap druid is like that- hard countered by all other ranger builds and will lose the 1v1 to thief and rev roaming builds- but teams just don’t think to play that or around them and get hard memed

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Brokensunday.4098 said:
    Dh is not the problem is true, trappers and permeating wrath trait are, guardian in general need buff all across the board it got its power nearly gutted but that trait and runes set needs a nerf.

    This^ trapper rune and permeating wrath trait are what is promoting the brain dead spam builds on guard, rework or hard nerf both than buff guards in other area to promote a more skill full less spammy playstyle.

  • Abyssisis.3971Abyssisis.3971 Member ✭✭✭

    Imo symbolic power + permeating wrath is the big offender here. Dropping a symbol into a group fight causes f1 to proc so often and cause quite a bit of burning in the area. The more people cluster up, say to rev a downed member, the more those people burn when you symbol them. You don’t even need to take trapper runes with DH, I don’t, and I rarely see DH actually taking them, but the last few I did see, died on the spot when they stealth when I dropped a symbol on them or they couldn’t pressure me enough with ranger damage on my condi ranger to kill me, while not being able to defend themselves from ranged damage once reflects/blocks went down. Is it OPed, no, in the right situation it might appear so, but realistically it’s not. Is it easy to play, yes. Is it fun to play, yes. Is it fun to play against, no.

  • Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

  • choovanski.5462choovanski.5462 Member ✭✭✭✭

    yo the build has no stunbreak, and can't live without the rune. don't think it takes a lot of thinking to figure out it's the rune that's the issue, because without it you have a full DMG no stun break DH just rocking up to get cc'd and farmed.

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  • Math.5123Math.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Brokensunday.4098 said:
    Dh is not the problem is true, trappers and permeating wrath trait are, guardian in general need buff all across the board it got its power nearly gutted but that trait and runes set needs a nerf.

    This^ trapper rune and permeating wrath trait are what is promoting the brain dead spam builds on guard, rework or hard nerf both than buff guards in other area to promote a more skill full less spammy playstyle.

    To be honest, Permeating Wrath and regular VoJ should probably have their proc-rates swapped. It doesn't make sense that the single-target one hits every 5 strikes, while the AoE one hits every 3.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Math.5123Math.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    Not to mention it's apples to oranges. SoJ is a pure dps utility while fgs has damage + evade + mobility. Also comparing utility skill to elite skill where despite the names, utility slots are generally more important than elite slots. Lastly people don't even use fgs for the most part anyways, saying SoJ is op because it's "better" than a skill on another class which doesn't really see use currently is just stupid.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I want to see numbers now. :tongue:

    @Math.5123, you provide maximum damage for FGS, screenshot is just fine.
    @Arheundel.6451, you do the same for SoJ.

    Not that it really mattered, but I am still curious.

  • Math.5123Math.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I want to see numbers now. :tongue:

    @Math.5123, you provide maximum damage for FGS, screenshot is just fine.
    @Arheundel.6451, you do the same for SoJ.

    Not that it really mattered, but I am still curious.

    I'll actually patch for this. I'll record using arc

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Hogwarts Zebra.8597Hogwarts Zebra.8597 Member ✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    a single cast of SoJ bring a heavy golem down to half health
    and ur forgetting that a single cleanse negates 80% of SoJ dmg, while the same cannot be said of FGS

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    a single cast of SoJ bring a heavy golem down to half health

    Lmao yet a squishy bursty rogue class sets up a fully booned back stab on a heavy golem and wastes half his resources for stealth and has to hit from behind and knocks of like 12% of the heavy golems hp in one back stab. Gj anet gj.

  • @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    a single cast of SoJ bring a heavy golem down to half health

    Lmao yet a squishy bursty rogue class sets up a fully booned back stab on a heavy golem and wastes half his resources for stealth and has to hit from behind and knocks of like 12% of the heavy golems hp in one back stab. Gj anet gj.

    a backstab crit does way more than 12%
    also, read the 2nd half of my statement

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I want to see numbers now. :tongue:

    @Math.5123, you provide maximum damage for FGS, screenshot is just fine.
    @Arheundel.6451, you do the same for SoJ.

    Not that it really mattered, but I am still curious.

    As I have stated : a single sword of justice can down a light/medium golem on its own....

    Same cannot be said for the dps of FGS, dunno what even is the point , people trying to justify the dmg of an elite to an utility, the dmg coming from a conjure elite should be at least 3x of what is now. If people want to compare then sword of justice with arcane blast as dmg utility comparison well....lol the difference would be even more hilarious.

    I have no reason to ask for nerfs on anything these days...as people can see...I play almost everything.

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Hogwarts Zebra.8597Hogwarts Zebra.8597 Member ✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I want to see numbers now. :tongue:

    @Math.5123, you provide maximum damage for FGS, screenshot is just fine.
    @Arheundel.6451, you do the same for SoJ.

    Not that it really mattered, but I am still curious.

    As I have stated : a single sword of justice can down a light/medium golem on its own....

    Same cannot be said for the dps of FGS, dunno what even is the point , people trying to justify the dmg of an elite to an utility, the dmg coming from a conjure elite should be at least 3x of what is now. If people want to compare then sword of justice with arcane blast as dmg utility comparison well....lol the difference would be even more hilarious.

    I have no reason to ask for nerfs on anything these days...as people can see...I play almost everything.

    what is this? radiance+zeal+virtues?
    nobody will run this build in real games
    run the same test with zeal+virtues+DH, let's see if u can still down any golem with 1 sword

    edit: and make sure to unequip balthazar runes and use trapper instead. ur testing a full glass, essentially pve dps build, against a standard pvp duelist build

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2021

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    a single cast of SoJ bring a heavy golem down to half health

    Lmao yet a squishy bursty rogue class sets up a fully booned back stab on a heavy golem and wastes half his resources for stealth and has to hit from behind and knocks of like 12% of the heavy golems hp in one back stab. Gj anet gj.

    a backstab crit does way more than 12%
    also, read the 2nd half of my statement

    Crit yeah lol, go in the mist with a cs/trick/dd zerk/divinity rune and steal backstab the heavy golem 6 times and I'll bet 4 out of 6 land 3k on it, what percentage is 3.4k?

  • @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I said better at cleaving. In a practical situation guards can use other skills while soj is down, or they can put it on a downstate and focus another target. fgs on downed targets can barely out-dps 1 person rezzing, and the ele has to be zerker and stay alive somehow. Soj forces cleanses to keep downstates alive, and most builds dont have enough group cleanses, if any, to get them up.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    You are comparing 1x sword of justice to a 16s duration FG.

    If you want to compare the dps output for a full 16s, a guardian could summon 3x sword of justice in that time.

  • @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I said better at cleaving. In a practical situation guards can use other skills while soj is down, or they can put it on a downstate and focus another target. fgs on downed targets can barely out-dps 1 person rezzing, and the ele has to be zerker and stay alive somehow. Soj forces cleanses to keep downstates alive, and most builds dont have enough group cleanses, if any, to get them up.

    no group cleanses needed. unless they are pouring their entire burst into the cleave (sword+symbol+sword again+other symbol), all u need is personal cleanse. downstates have massive health so as long as u yourself don't go down, u can outrez their cleave

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Regardless if it is over performing or not, the fact that condi DH with trapper rune, is the only semi viable DH build says it all about the current state of spvp. A power build cannot play as power and relies on a broken rune and passive burn spam to function. F*****g trash balance and design.

  • @otto.5684 said:
    Regardless if it is over performing or not, the fact that condi DH with trapper rune, is the only semi viable DH build says it all about the current state of spvp. A power build cannot play as power and relies on a broken rune and passive burn spam to function. F*****g trash balance and design.

    Guardian in general mate has that problem the only reliable source of damage is burn at the moment.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anet really need to make a actual effort to balance their game

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    It entirely depends on its usage btw. If the enemy team has multiple hitboxes in a small area(rezzing a downed, minions etc), SoJ procs the traited burning many many more times, all of which are AoE, so it can actually oneshot a group, with you having 2 other charges left to cleave the downed bodies. It's obviously way weaker against moving single targets.
    If your point is FGS has more damage potential+utility in a duel than a single cast of SoJ, you're right... but I don't think thats the point Paradoxoglanis was making.

  • Math.5123Math.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    You are comparing 1x sword of justice to a 16s duration FG.

    If you want to compare the dps output for a full 16s, a guardian could summon 3x sword of justice in that time.

    I'll give you a chance to reread what i wrote. See if you can grasp it.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    You are comparing 1x sword of justice to a 16s duration FG.

    If you want to compare the dps output for a full 16s, a guardian could summon 3x sword of justice in that time.

    I'll give you a chance to reread what i wrote. See if you can grasp it.

    You are also not considering some basic practicality issues during cleaving, such as how players will attack you and CC you while you are trying to cleave with the FGS, which will interrupt your ideal full 16s rotation. The Sword Of Justice summons however, just do their job.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    I want to see numbers now. :tongue:

    @Math.5123, you provide maximum damage for FGS, screenshot is just fine.
    @Arheundel.6451, you do the same for SoJ.

    Not that it really mattered, but I am still curious.

    As I have stated : a single sword of justice can down a light/medium golem on its own....

    Same cannot be said for the dps of FGS, dunno what even is the point , people trying to justify the dmg of an elite to an utility, the dmg coming from a conjure elite should be at least 3x of what is now. If people want to compare then sword of justice with arcane blast as dmg utility comparison well....lol the difference would be even more hilarious.

    I have no reason to ask for nerfs on anything these days...as people can see...I play almost everything.

    Thank you!

    For the guardian, we do not have full 16s, but a single cast of SoJ:
    1. 7 s to down a light golem.
    2. 8 s to down a medium golem.

    The DPS over 16 s would still be needed to determine the exact case. However, I would rather like to see a full DPS "as bursty as possible" rotation from guard (several casts of SoJ on a target golem) and then compare the DPS to FGS.

    Waiting for the numbers of FGS!

    1. For light golem.
    2. For medium golem.
    3. 16 s interval.
    4. if provided by guard: Duration of a "full SoJ burst with all casts". The duration can then be used for FGS burst over this same time.
  • jsp.6912jsp.6912 Member ✭✭✭

    Dh is not realy good, just u can play a greedy build because rune of trapper without it this build is trash

  • Math.5123Math.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Math.5123 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Guards spinny sword of fire is better at cleaving than a zerker ele's fgs.

    This is straight up a lie.

    I have videos to show otherwise...do you want force me to upload videos on youtubes after processing them and prove you wrong?

    • a single sword of justice summon can down a light/medium golem on its own
    • You need a full FGS rotation to down a medium golem...and we're talking about an elite

    He said, the sword alone is better damage than zerk fgs. I can guarantee you I'll get more dmg out of fgs in a 16s duration (time to cast all 4 swords) than the burning from sword.

    You are comparing 1x sword of justice to a 16s duration FG.

    If you want to compare the dps output for a full 16s, a guardian could summon 3x sword of justice in that time.

    I'll give you a chance to reread what i wrote. See if you can grasp it.

    You are also not considering some basic practicality issues during cleaving, such as how players will attack you and CC you while you are trying to cleave with the FGS, which will interrupt your ideal full 16s rotation. The Sword Of Justice summons however, just do their job.

    That wasn't his statement. So that's an entirely different argument. Try to stay with us Trevor.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Has someone claimed DH or any of its traits are a problem?

    They should revert the changes to the spec.