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Is (Friendly Fire) achievement even possible in Fire Heart Rise DRM?

Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited March 10, 2021 in Living World

Friendly Fire says: "Keep all flame legion alive during the defense of the flame citadel" to be able to get a mastery point.

I've tried it a handful of times tonight with groups comprised of dudes who regularly run T4 fractals, who use proper builds including supports, and these NPCs just die too fast. If you were to try and stack more support than 1 or 2, then you have no DPS.

Am I missing some obvious method to complete this achievement? What are we supposed to do here?

And before you ask, YES we were running it with all CMs active.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My initial thought is that while the mobs scale to the number of players in the instance, the NPCs may not. Perhaps it's easier solo or duo as DPS at each lane??

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well it only says you need powerful foes so turn off the others?

  • reapex.8546reapex.8546 Member ✭✭✭

    @Setzer.2519 said:
    So I just finished it on my second try with random puggies. The trick is all about the aggro, the hardest part is getting the start down pat.

    So there are 3 spawn points, 2 north side and 1 south and if you don't kill the mobs they don't continually respawn. My team had 1 guy go south and just sustain and kite while the north team just camped near the spawn closest to that hill. North side just had to make sure to aggro the mobs before they move and we pulled them slightly further north where the second group mob pathing comes into us.

    The hardest part is really just at the start, as the NPCs approach the area you need to send your south guy ahead of time to his position and the north team needs to clear the trash mobs that are pre-spawned on the hill where the NPCs will go. We aggroed those and pulled them north.

    Once you get setup the NPCs don't even move, they just sit on the hill and you just need to kill slow and steady ensuring the enemies are aggroed.

    Hope that helps.

    Thanks, helped us :D

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you look on Reddit, someone mentioned a way to get it without any effort although it’s taking advantage of a bug.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 11, 2021

    I have no idea why you think that if you have 2 supports you don't have enough DPS. Ran HB , alac, 3x DPS. Alac complained that I (HB) did more DPS than two of the DPS players (one of which was way off the group on longbow) and we still had about 5 minutes left on timer (all CMs on). Timer is super lax.

    Also the achievement is awarded before the part with the boss fight. You can run more support before that fight and swap out of combat. Both times that I had someone in my party with the achievement eligibility we got it, no special comps or anything , just a typical fractal setup.

    edit: yes it's definitely a lax timer , tried it on condi scourge (lowest DPS benchmark) with zero quickness in group or alac, still had 5 minutes left (below 15 minutes for entire mission , 19 minute timer for CM).

  • Spanex.1950Spanex.1950 Member ✭✭

    I also got the achievement with a good team. We had two Bannerslaves and two Healbrands, with one regular DPS. We would split the BSes and HBs into two teams to cover north and south of the bridge well ahead of the legionaires and leave the DPS to alternate between each side (though we found this wasn't really necessary as the southern side had very few destroyers spawning, so we left him to cover north). We even almost got the achievement done with all CMs active, so it's definitely doable with that kind of comp.

  • Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭✭

    idk what happened but i somehow managed to get this solo (with full cm, pretty sure its a requirement)

    evidently from comments here and there, more mobs are spewed from north vs south, so i camp north; however, the allies managed to aggro all the way out to the south base of the hill so i kinda went meh another fail (i was mainly just doing a solo drm cm run, i wasnt intending to get achievement). surprisingly the npcs managed to hold on their own even though i let them dance with the destroyers for a while (ofc i had to run back to kill mobs but they survived nevertheless)

    maybe the npcs got upscaled with a recent patch or i mightve been lucky, idk. i had dwarf as allied faction if that makes any difference (random, i didnt choose them)

    however, i can tell you that on my first solo drm cm run, the npcs aggroed to the north side right where the enemies spawned, defense had barely started yet run was already doomed to fail :smiley:

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Noodle Ant.1605 said:
    idk what happened but i somehow managed to get this solo (with full cm, pretty sure its a requirement)

    evidently from comments here and there, more mobs are spewed from north vs south, so i camp north; however, the allies managed to aggro all the way out to the south base of the hill so i kinda went meh another fail (i was mainly just doing a solo drm cm run, i wasnt intending to get achievement). surprisingly the npcs managed to hold on their own even though i let them dance with the destroyers for a while (ofc i had to run back to kill mobs but they survived nevertheless)

    maybe the npcs got upscaled with a recent patch or i mightve been lucky, idk. i had dwarf as allied faction if that makes any difference (random, i didnt choose them)

    however, i can tell you that on my first solo drm cm run, the npcs aggroed to the north side right where the enemies spawned, defense had barely started yet run was already doomed to fail :smiley:

    Was this today or before the patch yesterday the bug that let you die with all npcs and respawn at waypoint with the achievement active again?

  • Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2021

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Noodle Ant.1605 said:
    idk what happened but i somehow managed to get this solo (with full cm, pretty sure its a requirement)

    evidently from comments here and there, more mobs are spewed from north vs south, so i camp north; however, the allies managed to aggro all the way out to the south base of the hill so i kinda went meh another fail (i was mainly just doing a solo drm cm run, i wasnt intending to get achievement). surprisingly the npcs managed to hold on their own even though i let them dance with the destroyers for a while (ofc i had to run back to kill mobs but they survived nevertheless)

    maybe the npcs got upscaled with a recent patch or i mightve been lucky, idk. i had dwarf as allied faction if that makes any difference (random, i didnt choose them)

    however, i can tell you that on my first solo drm cm run, the npcs aggroed to the north side right where the enemies spawned, defense had barely started yet run was already doomed to fail :smiley:

    Was this today or before the patch yesterday the bug that let you die with all npcs and respawn at waypoint with the achievement active again?

    yesterday and about an hour from now... (30 mins after daily reset?) which im sure was after the patch that fixed that

    didnt teleport/wp until i was fighting boss cuz i got cc off bridge and insta died to fall dmg... the achievement is awarded before boss appears

    it was 1-2 destroyers vs the entire zerg of npcs, maybe they had enough cc skills in between them to fend them off until i came over. theres also 2 essential npcs in that group too, maybe they tanked/got targeted

  • Blockhead Magee.3092Blockhead Magee.3092 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Send one person to kite the two that spawn at the bottom of the hill. Easy peezy.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The NPC move in front of the bridge just don't let the destroyers agro them and they will sit there doing nothing.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2021

    This is garbage.

    I am a player with 30k APs, I've been running T4 CMs almost every night for the past 3 or 4 years or something like that. I have max possible mastery points, shitloads of KPs to ping if I need to, walking around with a platinum pvp badge, and no group will accept me in to do this achievement even at NA prime time, because I am not a Firebrand or Scourge. Even when I make an LFG listing, no one joins.

    This same dumpster fire discrimination happens in fractals lately with 100 CM, where people only want you to stack certain classes.

    Not sure if I should be upset with the community on this one or Arenanet's current pve balance.

  • Jong.5937Jong.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    Seriously, this achievement is a breeze if one person tanks the south mob lane and the other four rack up kills on north.
    The guy on south doesn't even have to kill anything just hold the couple of mobs on south at bay and stop them reaching the npcs.
    That phase ends when a certain number of mobs are killed, not when waves are cleared, so it actually goes quicker if four are all at north where most of the mobs spawn.
    The achievement is granted at the end of that phase (before the boss), so you don't even need to be capable of completing the DRM within the timer.

  • yukarishura.4790yukarishura.4790 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes, it is, compelted it many times

  • yukarishura.4790yukarishura.4790 Member ✭✭✭

    You only have to split up in two groups, that's it

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jong.5937 said:
    Seriously, this achievement is a breeze if one person tanks the south mob lane and the other four rack up kills on north.
    The guy on south doesn't even have to kill anything just hold the couple of mobs on south at bay and stop them reaching the npcs.
    That phase ends when a certain number of mobs are killed, not when waves are cleared, so it actually goes quicker if four are all at north where most of the mobs spawn.
    The achievement is granted at the end of that phase (before the boss), so you don't even need to be capable of completing the DRM within the timer.

    Yup I figured it would be. For some reason I'm just having no luck with it.

    Last night I had got into a couple different groups that just could not get the job done. I see why people were wanting only FBs and Scourges. It's not that normal T4/CM level players couldn't do it with less, it's that the majority of the community is like T1/T2 fractal capable in terms of skill and struggle.

    I had tried to DPS Soulbeast for these groups but they still died, and then I had tried Druid tanking south for them and they died even worse when I wasn't DPSing with them.

    Guess I'll try again sometime around reset tonight. Try to log in when veteran players are completing dailies.

  • Jong.5937Jong.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2021

    Wow, seems like you've had some real bad luck. Hopefully, today you'll be more fortunate.

    Not sure multiple FBs and scourges are even a good idea, as it's not a timed defence where you just have to hold out for, say 5, mins. You have to kill quite a large number of mobs. If you've got too much support I imagine you will struggle to progress and eventually some may get through your line to the NPCs.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    you do know that scourge cand dps and spread their condis with epi right?

  • Did it on my first attempt. Ran Healbrand and a bunch of pugs. We did a 3-1-1 strat, with 1 south, 3 north, and me acting as a go-between for the two groups. It was a bit tedious, but we did managed to accomplish it with little trouble.

    "Self awareness is knowing when you're sitting at the throne of ignorance." --Leo G.

  • Jong.5937Jong.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:
    you do know that scourge cand dps and spread their condis with epi right?

    I assumed the reason for the scourges as just to bunker barrier but, yeah, maybe it wasn't as daft as that!

  • Cobra.6509Cobra.6509 Member ✭✭✭

    Did it with a pug group fairly good dps but not outstanding. Our secret was to not care about spawning points but all group stay togheter around NPCs and kill every mob did reach our blob. Also our healer(an ele) was keeping the NPCs alive(at least he tried).

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I did it yesterday with a pug, we killed the initial mobs then fought the rest away from the NPCs, most of us concentrated on the main spawns to the west and north, I kept an eye on the occasional spawns to the south, pulling them away from the NPCs. I don't think any even got hit.

  • Blockhead Magee.3092Blockhead Magee.3092 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    This is garbage.

    I am a player with 30k APs, I've been running T4 CMs almost every night for the past 3 or 4 years or something like that. I have max possible mastery points, shitloads of KPs to ping if I need to, walking around with a platinum pvp badge, and no group will accept me in to do this achievement even at NA prime time, because I am not a Firebrand or Scourge. Even when I make an LFG listing, no one joins.

    This same dumpster fire discrimination happens in fractals lately with 100 CM, where people only want you to stack certain classes.

    Not sure if I should be upset with the community on this one or Arenanet's current pve balance.

    Its so strange that people want to play they way they want and not how the rest of us might think.

  • Did it yesterday with a 4-man pug. 1 on south 3 on north.

    Almorra (to Bangar): Kiss my hairy A$$!

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If you look on Reddit, someone mentioned a way to get it without any effort although it’s taking advantage of a bug.

    According to patch notes, that bug was fixed.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2021

    From my experience, it is a matter of luck. Sometimes the Legionnaires remain at their spawn, sometimes they seem to follow a player. Very inconsistent AI.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If you look on Reddit, someone mentioned a way to get it without any effort although it’s taking advantage of a bug.

    According to patch notes, that bug was fixed.

    My post was before it got patched.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If you look on Reddit, someone mentioned a way to get it without any effort although it’s taking advantage of a bug.

    According to patch notes, that bug was fixed.

    My post was before it got patched.

    My bad, I'm terrible at reading dates and time stamps.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If you look on Reddit, someone mentioned a way to get it without any effort although it’s taking advantage of a bug.

    According to patch notes, that bug was fixed.

    My post was before it got patched.

    My bad, I'm terrible at reading dates and time stamps.

    No worries. I'm the same as well.