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proud mirage main checking in

Xtrverz.4069Xtrverz.4069 Member ✭✭
edited February 10, 2019 in PVP

the class takes no skill, can rotate cooldowns forever to never die and withstand 1vx in far better fashion than 2 players together on any of the other classes
doesn't have a single bad match up.
not to mention every other matchup is free, never ever have there existed a class of such power as a sidenoder
please do something to the joke of a class this is
my credibility is just winning the Tournament of Legends on mirage after playing it for a week :) https://imgur.com/a/BsskEG7
never have i experienced such ease in play
all you have to learn is to rotate your cooldowns since there is no need to stack them anyway
thanks to perma passive protection ( earth rune was a good idea :) )and mirror also +regen lol
i would write more but aint got more than 1 min to write this down cuz gotta go play good pve content
ty for listening
EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

helio 3x God of PvP 15x mAT winner

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  • http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR8dnELDVohdoBmpBMMjlTDjMAsACK+NwI4FscE0cCHA-jZxHAB2XGgk9H++CAAwTAQ5DCAA Team USA zeromis' build also op plz nerf, too many evades damage 25 vuln

  • condi mirage is issue not power friendo

    helio 3x God of PvP 15x mAT winner

  • Eurantien.4632Eurantien.4632 Member ✭✭✭

    It's OP because Zeromis is good at it. If it was actually overpowered, everyone could run it - that's exactly how it should be.

  • Cheeseball C.8395Cheeseball C.8395 Member ✭✭
    edited February 9, 2019

    @Eurantien.4632 said:

    It's OP because Zeromis is good at it. If it was actually overpowered, everyone could run it - that's exactly how it should be.

    Well i think everyone could just run it lol it's just not out there for everyone to see like in metabattle. Tho condi mirage is more forgiving, the evade skill with IH is like the same value of distortion applied to all allies (cept its just all the clones) with extra damage cc and vuln. It's pretty much a almost a better distortion that's not on a 50 sec cd and doesnt destroy the clones to compensate, but increases the clones dmg. It's so good.

  • Eurantien.4632Eurantien.4632 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cheeseball C.8395 said:

    @Eurantien.4632 said:

    It's OP because Zeromis is good at it. If it was actually overpowered, everyone could run it - that's exactly how it should be.

    Well i think everyone could just run it lol it's just not out there for everyone to see like in metabattle.

    People do try and run it and they get absolutely farmed by other power classes like thief. Zero doesn't cause he has tons of duels and literally dodges steal like every time. High risk high reward build are fine. It's these low risk high reward builds that are the problem.

  • Cheeseball C.8395Cheeseball C.8395 Member ✭✭
    edited February 9, 2019

    having so much more mobility than it's predecessors, containing access to stealth, invuln frames even tho they are cced. Mirage's defensive utility to survive by itself no matter what amulet it has make's it feel off for players to consider it high risk.

  • Abelisk.4527Abelisk.4527 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nerf kiting

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:
    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    You played on NA, you won on NA, you'll attract NA players...surely you must have seen this coming?

  • 94-500? All I see is a lopsided matchup.

  • Rizigmar.2681Rizigmar.2681 Member ✭✭
    edited February 10, 2019

    @felincyriac.5981 said:
    You lie, a true mirage main would never speak ill of the class.

    Fam needs to win seven more ToL with near 450-500 match score and occupy top ten slots of ranked with clones before we can even start considering what he says. lmao Condi mirage is the epitome of fun balanced, high skill gameplay, with big kitten plays, complainers need to l2p. if anything nerf retaliation. Most of the time guards deal more damage to me through that single boon than their actual skills, IT'S PASSIVE AF OP NERF.

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    When will Mirage get a propper Nerf?
    Anet: Soon TM.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:
    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    You played on NA, you won on NA, you'll attract NA players...surely you must have seen this coming?

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

  • Abazigal.3679Abazigal.3679 Member ✭✭✭

    Well, it's been 2 days i play mirage aswell and i also do beat rather easily most players in gold. My point is most likely that you can still get good results by using skills quite randomly, in terms of sustain and condition damage.

    This doesn't hold much value since it is gold division, but still, it's quite too easy in my opinion

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:
    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    You played on NA, you won on NA, you'll attract NA players...surely you must have seen this coming?

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

    I think there was, but the team with mirage lost.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2019

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:
    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    You played on NA, you won on NA, you'll attract NA players...surely you must have seen this coming?

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

    I believe on EU, a place where historically mesmer has been played even when inferior to other options, mesmer comps didn't make the semi's let alone the finals.

    I'm sure it's because they were just bad players though, nothing to do with mesmer performance being vastly overstated and over exaggerated by certain members of the community with an axe to grind.

    Edit: I was wrong, semi fight I saw was the team with Rom in vs the team with Boyce in a Rom's team had double mesmer, bunker chrono and condi mirage. I'm not sure how well it would do vs Sind, Cookie, Wing etc though as they have a lot of practise vs mesmer comps and Sind is very good at shutting them down.

    Nvm it may not have been semi's with Rom's team of double mesmer, I don't blooming know as you can be playing a match 1 round behind while someone is already in their next match. Just watch the vod below from teapot you can see how it all played out.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:
    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    You played on NA, you won on NA, you'll attract NA players...surely you must have seen this coming?

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

    I think there was, but the team with mirage lost.

    Here's the finals: Starts at 1h 48m just incase the video doesn't auto skip to it. A shame swiss wasn't here in time, Rom's team would have been interesting to see.

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/377926024?t=01h48m31s

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:
    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    You played on NA, you won on NA, you'll attract NA players...surely you must have seen this coming?

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

    I think there was, but the team with mirage lost.

    Here's the finals: Starts at 1h 48m just incase the video doesn't auto skip to it. A shame swiss wasn't here in time, Rom's team would have been interesting to see.

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/377926024?t=01h48m31s

    French team almost made to finals with mirage and chrono . Massive comeback from the dead .You cant call them BAD because they arent made to finals tho
    Mirage does need nerfs but not like every 'knowledgable part of the community' want to.

  • kappa.2036kappa.2036 Member ✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

    I think there was, but the team with mirage lost.

    There were no mesmers in the EU finals. On the other hand, Team USA won the NA tournament with double mirage against the 1 chrono EU team.

  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    You know what else wasn't in the final? Holosmith, Spellbreaker, Core Guard, Deadeye...... the list goes on. This is a very poor basis on which to assess problems.

  • @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    94-500? All I see is a lopsided matchup.

    this is vs blackjack (god of pvp) vaans (god of pvp), mur(legendary demigod r2), caio(immortal legend r3), and xomi( eu monthly winner)

    helio 3x God of PvP 15x mAT winner

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bravan.3876 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    94-500? All I see is a lopsided matchup.

    this is vs blackjack (god of pvp) vaans (god of pvp), mur(legendary demigod r2), caio(immortal legend r3), and xomi( eu monthly winner)

    Can you stop calling ranks clearly wintraded (like vaans for example) pls? They just don't count in any case.

    huh? What does that have to do with their skill level though? They clearly made it that far for a reason and it isn't the first time either.

    Back on topic, Mirage in general needs a nerf.

  • bravan.3876bravan.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    @zoopop.5630 said:

    @bravan.3876 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    94-500? All I see is a lopsided matchup.

    this is vs blackjack (god of pvp) vaans (god of pvp), mur(legendary demigod r2), caio(immortal legend r3), and xomi( eu monthly winner)

    Can you stop calling ranks clearly wintraded (like vaans for example) pls? They just don't count in any case.

    huh? What does that have to do with their skill level though? They clearly made it that far for a reason and it isn't the first time either.

    Back on topic, Mirage in general needs a nerf.

    Ofc it has to do with their skill lvl, there are god of pvp title owner didn't need to wintrade. Skill is exactly the point here.

    "playing revenant is borderline exploiting" - up condimirage 2k18

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2019

    @kappa.2036 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    Isnt EU finals had no mesmers in there?

    I think there was, but the team with mirage lost.

    There were no mesmers in the EU finals. On the other hand, Team USA won the NA tournament with double mirage against the 1 chrono EU team.

    There was a condi mirage on the loosing side in the EU monthly finals in January. Maybe I missed the topic here - or maybe I should just double check everything...

    Check here:

    €: Oh, you mean TOL. My bad. :lol:

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • everyman.4375everyman.4375 Member ✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

    Hardly.
    Unless you think its healthy to be able to constantly stack 10+ of damaging conditions with moderate durations frequently in burst.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • everyman.4375everyman.4375 Member ✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

    Hardly.
    Unless you think its healthy to be able to constantly stack 10+ of damaging conditions with moderate durations frequently in burst.

    Well considering that only 2 conditions builds are viable at the moment, nerfing condition the way you want to would remove any condition build from the game.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

    Hardly.
    Unless you think its healthy to be able to constantly stack 10+ of damaging conditions with moderate durations frequently in burst.

    Well considering that only 2 conditions builds are viable at the moment, nerfing condition the way you want to would remove any condition build from the game.

    There are other viable condi builds in the game but the problem is...they require actual effort and they have clear counterplay hence they're considered not meta, what you consider meta condi build can be run by basically anyone and their gameplay is virtually fire and forget with little to no counterplay given the sheer amount of condis unleashed at the same time so no..condi is not the problem here : scourge and mirage are

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • everyman.4375everyman.4375 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

    Hardly.
    Unless you think its healthy to be able to constantly stack 10+ of damaging conditions with moderate durations frequently in burst.

    Well considering that only 2 conditions builds are viable at the moment, nerfing condition the way you want to would remove any condition build from the game.

    There are other viable condi builds in the game but the problem is...they require actual effort and they have clear counterplay hence they're considered not meta, what you consider meta condi build can be run by basically anyone and their gameplay is virtually fire and forget with little to no counterplay given the sheer amount of condis unleashed at the same time so no..condi is not the problem here : scourge and mirage are

    Would you mind showing me the others viable condi builds ?

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

    Hardly.
    Unless you think its healthy to be able to constantly stack 10+ of damaging conditions with moderate durations frequently in burst.

    Well considering that only 2 conditions builds are viable at the moment, nerfing condition the way you want to would remove any condition build from the game.

    There are other viable condi builds in the game but the problem is...they require actual effort and they have clear counterplay hence they're considered not meta, what you consider meta condi build can be run by basically anyone and their gameplay is virtually fire and forget with little to no counterplay given the sheer amount of condis unleashed at the same time so no..condi is not the problem here : scourge and mirage are

    Would you mind showing me the others viable condi builds ?

    Nothing at the levels of condi mirage or scourge so showing them to you would be pointless

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    20+ people fighting with 1-2 perma evade condi thief at the moment: Remove this trash ocne after all

    Where is 'no skill' mesmer when you need it when you can have only toxic design profession doing all the work at the same time?

    (Come to my server and see for yourself- 1-2 perma evade condi thief killing 1-20+ players in 0=5 seconds at the same time

    Yup!! let me know when mesmer can do this so we can 'nerf' them

    We are tired and are wasting valuable learning time
    Goodbye-going to play competitor healthy competitive game

    ((I encourage Anet to come to see it for themselves))-they seem to have gone---stealth traps set everywhere as a laughing stock to them.

    Anyhow, bye

    This is what a perma condi evade thief look like
    Condi evade spam thief

    Why condi thief is bad for GW2

  • Arioch.4810Arioch.4810 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    Well considering that only 2 conditions builds are viable at the moment, nerfing condition the way you want to would remove any condition build from the game.

    There are other viable condi builds in the game but the problem is...they require actual effort and they have clear counterplay hence they're considered not meta, what you consider meta condi build can be run by basically anyone and their gameplay is virtually fire and forget with little to no counterplay given the sheer amount of condis unleashed at the same time so no..condi is not the problem here : scourge and mirage are

    Would you mind showing me the others viable condi builds ?

    Nothing at the levels of condi mirage or scourge so showing them to you would be pointless

    Some changes/tweaks to Mirage should happen, but after that we are in fact back in all power meta: It's not only about being viable replacement for condi build, your build has to compete versus other "meta" builds - outside of Mirage burst and scourge with FB babysitter, no condi build comes close to competing. Prot holo, soulbeast, fb, s/d thief, revenant, core guard...usual suspects and good picks atm... build you bring should be potent enough to contribute on similar levels.
    (I'm sure a team can be built with some off meta picks with 5 players on voice comm, but in solo Q....)

  • everyman.4375everyman.4375 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Xtrverz.4069 said:

    EDIT IM TALKING ABOUT CONDI people that cry about power are just bad

    I'm giving you a plus 1 just because of this.
    I understand the crys about condi. In fact if they had listened to the mesmer mains a year ago condi burst on mirage would have been fixed. But, as always, QQ on the forums dictate balance direction.
    Lower the condi burst in the game.
    DoT damage shouldn't be stacked all at once

    That's a good way to make the game power damage only.

    Hardly.
    Unless you think its healthy to be able to constantly stack 10+ of damaging conditions with moderate durations frequently in burst.

    Well considering that only 2 conditions builds are viable at the moment, nerfing condition the way you want to would remove any condition build from the game.

    There are other viable condi builds in the game but the problem is...they require actual effort and they have clear counterplay hence they're considered not meta, what you consider meta condi build can be run by basically anyone and their gameplay is virtually fire and forget with little to no counterplay given the sheer amount of condis unleashed at the same time so no..condi is not the problem here : scourge and mirage are

    Would you mind showing me the others viable condi builds ?

    Nothing at the levels of condi mirage or scourge so showing them to you would be pointless

    Ok so you're proving my point.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    20+ people fighting with 1-2 perma evade condi thief at the moment: Remove this trash ocne after all

    Where is 'no skill' mesmer when you need it when you can have only toxic design profession doing all the work at the same time?

    (Come to my server and see for yourself- 1-2 perma evade condi thief killing 1-20+ players in 0=5 seconds at the same time

    Yup!! let me know when mesmer can do this so we can 'nerf' them

    We are tired and are wasting valuable learning time
    Goodbye-going to play competitor healthy competitive game

    ((I encourage Anet to come to see it for themselves))-they seem to have gone---stealth traps set everywhere as a laughing stock to them.

    Anyhow, bye

    This is what a perma condi evade thief look like
    Condi evade spam thief

    Why condi thief is bad for GW2

    I joke about people clicking the dodge bar, I joke because the possibility of someone doing this is so bewildering that to me it cannot make sense. Yet here I am looking at a video of someone doing it and killing people in WvW.

    This is why NA is a joke.

  • To be fair, there are players like this on EU too. If you try long enough, you can find players that will die to litterally anything everywhere. This is why videos like this are a joke.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @UmbraNoctis.1907 said:
    To be fair, there are players like this on EU too. If you try long enough, you can find players that will die to litterally anything everywhere. This is why videos like this are a joke.

    Oh yes you most certainly do but they're the ones getting farmed and dying, they tend to stay in their safe spaces of towers and barely venture out for anything but a camp or sentry, the problem here is you have someone who is dodge clicking killing other players. It boggles the mind that there are people below that of a dodge bar clicker.

  • dominik.9721dominik.9721 Member ✭✭✭

    flänby just didn't answer yet, because he's still typing

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    20+ people fighting with 1-2 perma evade condi thief at the moment: Remove this trash ocne after all

    Where is 'no skill' mesmer when you need it when you can have only toxic design profession doing all the work at the same time?

    (Come to my server and see for yourself- 1-2 perma evade condi thief killing 1-20+ players in 0=5 seconds at the same time

    Yup!! let me know when mesmer can do this so we can 'nerf' them

    We are tired and are wasting valuable learning time
    Goodbye-going to play competitor healthy competitive game

    ((I encourage Anet to come to see it for themselves))-they seem to have gone---stealth traps set everywhere as a laughing stock to them.

    Anyhow, bye

    This is what a perma condi evade thief look like
    Condi evade spam thief

    Why condi thief is bad for GW2

    Haha wow comparing Condi thief to Condi Mirage,u gotta be kidding me. No ones complained about Condi thief for yrs but mirage,think I can find a few recent posts lol. Some players I swear are playing a different game or think something is op if it downs them a few times or if they see a vid of someone doing well with a build. And look yet another mesmer defence relying on deflection to another class. Next it will be mirage is not op look at soulbeast stances and sic em builds lol

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    20+ people fighting with 1-2 perma evade condi thief at the moment: Remove this trash ocne after all

    Where is 'no skill' mesmer when you need it when you can have only toxic design profession doing all the work at the same time?

    (Come to my server and see for yourself- 1-2 perma evade condi thief killing 1-20+ players in 0=5 seconds at the same time

    Yup!! let me know when mesmer can do this so we can 'nerf' them

    We are tired and are wasting valuable learning time
    Goodbye-going to play competitor healthy competitive game

    ((I encourage Anet to come to see it for themselves))-they seem to have gone---stealth traps set everywhere as a laughing stock to them.

    Anyhow, bye

    This is what a perma condi evade thief look like
    Condi evade spam thief

    Why condi thief is bad for GW2

    Haha wow comparing Condi thief to Condi Mirage,u gotta be kidding me. No ones complained about Condi thief for yrs but mirage,think I can find a few recent posts lol. Some players I swear are playing a different game or think something is op if it downs them a few times or if they see a vid of someone doing well with a build. And look yet another mesmer defence relying on deflection to another class. Next it will be mirage is not op look at soulbeast stances and sic em builds lol

    --this is not a mesmer 'defence', this is about Thief being the worse offender than Mesmer and should take full responsibility for starting the toxic war in the first place.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    No it’s about in every thread thief among others are deflected to instead of staying on topic at hand. And by saying Condi thief is a worse offender than Condi Mirage let alone even comparable u lose all credibility in ur post. U are literally in every nerf mirage post I’ve looked at deflecting to thief haha. If theif is giving u so many issues in the state it’s in today DE perma stealth cheese not withstanding u have a big l2p issue not thief is op issue :) it’s funny other than few DE permastealth complaints there’s no threads on DD/core thief being op using any build yet it’s a worse defender than a spec that literally see’s multiple threads popping up almost daily about how broken it is,hmm seems logical. A class isn’t op just because u cant fight it or due to u personally disliking it unfortunately.

  • coro.3176coro.3176 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Condi in general is already in a bad spot. Mirage/Thief are kind of exceptions because they also pack a ridiculous amount of evade to go with it, so they can afford to wait around spamming condi.

    Other condi builds (engi, ranger, guard) that rely on stacking 1-2 damaging conditions are in pretty dire straits.

    In fact, you can land every single skill on these builds, some being melee, difficult to land attacks, and STILL do 0 damage on certain classes. There's just too much cleanse out there (eg. guardian).

    In PvP, condi itself is an inherent disdvantage. It takes longer to kill, which gives your opponent an opportunity to kill you back even if you landed your skills first. It gives your opponent an opportunity to cleanse and completely negate your damage. It gives your opponent an opportunity to stall on the point or wait for help to arrive while the condi ticks. Those seconds matter. Condi Mirage is viable now in part because it bursts so hard. Other condi builds don't.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @coro.3176 said:
    Condi in general is already in a bad spot. Mirage/Thief are kind of exceptions because they also pack a ridiculous amount of evade to go with it, so they can afford to wait around spamming condi.

    Other condi builds (engi, ranger, guard) that rely on stacking 1-2 damaging conditions are in pretty dire straits.

    In fact, you can land every single skill on these builds, some being melee, difficult to land attacks, and STILL do 0 damage on certain classes. There's just too much cleanse out there (eg. guardian).

    In PvP, condi itself is an inherent disdvantage. It takes longer to kill, which gives your opponent an opportunity to kill you back even if you landed your skills first. It gives your opponent an opportunity to cleanse and completely negate your damage. It gives your opponent an opportunity to stall on the point or wait for help to arrive while the condi ticks. Those seconds matter. Condi Mirage is viable now in part because it bursts so hard. Other condi builds don't.

    To add that with power damage crazy high and it's front loaded characteristic compared to condition damage it means power builds are by and large at an advantage currently against anything that isn't mirage or scourge.

  • @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    20+ people fighting with 1-2 perma evade condi thief at the moment: Remove this trash ocne after all

    Where is 'no skill' mesmer when you need it when you can have only toxic design profession doing all the work at the same time?

    (Come to my server and see for yourself- 1-2 perma evade condi thief killing 1-20+ players in 0=5 seconds at the same time

    Yup!! let me know when mesmer can do this so we can 'nerf' them

    We are tired and are wasting valuable learning time
    Goodbye-going to play competitor healthy competitive game

    ((I encourage Anet to come to see it for themselves))-they seem to have gone---stealth traps set everywhere as a laughing stock to them.

    Anyhow, bye

    This is what a perma condi evade thief look like
    Condi evade spam thief

    Why condi thief is bad for GW2

    Haha wow comparing Condi thief to Condi Mirage,u gotta be kidding me. No ones complained about Condi thief for yrs but mirage,think I can find a few recent posts lol. Some players I swear are playing a different game or think something is op if it downs them a few times or if they see a vid of someone doing well with a build. And look yet another mesmer defence relying on deflection to another class. Next it will be mirage is not op look at soulbeast stances and sic em builds lol

    --this is not a mesmer 'defence', this is about Thief being the worse offender than Mesmer and should take full responsibility for starting the toxic war in the first place.

    That's just blatantly false. You've had it out for thief for years, I'd thought you would have worked that out at this point. Apparently not.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @crewthief.8649 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    20+ people fighting with 1-2 perma evade condi thief at the moment: Remove this trash ocne after all

    Where is 'no skill' mesmer when you need it when you can have only toxic design profession doing all the work at the same time?

    (Come to my server and see for yourself- 1-2 perma evade condi thief killing 1-20+ players in 0=5 seconds at the same time

    Yup!! let me know when mesmer can do this so we can 'nerf' them

    We are tired and are wasting valuable learning time
    Goodbye-going to play competitor healthy competitive game

    ((I encourage Anet to come to see it for themselves))-they seem to have gone---stealth traps set everywhere as a laughing stock to them.

    Anyhow, bye

    This is what a perma condi evade thief look like
    Condi evade spam thief

    Why condi thief is bad for GW2

    Haha wow comparing Condi thief to Condi Mirage,u gotta be kidding me. No ones complained about Condi thief for yrs but mirage,think I can find a few recent posts lol. Some players I swear are playing a different game or think something is op if it downs them a few times or if they see a vid of someone doing well with a build. And look yet another mesmer defence relying on deflection to another class. Next it will be mirage is not op look at soulbeast stances and sic em builds lol

    --this is not a mesmer 'defence', this is about Thief being the worse offender than Mesmer and should take full responsibility for starting the toxic war in the first place.

    That's just blatantly false. You've had it out for thief for years, I'd thought you would have worked that out at this point. Apparently not.

    I would understand somewhat if he had issues with perma DE backstabbing him constantly but he seems like he’s on a personal mission to try and get core nerfed even more as if the some s/d or p/d core/dd’s are running around stomping holo’s,soulbeast etc into the ground in duels and group battles lol. Thief can win don’t get me wrong but requires out playing and usually out skilling the opponent,unlike the roll on kB classes he defends or fails to mention. I won’t mention either.

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