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  • @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    I don't care why people don't have the material when they have gotten advantages in the past. It's a trade off and it matters. Obviously there was good reasons for people to not save materials. Otherwise no one would be so hurt about not having any.

    You mean to tell me that you've spent the past two hours nitpicking every little thing I've said over a topic that you don't care about? I.E. the one thing I posted? Quit jerking my chain. I'm tired of this stupid little game of yours.

    That's not what I said. I said I don't care about your arguments as to why people don't have the materials simply because I consider the benefits they gained in the past adequate enough.

    That doesn't make sense.

    "Self awareness is knowing when you're sitting at the throne of ignorance." --Leo G.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    I don't care why people don't have the material when they have gotten advantages in the past. It's a trade off and it matters. Obviously there was good reasons for people to not save materials. Otherwise no one would be so hurt about not having any.

    You mean to tell me that you've spent the past two hours nitpicking every little thing I've said over a topic that you don't care about? I.E. the one thing I posted? Quit jerking my chain. I'm tired of this stupid little game of yours.

    That's not what I said. I said I don't care about your arguments as to why people don't have the materials simply because I consider the benefits they gained in the past adequate enough.

    That doesn't make sense.

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

  • bbop.9706bbop.9706 Member ✭✭✭

    5000 volatile magic per stack from the Dragonsfall vendor. Voila.

  • @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    "Self awareness is knowing when you're sitting at the throne of ignorance." --Leo G.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    I covered how people could have been prepared.

    Fine, people don't have the materials. So?

    Play the game and get them.

    Or not and don't have the mount.

    The amount of instant gratification desire and the constant complaints from people unwilling to play the game for the rewards they want has never been a strong argument in my book.

    Back when the Griff on released, people freaked out about 250 gold requirement.
    Back when the Requiem armor released, people were freaking out about how unjust it was and that all they wanted is a way to work towards it at their own pace.
    Now people freak out that given the ability to work towards the mount at their own pace, without the TP, they don't have it instantly.
    The 1 constant is people want stuff. Period.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    I'm confused, how is people not having the materials a problem?

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    I'm confused, how is people not having the materials a problem?

    Not having the materials = have to farm the materials = have to spend time in the game working towards something that they believe should be granted, instant gratification. No instant gratification = big problem.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Fine, people don't have the materials. So?

    Play the game and get them.

    Or not and don't have the mount.

    The amount of instant gratification desire and the constant complaints from people unwilling to play the game for the rewards they want has never been a strong argument in my book.

    Back when the Griff on released, people freaked out about 250 gold requirement.
    Back when the Requiem armor released, people were freaking out about how unjust it was and that all they wanted is a way to work towards it at their own pace.
    Now people freak out that given the ability to work towards the mount at their own pace, without the TP, they don't have it instantly.
    The 1 constant is people want stuff. Period.

    Facepalm
    I don't want to sound rude, but...would you really say something like this had you....say, lived in LS4 maps, farmed these currencies to get gold and buy legendary? Now naturally, one would NEVER assume that a mount would require a 'legendary' collection, a mount that is even worse than griffon! Not only does it cost a ton to get it, but it also requires a horrible amount of grinding.
    Now if you take my case for example, I lived on these maps and farmed, got Nevermore that way as I bought so many materials for it thanks to Volatile Magic and Leather crates.
    Why the heck...would I save up these currencies knowing they'll never be used for anything except legendaries? (Aurora I am looking at you)
    Logically, one would convert them, get gold and get things a person likes, right? I had no interest in any other legendary after Nevermore, so it's only natural I focused on gold hoarding, only to get slapped with this grind, meaning I have to go back and repeat EVERYTHING over and over and over and over and over...whereas I did achievements and everything of interest there. I don't want to be forced to do this, but I am being forced because I want Skyscale. I got this far and I have to torment myself now to complete these hearts which I loathe so much.
    Anyone would get fed-up had they done them as much as I have.
    Judge all you want, but all of us have a different way of playing and a little understanding would be appreciated. I could do better things in game instead of grinding these currencies which I've done nth times.

    Nobody would complain had Skyscale been more superior to griffon, at least I know I wouldn't, as that way it would be a reward worthy of this mess.
    Right now it is not worthy of this mess, yet people still want it because it's a dragon, naturally. It's no wonder a lot of people complain about it though, it's worse than most of the mounts that we have and it drops from air faster than griffon.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arzurag.7506 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    I'm confused, how is people not having the materials a problem?

    Not having the materials = have to farm the materials = have to spend time in the game working towards something that they believe should be granted, instant gratification. No instant gratification = big problem.

    It's not about instant gratification, even by just glancing over the posts that complain about having to farm the needed currency would have told you that.
    It's about playing a part of the game that some ppl are burned out of playing. The map's rewards already required farming a lot and now there's an entire stack on top of it, that is acquired by repeating tasks over and over again. Of course, it's basically playing the game but that does not necessarily mean, that's fun.

    AKA these players don't want to play this part of the game, but still want the mount. In other words they don't want to put the effort and want it (the farm) either removed (gratification) or skipped by gold.

    Lets not forget the big thread that basically was telling everyone that:
    "You don't understand us - we don't mind working towards the collection, we can't work towards it because the time gates are keeping it locked."
    In other words people wanted to work for the mount and just somehow reduce the time gates. Now, when the time gates will be reduced, these same people are contradicting themselves by saying that they no longer want to even put the efforts of working towards the mount and want to put even less efforts.
    There is already a post about skipping most of the collection with gold - we both know that.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Players are steadily moving to instant gratification request. This thread is the step before you want to buy the mount with gold (and there is a thread about that BTW). And after that is the instant gratification, because players won't stop here - they didn't stop after ANET said they will reduce the time gates :)

    I have to look at that thread but I would not call that an unreasonable request. Players likely just want to earn their mount their own way.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Players are steadily moving to instant gratification request. This thread is the step before you want to buy the mount with gold (and there is a thread about that BTW). And after that is the instant gratification, because players won't stop here - they didn't stop after ANET said they will reduce the time gates :)

    I have to look at that thread but I would not call that an unreasonable request. Players likely just want to earn their mount their own way.

    Don't you think that this adds P2W elements? The fact that you call it reasonable (you and some other players) is sad.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @Arzurag.7506 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    I'm confused, how is people not having the materials a problem?

    Not having the materials = have to farm the materials = have to spend time in the game working towards something that they believe should be granted, instant gratification. No instant gratification = big problem.

    It's not about instant gratification, even by just glancing over the posts that complain about having to farm the needed currency would have told you that.
    It's about playing a part of the game that some ppl are burned out of playing. The map's rewards already required farming a lot and now there's an entire stack on top of it, that is acquired by repeating tasks over and over again. Of course, it's basically playing the game but that does not necessarily mean, that's fun.

    AKA these players don't want to play this part of the game, but still want the mount. In other words they don't want to put the effort and want it (the farm) either removed (gratification) or skipped by gold.

    Lets not forget the big thread that basically was telling everyone that:
    "You don't understand us - we don't mind working towards the collection, we can't work towards it because the time gates are keeping it locked."
    In other words people wanted to work for the mount and just somehow reduce the time gates. Now, when the time gates will be reduced, these same people are contradicting themselves by saying that they no longer want to even put the efforts of working towards the mount and want to put even less efforts.
    There is already a post about skipping most of the collection with gold - we both know that.

    Are we talking about a legendary or a mount here?
    Oh wait...we are talking about a mount that is actually worse than griffon, but requires a ton more time, effort and even gold to get it!
    Complaints are justified, as people are getting a mount that can hover, but is worse than griffon in every other way; the reason why people want is because it's a dragon, which is natural anyone would want it.
    People want it for skin...a skin that is locked behind a legendary grind, basically.

    Now, grind aside, as I keep repeating in my posts, I believe I'd be fine with this, had I not killed myself farming these currencies before. I used to live in LS4 maps for a very long time.
    Now I have to do it again?
    It's natural I will voice my complaint, because I am very demotivated to do it all over again. The endless repetition, whereas I could spend my time in new map and have fun exploring it with my very own Skyscale...but nope...

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @totaloverride.3240 said:
    this mount better be flying like a plane.
    bcs, while testing it in DF map, i think griffon is better by FAAAR.

    That's the next issue btw. People are wildly over-hyping the mount because it's gated to them. Probably the next thing which people will complain about, similar as with the Warclaw.

    The new mount is good at 2 things:

    • hovering in the air while afk
    • horizontal movement which is not straight up (around ledges for example)

    On everything else the Bunny or Griffon surpass it.

    EDIT: and for everyone hoping the mount gets faster with masteries: it doesn't. It behaves exactly as the ones in Dragonfall.

    Yes, until things get sorted out with the acquisition I will just play the new map and consider skyscales set dressing. My bunny is more useful in 99% of the cases.

    I do not share most of the peeves people have shared. From my understanding I can buy almost everything I need on the TP. I also have no problem with the mat requirement, I liquidated half of my supply of 500 of each at the start of the episode and my pile of the new mat is slowly growing (as well as the others again thanks to home instance nodes). Instead my gate is because it is at the end of the story, not where it would make more sense, where we discover them in the story. I have epilepsy so a flashing lights instance is not a good idea and feeling like I am going up high (gathering the blood) is no bueno as well.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aerlen.5326 said:
    Some of us, like myself, have disabilities where certain types of content just isn't possible to complete.

    Not having seen a complete list of what is required or knowing what content have you looked into options? I know a lot of things you can straight out buy for gold.

    I suppose I am lucky, my own disability (epilepsy) prevented me from even starting this inanity.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    I have epilepsy so a flashing lights instance is not a good idea and feeling like I am going up high (gathering the blood) is no bueno as well.

    The final mission, the KralkaTardis quest (Tardis..because it's bigger on the inside) won't be fun for you I'm afraid, though I suspect you already know that.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Blur.3465 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @Arzurag.7506 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    Going to quote myself:

    • If you gathered the materials in the past and spent the materials, you had your benefit then.
    • If you did not gather the materials in the past, you need to gather them now. You get to decide what to spend those materials on and if it's worth it to get the mount and at what pace.
    • If you gathered the materials in the past and saved them, you get to not have to gather them now (and have to gather more for all the items you did not get in the past).

    At some point in time, every player needs to gather the required materials for the collection. I don't care if people now have buyers remorse about spending their resources in the past. I care even less about players who didn't gather the materials in the first place.

    The collection requires 250 of all T4 map resources from everybody.

    Let me quote myself:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    It's pretty silly to expect players to have full stacks of every currency just sitting in their bank.
    List of reasons why
    Really, what we're hearing are the pack rats and paranoid taking a condescending victory lap.

    Everything you just said and have been saying is completely irrelevant to what I said. Players do not have the mats. Period. Any argument to the contrary is immediately defeated by the hoards of players saying they don't have the mats in game, and on social media. Whether you feel the cosmic scoreboard emotionally validates you doesn't change the fact of the matter. It does no good to argue against the self-evident. If you cannot understand why people don't have the mats, then I've already explained to you why. If you can, then there's nothing left to discuss on the matter. If you want to talk feelings, call a therapist.

    I'm confused, how is people not having the materials a problem?

    Not having the materials = have to farm the materials = have to spend time in the game working towards something that they believe should be granted, instant gratification. No instant gratification = big problem.

    It's not about instant gratification, even by just glancing over the posts that complain about having to farm the needed currency would have told you that.
    It's about playing a part of the game that some ppl are burned out of playing. The map's rewards already required farming a lot and now there's an entire stack on top of it, that is acquired by repeating tasks over and over again. Of course, it's basically playing the game but that does not necessarily mean, that's fun.

    AKA these players don't want to play this part of the game, but still want the mount. In other words they don't want to put the effort and want it (the farm) either removed (gratification) or skipped by gold.

    Lets not forget the big thread that basically was telling everyone that:
    "You don't understand us - we don't mind working towards the collection, we can't work towards it because the time gates are keeping it locked."
    In other words people wanted to work for the mount and just somehow reduce the time gates. Now, when the time gates will be reduced, these same people are contradicting themselves by saying that they no longer want to even put the efforts of working towards the mount and want to put even less efforts.
    There is already a post about skipping most of the collection with gold - we both know that.

    Are we talking about a legendary or a mount here?
    Oh wait...we are talking about a mount that is actually worse than griffon, but requires a ton more time, effort and even gold to get it!
    Complaints are justified, as people are getting a mount that can hover, but is worse than griffon in every other way; the reason why people want is because it's a dragon, which is natural anyone would want it.
    People want it for skin...a skin that is locked behind a legendary grind, basically.

    Now, grind aside, as I keep repeating in my posts, I believe I'd be fine with this, had I not killed myself farming these currencies before. I used to live in LS4 maps for a very long time.
    Now I have to do it again?
    It's natural I will voice my complaint, because I am very demotivated to do it all over again. The endless repetition, whereas I could spend my time in new map and have fun exploring it with my very own Skyscale...but nope...

    No, you are wrong and I will explain why. You are comparing this collection to a legendary collection but it is not comparable. Why, you may ask? Because, for example, Aurora (comparing it with Aurora because it was the end of LS3 as Skyscale is the end of LS4) requires you to unlock an ASCENDED piece of back which had ~15 days time gate and massive amount of farming, including hearts and collection. This was done for a piece of ASCENDED back and I literally have 10 ASC backs! Please keep in mind that this was ONLY one part of the collection. If we compare the ASCENDED back with the mount you will notice that the mount requires less farming and time to complete, but no - you are comparing it with the whole legendary collection, which further increases, first, the time you need to complete and, second, the amount of gold you need.
    Another point where you are wrong is implying your opinion as words of all people. You are saying that the mount can basically hover and is worse than the griffon. Well I find hovering pretty cool and I can see some benefits of these mechanics like I can do some maps for the world explorer achievement easier with this mount, I can afk mid air, I can fly behind edges, I can climb some rocks where unmounting feels bad idea because you are risking to fall.
    Third point - I find this mount more rare than any legendary. Why, you will ask again? Because its mechanics are unique and no other mount can do what this one can. While instead of having, lets say Aurora, I can have a normal ASCENDED trinket which will do exactly the same job. In fact I have several with different stats and I change them on demand. But I can't change to griffon and hover on one place, no? Not to mention that i will use this mount a lot more than 90% of my legendaries.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    I have epilepsy so a flashing lights instance is not a good idea and feeling like I am going up high (gathering the blood) is no bueno as well.

    The final mission, the KralkaTardis quest (Tardis..because it's bigger on the inside) won't be fun for you I'm afraid, though I suspect you already know that.

    Thanks, I did not know about that one. It sounds like they wanted to gate this as much as possible. They really should have some people with disabilities as playtesters since things like flashing lights went way overboard this season. Is the item from it TPable?

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    I have epilepsy so a flashing lights instance is not a good idea and feeling like I am going up high (gathering the blood) is no bueno as well.

    The final mission, the KralkaTardis quest (Tardis..because it's bigger on the inside) won't be fun for you I'm afraid, though I suspect you already know that.

    Thanks, I did not know about that one. It sounds like they wanted to gate this as much as possible. They really should have some people with disabilities as playtesters since things like flashing lights went way overboard this season. Is the item from it TPable?

    Without getting into too many details, we are talking about a crystal dragon that carries his own storm around with him, so just imagine lots of pink/purply flashes. Dunno if that would be aggravating to you, or if that can be toned down with lower graphic settings, but it was decidedly sparkly.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    I have epilepsy so a flashing lights instance is not a good idea and feeling like I am going up high (gathering the blood) is no bueno as well.

    The final mission, the KralkaTardis quest (Tardis..because it's bigger on the inside) won't be fun for you I'm afraid, though I suspect you already know that.

    Thanks, I did not know about that one. It sounds like they wanted to gate this as much as possible. They really should have some people with disabilities as playtesters since things like flashing lights went way overboard this season. Is the item from it TPable?

    Without getting into too many details, we are talking about a crystal dragon that carries his own storm around with him, so just imagine lots of pink/purply flashes. Dunno if that would be aggravating to you, or if that can be toned down with lower graphic settings, but it was decidedly sparkly.

    I might be able to do it but it sounds like they want to cause seizures in some people. Sort of like the first instance of the first episode. Flashes when they could have easily been avoided.

    Ironically I was ready to praise them for most of the story. No gratuitous effects and they concentrated on story rather than the cheep trick of throwing waves of mobs at the player. Then they did a 180 of the visuals near the end.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Only Jahai and Dragonfall left for me. Guess I will be done by tomorrow evening. Two and a half days of grinding are better than weeks, so I will stop complaining and just look forward to my Skyscale. ;)

  • Graymalkyn.8076Graymalkyn.8076 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    Simply put: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

    I just got tired of doing 20+ tasks, waiting for the reset, and then finding out I had to do 20+ MORE tasks. I became disheartening. It's not the mats, It's the daily "What silly things do I have to do today?". At some point, even the donkey just sits down and gives up.

    We are what we write; our language defines us.

  • Jojo.6140Jojo.6140 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Blur.3465 said:
    Nobody would complain had Skyscale been more superior to griffon, at least I know I wouldn't, as that way it would be a reward worthy of this mess. Right now it is not worthy of this mess, yet people still want it because it's a dragon, naturally. It's no wonder a lot of people complain about it though, it's worse than most of the mounts that we have and it drops from air faster than griffon.

    @Blur.3465 said:
    Oh wait...we are talking about a mount that is actually worse than griffon, but requires a ton more time, effort and even gold to get it!

    What i dont understand here: If the end-reward of the collection, the skyscale, is so bad for you anyway, why do you still want to have it? You say its not worth for you the amount of materials it requires. Well, then dont get it? Especially since you also say that you find the griffon to be better anyway.

    Also, there arent just a few pack-rats that have hoarded the materials. Its common knowledge that you keep account-bound materials and only convert them into gold if you are in dire need of it. Thats the reason people use to have tons of laurels: Ofc they could just convert them to gold, but they only do it if they are really in need for it, because gold is widely available through all kinds of activities, while laurels are not. The map currencies arent that bad anyway since you can get as many as you want per day through various ways: pvp and wvw reward tracks, gathering on the specific map, doing map dailies or metas.

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    If we compare the skyscale to the new legendary greatsword, we can see what the problem is. The skyscale collections are like Bendy and the Ink Machine. Particularly the chapter in the middle (can't remember which one) where you get sent on a near endless series of fetch quests. You spend the whole time running around in circles doing menial and detached tasks. There is no end in sight, little to no rhyme or reason, nothing to gain elsewhere, no way to measure your progress, no telling what's coming next. It was the most hated chapter in an otherwise beloved indie game.

    Heh, you mean the chapter where you need to collect a whole series of items for Alice Angel. Think that was chapter 3 :)

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    No, you are wrong and I will explain why. You are comparing this collection to a legendary collection but it is not comparable. Why, you may ask? Because, for example, Aurora (comparing it with Aurora because it was the end of LS3 as Skyscale is the end of LS4) requires you to unlock an ASCENDED piece of back which had ~15 days time gate and massive amount of farming, including hearts and collection. This was done for a piece of ASCENDED back and I literally have 10 ASC backs! Please keep in mind that this was ONLY one part of the collection. If we compare the ASCENDED back with the mount you will notice that the mount requires less farming and time to complete, but no - you are comparing it with the whole legendary collection, which further increases, first, the time you need to complete and, second, the amount of gold you need.
    Another point where you are wrong is implying your opinion as words of all people. You are saying that the mount can basically hover and is worse than the griffon. Well I find hovering pretty cool and I can see some benefits of these mechanics like I can do some maps for the world explorer achievement easier with this mount, I can afk mid air, I can fly behind edges, I can climb some rocks where unmounting feels bad idea because you are risking to fall.
    Third point - I find this mount more rare than any legendary. Why, you will ask again? Because its mechanics are unique and no other mount can do what this one can. While instead of having, lets say Aurora, I can have a normal ASCENDED trinket which will do exactly the same job. In fact I have several with different stats and I change them on demand. But I can't change to griffon and hover on one place, no? Not to mention that i will use this mount a lot more than 90% of my legendaries.

    I guess I and many people here who are saying the same thing on forums are wrong then?
    Skyscale does nothing other mounts can't, except hovering. I never said hovering is wrong, I just said that's literally the ONLY thing Skyscale can do 'better' and it's nothing that actually makes it stand toe to toe with other mounts.
    Springer still jumps higher, Skimmer still hovers over water, Griffon is faster and better in every way as it stays longer in air and it can leap over the cliffs/go up the cliffs faster than skyscale can lift itself up to 'skip' over the cliff. Skyscale doesn't regenerate green bar when clung to the mountain, it's only done via mastery which still doesn't regenerate it, but just restore a portion of it, meaning you'll still get stuck if you run out of it. Skyscale flies a ton slower, it runs out of green bar fast and starts dropping low, meaning Griffon will outdo it via normal flight (no speed buff). Skyscale can't dive down either.
    So yes, you are free to comb through the threads and look up what many people are complaining about too.
    The mount is simply not worth the hassle.

    So yes, Skyscale only does worse what other mounts can do better, minus hovering.

    And in all honesty, see how wrong it is to compare it to a legendary? Unfortunately, Skyscale DOES feel like we are grinding for a legendary. Compared to Griffon, this is pure annoyance; and worst of all is that it IS worse than griffon, that's a fact, whether we like some mechanics about it or not, it's still worse.

  • Ragnarox.9601Ragnarox.9601 Member ✭✭✭

    so if they put requirements for next ls5:

    2000lv wvw
    platinum pvp rank
    twice told legend rank
    all 3 leg armor sets

    you would gladly farm for it so you can start new ls? thats how new mount grind feels.

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jojo.6140 said:

    @Blur.3465 said:
    Nobody would complain had Skyscale been more superior to griffon, at least I know I wouldn't, as that way it would be a reward worthy of this mess. Right now it is not worthy of this mess, yet people still want it because it's a dragon, naturally. It's no wonder a lot of people complain about it though, it's worse than most of the mounts that we have and it drops from air faster than griffon.

    @Blur.3465 said:
    Oh wait...we are talking about a mount that is actually worse than griffon, but requires a ton more time, effort and even gold to get it!

    What i dont understand here: If the end-reward of the collection, the skyscale, is so bad for you anyway, why do you still want to have it? You say its not worth for you the amount of materials it requires. Well, then dont get it? Especially since you also say that you find the griffon to be better anyway.

    Also, there arent just a few pack-rats that have hoarded the materials. Its common knowledge that you keep account-bound materials and only convert them into gold if you are in dire need of it. Thats the reason people use to have tons of laurels: Ofc they could just convert them to gold, but they only do it if they are really in need for it, because gold is widely available through all kinds of activities, while laurels are not. The map currencies arent that bad anyway since you can get as many as you want per day through various ways: pvp and wvw reward tracks, gathering on the specific map, doing map dailies or metas.

    Why would I not want it? Am I forbidden to not want it? It's a dragon, of course I want it. I want to have all mounts.
    The fact stands that it is worse than a griffon and that it's unreasonable to ask such insane collections for it, as it is worse.

    The issue here is that I've done the content so many times that I am sick of it. These materials collected dust, I have converted them to gold to get materials for Nevermore, which I was saying in many of my previous posts.
    It's simply making me demotivated and fed-up to have to go through same content over and over again, whereas I've done it so many times already.
    I have no intentions to explain myself for nth time, as it seems people simply don't want to understand how some of us feel about it.
    I believe nobody would complain had requiremend been lowered to 100-150 of these materials instead of a whole stack.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Blur.3465 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Fine, people don't have the materials. So?

    Play the game and get them.

    Or not and don't have the mount.

    The amount of instant gratification desire and the constant complaints from people unwilling to play the game for the rewards they want has never been a strong argument in my book.

    Back when the Griff on released, people freaked out about 250 gold requirement.
    Back when the Requiem armor released, people were freaking out about how unjust it was and that all they wanted is a way to work towards it at their own pace.
    Now people freak out that given the ability to work towards the mount at their own pace, without the TP, they don't have it instantly.
    The 1 constant is people want stuff. Period.

    Facepalm
    I don't want to sound rude, but...would you really say something like this had you....say, lived in LS4 maps, farmed these currencies to get gold and buy legendary? Now naturally, one would NEVER assume that a mount would require a 'legendary' collection, a mount that is even worse than griffon! Not only does it cost a ton to get it, but it also requires a horrible amount of grinding.
    Now if you take my case for example, I lived on these maps and farmed, got Nevermore that way as I bought so many materials for it thanks to Volatile Magic and Leather crates.
    Why the heck...would I save up these currencies knowing they'll never be used for anything except legendaries? (Aurora I am looking at you)
    Logically, one would convert them, get gold and get things a person likes, right? I had no interest in any other legendary after Nevermore, so it's only natural I focused on gold hoarding, only to get slapped with this grind, meaning I have to go back and repeat EVERYTHING over and over and over and over and over...whereas I did achievements and everything of interest there. I don't want to be forced to do this, but I am being forced because I want Skyscale. I got this far and I have to torment myself now to complete these hearts which I loathe so much.
    Anyone would get fed-up had they done them as much as I have.
    Judge all you want, but all of us have a different way of playing and a little understanding would be appreciated. I could do better things in game instead of grinding these currencies which I've done nth times.

    Nobody would complain had Skyscale been more superior to griffon, at least I know I wouldn't, as that way it would be a reward worthy of this mess.
    Right now it is not worthy of this mess, yet people still want it because it's a dragon, naturally. It's no wonder a lot of people complain about it though, it's worse than most of the mounts that we have and it drops from air faster than griffon.

    Yes I would and I have in the past, yet I never came to the forums and whined and complained but rather decided to either take my time with the content, omit it or plan ahead better in the future. If you farmed the currencies for gold, you got gold to use and were likely happy with getting that gold.

    Now suddenly you have buyers remorse because there is some shiny which you value more than the legendary or gold you got earlier now that the old shiny has passed.

    The issue if the mount is worth the hassle is one of: is it worth it for people to do this amount of farm and absolutely unrelated to if people have the materials or not.

    On the contrary, every person can now make an educated decision if the mount is worth this hassle to them or not. If not, fine then don't get it.

    Every person has to farm the materials at some point in time. Those materials have value as both conversion into gold (which is less now with the new farm bottoming out prices, where do I go complain that my Volatile Magic is worth less currently?) and as resources for the mount.

    If people want to argue that the required materials are to much, fine. Then argue that and I will say that from a game design perspective as encouragement for the maps to see play it makes sense. If you don't feel the reward justifies the effort, then don't go for it. My assumption though is this: a lot of people will whine and moan because they didn't get their new shinny immediately, but a vast majority will play the content either way and 2-3 weeks down the road this issue will be resolved both with some people deciding it's not worth it and others having achieved their goal.

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    in that other thread peope; disagreed with me (even made fun of me) when i said skyscale was the aurora-equivalent legendary of ls4.

    and now here we are, does need 250 curency of every map, just like aurora did
    requires a kittenload of colelctions, just like aurora did

    ah

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭

    You don't have to rush this part. It is the last step so you don't gotta get it done before reset like the others. If you didn't have the 250 of each there is no reason to burn yourself out for what most have said is an inferior mount that atm is not blocking you from any content. If you go and spend 6 h farming jahai and complain when there is no rush on this step I can't help you.

  • DarkKaiba.3057DarkKaiba.3057 Member
    edited May 22, 2019

    This Saddle step doesn't make any sense at all.

    I guess i can be considered as a casual player, more or less. I started playing 2 months ago, i got every other mount, enjoyed both HoT and PoF, and was really excited about the Skyscale.
    I did every step, until this Sad(dle) one, and i was frustrated when i realized that for this last step, it would take me about 3 hours a day for 2 months of farming to get the required stacks of currencies.

    It's an insane amount of time to simply get a mount, of which all previous steps were time consuming but doable, even for a new player like me.

    Compared to this, even the Griffon one was a piece of cake. I gladly farmed the 250g for it, because i knew there were no surprises around the corner.

    If i have known that in order to finish the Skyscale i needed this huge amount of farming, i wouldn't have wasted my in-game time (and gold) for it in the last 7 days.

    I'm really demotivated now, and i'm thinking about taking a long break from GW2.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @yann.1946 said:

    I'm confused, how is people not having the materials a problem?

    It isn't a problem. There's nothing wrong with requiring the materials. I posted saying that expecting people to have them is silly.

    If we compare the skyscale to the new legendary greatsword, we can see what the problem is. The skyscale collections are like Bendy and the Ink Machine. Particularly the chapter in the middle (can't remember which one) where you get sent on a near endless series of fetch quests. You spend the whole time running around in circles doing menial and detached tasks. There is no end in sight, little to no rhyme or reason, nothing to gain elsewhere, no way to measure your progress, no telling what's coming next. It was the most hated chapter in an otherwise beloved indie game.

    See, Exordium is kind. You know it is coming from a mile away, and you know what you'll need. Gift of Mastery, Mystic Tribute, the precursor (which is really a whole lot of mithril, elder wood, and a few ascended mats), and the weapon gift of which you already know half of. It makes no qualms about what it is. But the Skyscale is mean. Every day you wake up to find a new burden, and another wall full of random stuff that you weren't expecting.

    If I were to translate the gameplay behind earning the skyscale into any other medium, it would be terrible. Imagine a book, where every chapter is released sequentially each week. The contents of each chapter are: man climbs 20 different mountain tops to watch a bird fly away, man hunts and kills 20 non-specific animals of no significance, man climbs 20 trees to collect bird feathers, man climbs the same 20 trees to feed a bird, man climbs the same 20 trees to get an egg, etc. It would be terrible. You're told the end is worth it, about after the third week of reading these meandering stories you'd be pretty ticked off. Now, try putting it into a television show, where the next 7 episodes aren't a self contained story, but a slowly meandering story of meticulous detail and no payoff. Try putting it into a comic book, where each issue is a man making 20 of the same object for the next 7 issues. Try putting it into a song, where for 7 minutes the chorus just loops with a slight alteration every minute.

    It's all terrible, right? Now imagine you have to pay a whole lot more for the last chapter/issue/episode. You discover this on the day that the last chapter is released. Of course you're ticked off. That's just another kick in the teeth. But hey, you could always not watch the last episode!

    Here is the problem: everything about the skyscale is poorly designed. Hiding all of the collections away is a bad idea. Making these collections take several hours for the average player each is a bad idea. Giving absolutely no indication of financial cost or time investment is a bad idea. Putting so many collections together in one continuous stream is a bad idea. Making nearly every part of these collections function the same way is a bad idea. Arbitrarily gating these collections for vague, touchy-feely reasons is a bad idea. Worst of all, this information was discovered in the worst possible order. First you learn that it'll take a few days. Then you learn that it'll take many more days. Then you learn that you have to pay so it won't take weeks. Then you learn you have to pay even more. Then finally you learn that you have to pay a whole lot more, and the real-time gate behind earning all of these mats is actually longer than the arbitrary gate.

    It's like every day you wake up, you go to eat breakfast. You can see it, you can smell it, and just as you're grabbing the fork it gets snatched away. Then, you get punched in the face. Every day, you get punched a little harder. The material costs themselves would've been fine, if Anet was up-front about it weeks before the release. The time gates... were excessive to the point of sadism BUT, if we knew beforehand that it would take so long to get the skyscale, then it wouldn't have been as big of a problem. But, Anet did not let us know. We were left to discover, and what we found we did not like.

    You're examples are bit misleading aren't they?

    The coming out chapter per chapter thing is in yor example not really the cause of the problem. Only the bad story is.

    Their are good parts in the collection as well. (as I've heard lots of people enjoy playing with their skyscale).

    I do agree that telling people in front would have been a good idea but that doesn't really happen most of the time. (in a lot of cases for good reason).

    But why is taking long a bad thing for a collection?

    As a last question if the not having of the materials is not a problem why bring it up in the first place?

  • Sarpan.9074Sarpan.9074 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    Wow with the amount that has to be done to get this mount it should just fly, its not worth it otherwise. Too clunky and awkward, no real advantage over griffon and it takes much much more than griffon to get. Im not even bothering at this point, this is just bad all the way round. It should have been known upfront that this was going to be like this, i never would have even went to dragonfall

    @DarkKaiba.3057 said:
    This Saddle step doesn't make any sense at all.

    I guess i can be considered as a casual player, more or less. I started playing 2 months ago, i got every other mount, enjoyed both HoT and PoF, and was really excited about the Skyscale.
    I did every step, until this Sad(dle) one, and i was frustrated when i realized that for this last step, it would take me about 3 hours a day for 2 months of farming to get the required stacks of currencies.

    It's an insane amount of time to simply get a mount, of which all previous steps were time consuming but doable, even for a new player like me.

    Compared to this, even the Griffon one was a piece of cake. I gladly farmed the 250g for it, because i knew there were no surprises around the corner.

    If i have known that in order to finish the Skyscale i needed this huge amount of farming, i wouldn't have wasted my in-game time (and gold) for it in the last 7 days.

    I'm really demotivated now, and i'm thinking about taking a long break from GW2.

    I was pretty interested in the Skyscale and did/do want one, but if I had known up front the amount of effort and cost required to get it, I probably would have done without. Maybe Anet realized that a ton of players would feel the same way and so did not let us know what was going to be involved. Now that I've gotten this far, I'm going to finish it. Perhaps that is what they were counting on.

    One more down side of this grindfest is that it's taking away from the time that I would have spent in the DF meta. Even on the timegated "waiting days" I was just too meh to even bother with the meta. This thing has soured me that much.

    I was hoping that the masteries would pump up the Skyscale and make it more than it appears to be now, but others seem to be saying that is not the case. My last hope here is that there will be some future content that makes this all worth it, but...

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    Please delete; I was off topic.

  • I wish anet informed us about this and I wouldn't bother tbh.. I didn't mind timegate stuff but the saddle part is just ridiculous. The colletion already took a lot of my time and I was happy when I finished Troublesome Skyscales.. oh how wrong I was. Now I just feel pretty demotivated and drained out. "All for Nothing"

  • Graymalkyn.8076Graymalkyn.8076 Member ✭✭✭

    @Saleerian.2973 said:
    I wish anet informed us about this and I wouldn't bother tbh.. I didn't mind timegate stuff but the saddle part is just ridiculous. The colletion already took a lot of my time and I was happy when I finished Troublesome Skyscales.. oh how wrong I was. Now I just feel pretty demotivated and drained out. "All for Nothing"

    Exactly how I feel. I thought Troublesome Skyscales was the final bit. When Gorrik said to make a saddle, I thought "Oh no." Then when I went to the first vendor and saw what would be required, i just said " F it" and moved along.

    Really, all it is is a cool looking, and relatively safe, afk emote.

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  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @DarkKaiba.3057 said:
    This Saddle step doesn't make any sense at all.

    I guess i can be considered as a casual player, more or less. I started playing 2 months ago, i got every other mount, enjoyed both HoT and PoF, and was really excited about the Skyscale.
    I did every step, until this Sad(dle) one, and i was frustrated when i realized that for this last step, it would take me about 3 hours a day for 2 months of farming to get the required stacks of currencies.

    It's an insane amount of time to simply get a mount, of which all previous steps were time consuming but doable, even for a new player like me.

    Compared to this, even the Griffon one was a piece of cake. I gladly farmed the 250g for it, because i knew there were no surprises around the corner.

    If i have known that in order to finish the Skyscale i needed this huge amount of farming, i wouldn't have wasted my in-game time (and gold) for it in the last 7 days.

    I'm really demotivated now, and i'm thinking about taking a long break from GW2.

    or buy the 5 of each currency for 50 days from the dragonfall guy and even if you don't have a ton volital magic you can skimmer that route in thunderhead peaks near dredge that has like 80 in a row. Would take like 3 min a day compared to your 2-3h grind over 2 months you think and may stop you from taking a break from gw2.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭

    What it boils down to is people are ticked off because we did not save up the resources necessary to do this as fast as we would have liked. I think most of this frustration could have been avoided with a little communication about what will be required material/currency wise beforehand.

    What grinds my gears most is that I watched the livestream where the devs were showing off the new mount and its mechanics. They had every opportunity to give us a heads up on some of this. They did not need to lay out the full path on how we would obtain the mount but a quick hey you will need charged crystals and LWS4 map currencies to complete the quest line fully. This would have got people out doing those maps in droves.

    But Instead we have a new map out and are now we are being forced away from it for the most part to go get these absurd amount of map currencies. Yes it is our fault we do not have the stockpiles saved up but I think its just a bad move on Anets part really. Something that holds this much shock value would have been better to known sooner than later.

    It feels like we are beta testing something bigger than this really and Anet is just sitting around seeing how we will respond. To me it seems everyone who is waiting on getting the mount or just away from the game right now will have an advantage because of the changes coming on the 28th. Heck maybe we will see a currency reduction at some point too. If that happens I do feel sorry for the people who got it before all the adjustments to the system. They deserve at least one free skin in my book and reimbursement for any material/currency differences if there are any.

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  • @vyncius.6105 said:
    People asked for longer content, complained about empty ls4 maps, once anet gives you reason to come to these maps you all start to complain that is too hard and not worth it.... SO DONT DO IT.
    I am not doing myself, not because its time or farm gated, but because I dont like that mount, griffon is superior to skyscale anyday and anytime.
    If you so badly want that mount, so just shut your mouth and take it slowly, meet people, talk to people while farming.
    Ive done aurora and it was fun to come to old ls maps and meet people, talk to them.

    They key word there is "content". Having people grind out rare map material/currency that they probably used up or never bothered with after they did the story step on those maps is not longer or even new content. Its just a grind that is put in to inflate the time spent in game doing mindless drivel. If I went to a restaurant and had an ok meal but asked for more food on a dish and their idea of more food was a bowl of flavored foam and more frequent water refills I'd be a little irked. That's all this collection is in he end. Filler bloat busy work meant to get people on a map so their metrics show how many people are on a given map. Nothing new has been added to the game and the grind on those maps is just obnoxious. More so if you have limited play time and now have to spend it doing this grindy nonsense instead of playing parts of the game you might enjoy more.

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  • Glass Hand.7306Glass Hand.7306 Member ✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    I have the materials available because I bought the home instance nodes and farmed them every day. Yet still I do not have a Skyscale today.

    I definitely object to the time gates that are not reliant on some previous accumulation of materials. Having the saddle available only after an additional reset is an example of this. If you've had the foresight to build an inventory of the materials to purchase the saddle you should be able to do it immediately.

    Preparation and foresight should not be arbitrarily thwarted.

    If it weren't for this form of time gating I would have been done with this 3 days ago.

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭

    I think I'll wait till some people actually get the mount to know about the full requirements.
    Also I don't think this is the first new collection that requires doing something in older maps or using older currencies. Why do people assume those currencies wasn't going to be used ever again?

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @coso.9173 said:
    I think I'll wait till some people actually get the mount to know about the full requirements.
    Also I don't think this is the first new collection that requires doing something in older maps or using older currencies. Why do people assume those currencies wasn't going to be used ever again?

    Many people have already obtained the mount and the full requirements are already available.

    What specifically about the saddle requirements do you have questions about?

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭

    ha I didn't know some people had alreday gotten it. so there's no new collections that people need to discover :D I had read several posts yesterday about each new collections needed a new collection and other things.

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