noiwk.2760 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 can you please delete stealth along with thief from the game? daredevil is just kinda kitten and stupid.. its not even fun anymore to fight someone who use stealth every 2 seconds .. rework stealth put some real cooldown on it ! its soooooooo annoying that thieves just stealth every few seconds and jump on you agian and then stealth again and again and agian even when they dont have to they stealth because they can.. get rid of it ! 6 11 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 someone is new 🙂 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I recommend doing what I did just recently. Make a thief of your own, and play it until you're comfortable with the profession. Take note of what opposing players are doing to counter you. Personally, I never knew how frustrating tempests were until I started playing DE. I love it when Swirling winds disables my character for 6 seconds. Also see: Shocking Aura. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjo.6143 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just learn to play, I love play against thieves, too easy. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrew.3059 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 There should be a pinned thread in the Thief forums called “Stealth: To Be or Not To Be” so we can save people the trouble of retreading the same ground ad infinitum. Although maybe writing these things is therapeutic? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noiwk.2760 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 Umm i just dont think steath in its current form is healthy or anything.. i think its poorly designed it has 0 drawback as a mechanic .. and the fact that thief has basically no cd spamable stealth is just annoying .. i feel like the stealth spam with the stupid shadow heart is a toxic mechanic that just annoy and bully newer players. no class should ahve spamable stealth that heals them and clean conditions and provide damage reduction .. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrew.3059 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, noiwk.2760 said: Umm i just dont think steath in its current form is healthy or anything.. i think its poorly designed it has 0 drawback as a mechanic .. and the fact that thief has basically no cd spamable stealth is just annoying .. i feel like the stealth spam with the stupid shadow heart is a toxic mechanic that just annoy and bully newer players. no class should ahve spamable stealth that heals them and clean conditions and provide damage reduction .. I feel your thoughts would be a lot more constructive if you demonstrated some familiarity with the profession and its actual play style. Have you found playing Thief to be easy and unfairly rewarding or have you never even tried the profession you claim is the beneficiary of a toxic mechanic? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, noiwk.2760 said: Umm i just dont think steath in its current form is healthy or anything.. i think its poorly designed it has 0 drawback as a mechanic .. and the fact that thief has basically no cd spamable stealth is just annoying .. i feel like the stealth spam with the stupid shadow heart is a toxic mechanic that just annoy and bully newer players. no class should ahve spamable stealth that heals them and clean conditions and provide damage reduction .. Stealth has multiple CD's there is : 1. Your button cooldown like your heal for 4 seconds of stealth. 2. Then there's the combo cooldown which is to combo a smoke field since only thieves and engineers can create smoke fields thats 2 cool downs, 1 to put the field down 1 to combo it. (also you rarely see an engineer with a traited fire turrent or the trait that drops a smoke field when they are CC'd. 3. There's also the reveal timer as well if you hit some one in stealth you cannot restealth for i think 5 seconds regardless of your own internal cool downs. So in all stealth is a cost heavy mechanic that thieves happily spend initiative and endurance over because you simply cannot live outisde of it learn to find the openings when they are visible it happens alot and all it takes is one or two good hits to kill a thief or make him run or rotate. Edited August 30, 2021 by Genesis.5169 Additional Info 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokenPWNZ.7628 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Stealth is just a source to spend malice, no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjo.6143 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, HokenPWNZ.7628 said: Stealth is just a source to spend malice, no more Nobody plays deadeye 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luto.1938 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 12:19 PM, noiwk.2760 said: can you please delete stealth along with thief from the game? daredevil is just kinda kitten and stupid.. its not even fun anymore to fight someone who use stealth every 2 seconds .. rework stealth put some real cooldown on it ! its soooooooo annoying that thieves just stealth every few seconds and jump on you agian and then stealth again and again and agian even when they dont have to they stealth because they can.. get rid of it ! Stealth has been nerfed years ago with the revealed debuff they added. Keep in mind all you need to do is use an aoe, or cleave and you can actually "accidentally" kill a thief. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawgie.1835 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, noiwk.2760 said: Umm i just dont think steath in its current form is healthy or anything.. i think its poorly designed it has 0 drawback as a mechanic .. and the fact that thief has basically no cd spamable stealth is just annoying .. i feel like the stealth spam with the stupid shadow heart is a toxic mechanic that just annoy and bully newer players. no class should ahve spamable stealth that heals them and clean conditions and provide damage reduction .. Thief is a hard class to master. You are tripping right now. Stealth has massive CD's. It used to disengage fights. Every class on here has something of comparison to disengage and re-engage a fight. A lot of classes have MUCH stronger ways of doing this too. I gotta be honest. I am tired of this forum being full of people calling for Mechanics to be Removed. Learn to play the game. Whisper me in game and I will even do 1v1's with you, to teach u various engagements. Ask around HOTM for plats and legendary players to 1v1 with you on a variety of classes to help you get better. Lots of vets like teaching open minded new players. It's how I have improved. TLDR: Change your mindset from "I need to get this removed on the forum" to "I need to learn how to beat this in game." FYI - It feels really good to be received by your PvP community and get 1v1 help from someone who knows a lot more than we do. Edited August 30, 2021 by jdawgie.1835 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 22 hours ago, anjo.6143 said: Just learn to play, I love play against thieves, too easy. This. They can't 1v1 you, and as long as you're paying attention, they are not out-rotating you either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyla Jane.6138 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Make thieves stealth short like mesmer's and give them one dodge only too and less ports. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrew.3059 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 hours ago, jdawgie.1835 said: Change your mindset from "I need to get this removed on the forum" to "I need to learn how to beat this in game." It’s a strange cultural development that has arisen around MMOs, probably due to their social and interactive nature. It seems a strange impulse to blame the mechanics of the game before truly mastering them. How do these people cope with games that don’t give them (perceived) access to the developers? Chess is broken, nerf Queens! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellhunter.9675 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 16 hours ago, jdawgie.1835 said: Stealth has massive CD's. It used to disengage fights. Every class on here has something of comparison to disengage and re-engage a fight. A lot of classes have MUCH stronger ways of doing this too. This is biased. No meta or semi-meta build can compete with thief in terms of disengage or re-engage ability. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 23 hours ago, anjo.6143 said: Nobody plays deadeye How dare you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawgie.1835 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Spellhunter.9675 said: This is biased. No meta or semi-meta build can compete with thief in terms of disengage or re-engage ability. Its not biased. Actually. Or even close lol. Thief has: Hide in shadows (healing) Shadow Refuge (If you trait for it. Most good thieves will not take this they will use roll for initiative instead) Smoke Bomb (Almost always taken) Shadow Step (Always taken) That's three outside of infiltrators arrows which utilizes initiative. Thief is has regulations on this with the implementation of reveal. (Any condi damage etc will not allow stealth to take place) Mesmer: Has port and Stealth's alongside clones (Directly competing with stealth and shadow step with the assistance of clones to make it more confusing) Necro has shroud and worm (Function likes Shadow Step) along with Fear CC Warrior Full Counter Greatsword 3 Greatsword 5 Shield 5 Bull Charge Dagger 2 Dagger F1 A warrior can run around the entire map mitigating damage and kiting. Elementalist Also has teleport stone Skin Water attunement for healing while increasing kiting and mobility on the map. I could continue to go on but I just gave you four classes with three abilities each that either match or exceed thief. Your statement respectfully is incorrect. On top of all of this - Thief once nailed down will die right away. This is not anywhere close to true for the other classes I listed. Being able to move around with skill and choice is one of the core mechanics of thief. Same as Mesmer is designed specifically to confuse you. Even it were true, its supposed to be this way. Its what the thief has to offer a team. Edited August 31, 2021 by jdawgie.1835 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) On 8/29/2021 at 12:49 PM, Kuma.1503 said: Make a thief of your own, and play it until you're comfortable with the profession. Take note of what opposing players are doing to counter you. *Slaps post* This bad boy can fit so much good advice in it~ 21 minutes ago, jdawgie.1835 said: (Any condi damage etc will not allow stealth to take place) Unless you run deadly ambush / caltrops which nobody does Edited August 31, 2021 by Azure The Heartless.3261 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawgie.1835 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Unless you run deadly ambush / caltrops which nobody does Both true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatozeni.5721 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 1:19 PM, noiwk.2760 said: can you please delete stealth along with thief from the game? daredevil is just kinda kitten and stupid.. its not even fun anymore to fight someone who use stealth every 2 seconds .. rework stealth put some real cooldown on it ! its soooooooo annoying that thieves just stealth every few seconds and jump on you agian and then stealth again and again and agian even when they dont have to they stealth because they can.. get rid of it ! Is this where I ask to remove Necro's conditions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noiwk.2760 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, hatozeni.5721 said: Is this where I ask to remove Necro's conditions? everyone is asking to nerf necro right? other than scourge that is as annoying as thieve fighting any of the other necros is way easier than fighting thief .. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oslaf NA.2793 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 why would you complain about thief if you are in pvp? the nature of the game mode should be of help. you should try thieves in WvW though LUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrew.3059 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Oslaf NA.2793 said: why would you complain about thief Someone got bad-touched by a Thief in low ranked PvP or was caught alone in WvW. Either they were killed and it was frustrating, or they tried to fight back and the Thief ran away (apparently also frustrating). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellhunter.9675 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 9:00 PM, jdawgie.1835 said: disengage and re-engage a fight. A lot of classes have MUCH stronger ways of doing this too 13 hours ago, jdawgie.1835 said: has shroud 13 hours ago, jdawgie.1835 said: along with Fear CC 13 hours ago, jdawgie.1835 said: Shield 5 13 hours ago, jdawgie.1835 said: stone Skin Water attunement for healing while increasing kiting and mobility on the map. LUL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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