Lysico.4906 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 How exactly does catalyst work? Specifically the Jade bot.. I get hammer skills So you summon a bot by hitting f5 .. bot is attuned to your element and then what? Just creates a combo field? That is it? Sorry I made on, put him in PvP lobby and still not getting it Help an old gamer out.. What is "better" about them vs say the other elites.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) You need to throw the jade sphere into the *farthest trashcan with a basket, you'll get achievements for that. Edited March 28, 2022 by Zhaid Zhem.6508 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 lol.. so that bad?? Even after the patch tomorrow?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Lysico.4906 said: How exactly does catalyst work? Specifically the Jade bot.. I get hammer skills So you summon a bot by hitting f5 .. bot is attuned to your element and then what? Just creates a combo field? That is it? Sorry I made on, put him in PvP lobby and still not getting it Help an old gamer out.. What is "better" about them vs say the other elites.. You drop F5 on floor that tickle and spit boons that are worthless and is some combo field, do some fancy dance moves with finishers like blast, then gain some aura that gives some passive stats from traits. Bonus points if you do dance moves with Augment skills in correctly Attument infused F5. That's the whole e-spec, great design, right? It's superior, refreshing, enlightening, stunning, mesmerizing, fantastic, beatiful, game changing design for some people. 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeTect.5918 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Lysico.4906 said: How exactly does catalyst work? Specifically the Jade bot.. I get hammer skills So you summon a bot by hitting f5 .. bot is attuned to your element and then what? Just creates a combo field? That is it? Sorry I made on, put him in PvP lobby and still not getting it Help an old gamer out.. What is "better" about them vs say the other elites.. Okay I ll explain like u would be 5. Throw Bot (Sphere) on ground. Bot on ground not moving. Bot on ground will place field. Field is based on attunement. Field does 1 boon based on attunement. Field does some damage. Field does boon and damage on ground. Field wont move tho! Field not really good. Field bad. Feels bad. The special thing about Catalyst? Bot (Sphere). But bot is bad....sooo Catalyst = bad. *Sad noises* Now if u want to have it like u r not 5: Hope this made it somewhat clear. There is not really something special about Catalyst. The "on-aura"-traits are just a copy of tempest. And there are tons of them in Catalyst.....Catalyst doesnt even have any auras on the hammer. The only way to get the auras while on hammer is due to a trait that has a 10 sec CD. I mean thats good design. Make traits fully based around ccs and auras and dont give hammer ccs and auras. That is really something that can only happen to elementalist, ngl. 0 Synergy between traits and weapon. There also is nothing about the Energy in traits (The energy needed for Jade Sphere). Except 1 trait thats refills some energy. Catalyst is such a design massacre. I dont even have a problem with hammer on Catalyst but it has 0 synergy with traits. I mean the skills are nice (if we leave hammer 3 away) but it has too low ccs and auras to work with the traits. However the traits shouldve never been about auras in the first place, thats just the salvaged Junk of Tempest. And Jade Spheres...the Class mechanic....I cant believe THIS is the class mechanic ngl, its so underwhelming. Edited March 28, 2022 by SeTect.5918 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissarion.6509 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Core Elementalist with a sphere. That's it. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluberblasen.9684 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Vissarion.6509 said: Core Elementalist with a sphere. That's it. + without water trait because you need arkan (because arkan is always needed) And fire because fire is needed because of fire aura on fire attunement. 😊 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid.4932 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 It works by having lots and lots and lots of stat buffs, that build up gradually. Core ele has always required you to cycle through elements in rotation and this is the same. Jade bot is just a weapon skill basically, a combo field that gives stat buffs, that lets you stack stat buffs on top of your stat buffs. STATS BUFFS! Has quickness and necro tier mobility (trash). Lots of spamming instant casts between longer channels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 You use F5 while in fire, then you use that some damage boost utility, after that you use meteor shower, then new elite skill and meteor shower again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 so really bad.. Ok thanks.. won't waste a boost on one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Sphere is a bonus aoe mostly with quickness. Looks fancy, but annoying when running back and forth and no one stands in it. So mostly just some pew pew, or was pre cd nerf. Now it's an occasional disco ball. Recommend rebinding it to a different key, makes it more bearable. F5 is a horribly inconvenient key and should never be used. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alradab.5491 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 the sphere really isnt that bad! like true you cant move around and the boon duration is a little low atm. basically hit enemies to get energy. spend energy to put down aoe fields. the bot does small amounts of damage and gives boons if you stand in it. fire and air bots give offensive boons, water and earth give defensive boons. so stand in it to either to more damage or take less damage once the patch hits, hopefully the dps issues will be fixed, and fingers crossed like .25 extra seconds on the boons. like catalyst has a lot of problems but the forums kinda amplify people who are big unhappy with it, so i would still recommend just playing with it a bit and seeing if you enjoy it, especially after tomorrow's patch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Alradab.5491 said: the sphere really isnt that bad! like true you cant move around and the boon duration is a little low atm. basically hit enemies to get energy. spend energy to put down aoe fields. the bot does small amounts of damage and gives boons if you stand in it. fire and air bots give offensive boons, water and earth give defensive boons. so stand in it to either to more damage or take less damage once the patch hits, hopefully the dps issues will be fixed, and fingers crossed like .25 extra seconds on the boons. like catalyst has a lot of problems but the forums kinda amplify people who are big unhappy with it, so i would still recommend just playing with it a bit and seeing if you enjoy it, especially after tomorrow's patch I don't dislike sphere that much but it's more the pulsing nature for the boons and the now 15s cd with 5s duration that gives me a headache. Increasing the duration or reducing the cd to 10s would help imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alradab.5491 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Serephen.3420 said: I don't dislike sphere that much but it's more the pulsing nature for the boons and the now 15s cd with 5s duration that gives me a headache. Increasing the duration or reducing the cd to 10s would help imo. personally i would prefer a larger duration, because i dont like the idea of having all your energy generation going into only one kind of sphere. a shorter cooldown on the sphere incentivizes using more of your limited energy on air spheres, pushing catalyst away from its ability to be a dps class with strong defensive boons in addition to quickness. idk my biggest problems sphere wise is the lack of energy generation while a sphere is active forcing you to use hammer for its superior energy generation, and lack of readability on the UI. 19 energy looks too similar to 20 energy while also being very different because of the way that energy generation works (also that guardian symbols give more boons/tick, and have much less gating for use) Edited March 29, 2022 by Alradab.5491 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 14 hours ago, Lysico.4906 said: lol.. so that bad?? Even after the patch tomorrow?? anet needs to completely redesign hammer and jade sphere for the class to be playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: anet needs to completely redesign hammer and jade sphere for the class to be playable. Hammer will be workable outside a few tweaks, the traits/sphete probably require the most attention after this. That said op @Lysico.4906 Catalyst will be more viable after to patch tomorrow but it's not likely to be the last update to the spec. Edited March 29, 2022 by Serephen.3420 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) When I first heard of Catalysts spawning elemental orbs and having a big hammer, I thought it meant you had to 'hit the ball' and send it flying to hit foes. Edited March 29, 2022 by LucianDK.8615 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck.3697 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Lysico.4906 said: so really bad.. Ok thanks.. won't waste a boost on one I'd wait til patch notes drop and we see the full thing before boosting a Ele if catalyst is the primary reason of considering one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglebach.7593 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) As long as its F5 skill is still a targeting field, then the whole class is still a giant piece of waste matter that people often dump down their toilet. To make catalyst decent, start by making the F5 skills center around the ele and move with the player. I suspect that hammer 3 was supposed to be the class mechanic but then they ran out of idea for hammer skills and couldn’t further expand the class mechanic. Edited March 29, 2022 by Eaglebach.7593 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Eaglebach.7593 said: but then they ran out of idea for hammer skills ...and that's why it should have been mace instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooddrakkarboi.4870 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, The Boz.2038 said: ...and that's why it should have been mace instead. Tbh is was really sold on rifle, pistol, double pistol, bow or whatever... but after the hammer fiasco I would have preferred mace or even torch... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I, too, wanted a pistol. Maybe a rifle, but I didn't dare hope ANet could deliver a 20-skill weapon package, alongside an espec mechanic and six utils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooddrakkarboi.4870 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I mean they just went the lazy route: augments are basically rehashs of core utilites or shouts and the elite is like a first idea someone has on a drawing board (I mean they changed it after the first beta, so that's probably true)... Hammer 3 is the same everywhere and the mechanic is just a combo field which, unsurprisingly, hammer does have non of xd So instead of designing properly they just did a paint job and some copy and paste, only a minority of the skills feel really new and innovative... Can we get the designer for Weaver back please? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Weaver was truly Peak Design for this profession. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, The Boz.2038 said: Weaver was truly Peak Design for this profession. Weaver is such a lame spec. Only core is fun. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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