Serperior.6541 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 dosen't firebrand has the same stuff as core guardian but way more with books? then why core is meta over firebrand? it is not that i find it weird i wanted to know why 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tescao.3042 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Perhaps 5vs5 is holding back FB. As in WoW, the Death Knight is held back to some extent by the arena, on the battlefield, he begins to control mass death. (Unholly and Blood. Frost is more explosive in solo target) Edit: Maybe someone is interested. Arthas was created by the Nathrezim, the representatives of death. Arthas was unholly DK, Blood DK is the Nathrezim themselves. DKs were created from Warriors and Paladins who fell in battle. Edited May 28, 2022 by DomHemingway.8436 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyreva.1078 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Core virtues are on shorter cd and instant. FB also has to give up a core trait line (valor) which decreases it's self sustain. As a result FB can't survive when getting focused. And a dead support is a worthless support. (In WvW more stability, minstrel's gear and sheer numbers make it much easier to survive for support players, so FB is still the preferred choice there). Edited May 28, 2022 by UmbraNoctis.1907 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 There is a joke about hunting rabbits. While trying to shoot one, you shoot ahead of it by 1 meter, than behind it by the same distance... if you average those out, statistically you shot the bunny twice. I guess this is what A-net is going for with FB and scourge, as for 3 years they were absolutely SS+ tier monsters in sPvP... so here comes 3 years of absolute uselessness. If my calculations are correct(which I base on the rabbit joke, so they must be), we'll see FB rebalanced properly in 2024. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I'm pretty sure the reason is that FB support have pretty much been nerfed to the ground in sPvP after people complained that it was "OP". For example, Mantra of solace going from healing and giving aegis to your allies to... well... the joke it is right now. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancho.8750 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Bazsi.2734 said: There is a joke about hunting rabbits. While trying to shoot one, you shoot ahead of it by 1 meter, than behind it by the same distance... if you average those out, statistically you shot the bunny twice. I guess this is what A-net is going for with FB and scourge, as for 3 years they were absolutely SS+ tier monsters in sPvP... so here comes 3 years of absolute uselessness. If my calculations are correct(which I base on the rabbit joke, so they must be), we'll see FB rebalanced properly in 2024. It will be longer, Berserker was benched 2017 and it wasn't as meta as those two, it was relevant for a week after the rework but it got nerfed quite quickly, so scourge and FB popping in SPVP will have to do with some kind of rework or changes to core that somehow buff them, but Arenanet does barely any meaningful mechanical changes every 6 months supposedly, so old specs probably will stay dead in a ditch . The whole dampening meta that those two did was not exactly fun for anyone but the current surprise teleport and spam aoes kind of deserves kitten like FB/Scourge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Overly nerfed with skills that have no impact whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 FB was so overnerfed (support, damage and sustain) that in PvP without the stats available in WvW is trash; it also has to waste a traitline in "Firebrand", which doesn't benefit the support role core Guardian mostly does. Also the axe has 0 synergies with that function. So no reason to run FB. Core Guard is just better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashi.4327 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 You don‘t play Firebrand, because you lose out on too much when playing it over Core Guard. You have no more instant cast, insanely short boon durations, a mantra heal that heals for 200HP per cast on Avatar amulet and long virtue cooldowns. The actual issue is that Anet tends to overnerf specs and never actually tries to rebalance them after they kill them. Firebrand isn‘t the only example - Chrono, Berserker & Druid are as well members of that club 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) to be more specific, its cuz the accumulated nerfs to tomes and the condi cleanse mantra. to be a viable support, you need team heals and cleanse as well as self sustain. when you take firebrand, you take virtues and honor and lose valors altruistic healing which is a great self sustain tool and currently nothing in firebrand replaces the self sustain loss. Edited May 29, 2022 by Stand The Wall.6987 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) On 5/28/2022 at 6:56 AM, Serperior.6541 said: dosen't firebrand has the same stuff as core guardian but way more with books? then why core is meta over firebrand? it is not that i find it weird i wanted to know why It was, but between the nerfing of tomes, boons and mantra’s, you are better off running Valor over FB. For kittens sake, the heal mantra does not heal. Edited May 30, 2022 by otto.5684 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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