Vile.4387 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) I need stealth teleports to players with 20k damage instantly, or faceroll with every boon in the game to dive and deal damage while blocking at the same time. When do necro's get to do stuff like that? Don't tell me harbinger either, they are the most masochistic low life garbage characters in the game, needs dedicated healbot to keep me alive. When do I get stability? When do I get escapes and mobility worth using? I want to teleport around like a mexican jumping bean, then flee when I am at 25% health. Maybe I can get stealth to break line of sight, or maybe a way to detect it instead? Possibly a great way to combat those people that like to facetank all my damage, then one shot me from 1500 meters. Maybe I can go invisible and then oneshot people from stealth, or perhaps get multiple clones of me to soak up AOE attacks that tickle me anyways. Who needs damage when your entire purpose is to boonrip in zerg fights. What do I do when I am not in a zerg, and just die to everything in the game? Why does necro suck? "Necro's are pretty good." - Anet Dev Edited June 5, 2023 by Vile.4387 10 6 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Describing ~80% of Harbinger while apparently complaining that Harbinger is garbage. Nice. 15 2 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitron.7982 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, IAmNotMatthew.1058 said: Describing ~80% of Harbinger while apparently complaining that Harbinger is garbage. Nice. They get stealth? 2 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 43 minutes ago, Vile.4387 said: Don't tell me harbinger either Harbinger 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 It already is good. If you like how another class plays, play another class instead. 5 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic.1897 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 44 minutes ago, Gravitron.7982 said: They get stealth? Norn meta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedrik.3109 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 If this is spvp, condi reaper farms. Harbinger is still fine into most comps. And core necro is still very playable. If wvw roaming Harbinger dominates and core is stil serviceable. If pve ( which obviously the op is not asking but for a comprehensive take) scourge is busted and you can pump on Harb and reaper like crazy now. Necro is an attrition style of fighting. You have a larger health pool, lots of sustainability and sustained dps pressure. The classes with stealth are squishy and typically thier only way of engaging or disengaging the fight. Necro has been strong since HoT, turned into a god spec in PoF and has been strong if not out right over powered in all game modes. So I only slightly disagree... 4 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Vile.4387 said: I need stealth teleports to players with 20k damage instantly, or faceroll with every boon in the game to dive and deal damage while blocking at the same time. When do necro's get to do stuff like that? Hopefully they never get that. Anyone that believes the answer to fixing things in the game is to give them broken mechanics has NO interest in improving the quality of the game. Edited June 6, 2023 by Obtena.7952 2 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Vile.4387 said: What do I do when I am not in a zerg, and just die to everything in the game? you learn to play? I'm recking absolutely everything in WvW (in a zerg or while solo roaming). Sooner or later, I will have an entire group or even a zerg forming just to kill me. Even thieves had to bring two more just to try and kill me. and in PvE? You're kidding, right? You can decimate or face tank just about anything! 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily.1935 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not big in PvP or WvW. But Reaper and Harbinger are both pretty good right now. I'm not 100% on that since I'm hearing it second hand. As for PvE, Necromancer is doing pretty well. Harbinger is pretty strong atm, Reaper is really strong and pug friendly and Scourge is still decent for ranged fights. Ironically, I actually expect Harbinger to get nerfed in PvE soon. Primarily their quickness output because they can do with while running full Viper's. Which is something Anet has been trying to move away from. They seem to want boon supports to run some concentration through gear, which Harbinger doesn't need to do currently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 8 hours ago, Gravitron.7982 said: They get stealth? Where did I mention Harbinger would have stealth? What OP described is pretty much every profession thrown together. Remove the stealth requirement and you get Harbinger. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 11 hours ago, Vile.4387 said: I want to teleport around like a mexican jumping bean, then flee when I am at 25% health If you replace "teleport" with "leap", then this sums up my reaper playstyle in WvW. You are doing something wrong. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile.4387 Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 Its the truth. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietzen.6127 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 6:42 AM, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: you learn to play? I'm recking absolutely everything in WvW (in a zerg or while solo roaming). Sooner or later, I will have an entire group or even a zerg forming just to kill me. Even thieves had to bring two more just to try and kill me. and in PvE? You're kidding, right? You can decimate or face tank just about anything! Might I ask for your build in spvp and wvw roamning please? 🙂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 49 minutes ago, Dietzen.6127 said: Might I ask for your build in spvp and wvw roamning please? I can't do it, sorry. If I do, everyone is going to run it, and then ArenaNet will nerf it to the ground. I already see way too many Reapers popping out after a group wipe once or twice while fighting me. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Friendly reminder that anyone refusing to share their build because they made it too good and would be nerfed if it ever got out is in violation of the Ninth Commandment, or high af on copium and their own supply. 🙂 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 sowry 🥺 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietzen.6127 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: I can't do it, sorry. If I do, everyone is going to run it, and then ArenaNet will nerf it to the ground. I already see way too many Reapers popping out after a group wipe once or twice while fighting me. Lol ya oki 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefras.7314 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 11:58 AM, Dietzen.6127 said: Might I ask for your build in spvp and wvw roamning please? 🙂 Theres no secret builds for reaper, the builds for zergs are incredibly simple. Even roaming builds usually just revolve around throwing on as much dragon gear as possible and juggling around bm/cr/sr to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Nefras.7314 said: Theres no secret builds for reaper, the builds for zergs are incredibly simple. Even roaming builds usually just revolve around throwing on as much dragon gear as possible and juggling around bm/cr/sr to your liking. not really. While I use the same build for both, there is no way to beat a roaming Thief or Mesmer with Reaper unless they're trash. In such cases, you have to switch to core Necro (most will run right away). The real secret is to switch your traits, skills, gear and even specs as needed. Luckily, we have 2 gear tabs and 3 build tabs by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoWantsAHug.3186 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Not anytime soon. These upcoming changes are harsh in the craziest way possible. We're gonna be f tier for awhile boys. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowpeixera.2918 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 8:23 PM, Jedrik.3109 said: Necro is an attrition style of fighting. You have a larger health pool, lots of sustainability and sustained dps pressure. The classes with stealth are squishy and typically thier only way of engaging or disengaging the fight. Do we still pretend this is true, 10 years later? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zex Anthon.8673 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Shadowpeixera.2918 said: Do we still pretend this is true, 10 years later? Anyone who still believes this has been gaslit by the devs. Necro will always lose a battle of attrition. Pretty much any class can outsustain necro with proper play by utilizing superior mobility, raw healing, and active defenses. Necro doesnt have many ways to resustain its primary health bar on top of having to "sustain" its only active defense. You will run out of life force eventually. Meanwhile that mesmer just has to wait for its 20s invul chain to come off cooldown. 5 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruakumfd.4817 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I don't expect anybody to be an expert. I'm even side-eyeing a few replies as somebody who plays mostly PvE. However, even those are better than a post from somebody who either needs to play a Harbinger (Elixir of Ambition, anybody?) or team up with a Thief or Mesmer. On another note, how the heck are you getting steamrolled during PvE as a Necro? I get it if you're fighting in an expac zone. You can usually win, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 "Second health bar" vs extra dodges, invul frames, etc made sence in 2012, when the average damage of "a hit" was, like, four or five thousand. The invervening decade made the damage that a single invul/prot/stab/dodge/block increase by literally at least 2x, while our """"""second health bar"""""" became either our DPS resource, a barrier at half strength, or outright bloody gone. People are really high on 2012 class fantasy here when they say "oh necro has second health bar to balance it out". 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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