jokke.6239 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Seems like you will most likely be getting more revenue into the game now (hopefully) It's time to remove ecto gamblers and such from the game. You're a game with gem>gold. You are basically running a casino. It's a huge stain on the game. I would like to be able to reccommend GW to people without having this in the back of my mind. 11 3 4 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Is this some sort of jokke? 4 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokke.6239 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, phokus.8934 said: Is this some sort of jokke? Nice pun, but what makes you think it is? Edited July 21, 2023 by jokke.6239 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungrul.9358 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I'm curious to see what's going to happen to Black Lion Chests now that the UK industry has agreed to ban lootbox use for those under 18. 7 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, jokke.6239 said: Nice pun, but what makes you think it is? Well, they've just started introducing the idea of taking stuff away from you and making you buy it back. I'd say that going even more into gambling would be quite on par to that. 2 1 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vares.8457 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I don’t see a reason to remove it. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. 3 1 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokke.6239 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mungrul.9358 said: I'm curious to see what's going to happen to Black Lion Chests now that the UK industry has agreed to ban lootbox use for those under 18. I'm still no fan, but the chests aren't as bad. You have guarenteed reward now from the tokens you receive. Edited July 21, 2023 by jokke.6239 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokke.6239 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, vares.8457 said: I don’t see a reason to remove it. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. I see many reasons, Sadly not so easy for an addict to "Just stop". They are chasing dopamin hits Most addicts don't like what they're doing. As it stands, it's sad that I can't reccommend the game to someone with gambling issues. It could be an escape for those issues, but as it is now it's the opposite. Other than earning money by using unethical methods, I don't see a reason to keep it 4 2 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mungrul.9358 said: I'm curious to see what's going to happen to Black Lion Chests now that the UK industry has agreed to ban lootbox use for those under 18. I don't think that will affect GW2. It's a decision by UKIE, the industry body for UK-based games companies so it only affects companies based here, not all games sold here. There was also a government review of gambling legislation which concluded last year, but they decided not to classify loot boxes as gambling so they don't have to follow the same regulations. The only way I could see it affecting GW2 is if PEGI decided to make loot boxes part of the criteria for a 16+ or 18+ rating (GW2 is currently rated 12+) but I assume they'd need more countries to restrict it before that happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeftheWicked.3076 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Gambling is a problem when you can't progress in the game without it. So just in about almost any mmorpg that wants you to enchance your weapon to fight the dragon, except that process can destroy it. But lo and behold there are items reducing/shielding from that event in their cash shop. GW2 has no such predatory mechanics at this time. Only gambling going on is for cosmetics, and even there there are ways around it. Black lion weapon skins can be bought from other players off Trading Post. Rare cosmetics from black lion chests appear later at black lion statuette vendor, so there's your chance to get'em 100% if you're just patient. If you gamble away real life gold in GW2 that's you being a compulsive gambler, not game forcing you into anything. 4 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Ive never been fond of the idea that because person X has an issue with something no one else can have it either. 4 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mppa.3250 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) I will asume that you meant to remove ecto gambling and not the gamblers themselves and so I would like to say that I trully admire people going out of their way to think, to care and to worry about others rather than themselves and their ego. On the other hand it makes me sad to see people defending something harmful (scientifically proven) both for their personal interests and for others (vulnerable or not, kids or not, addicted or not). Truth is that recently, anet limited -by themselves- the allowed ectogambling per week (if im correct). But I would agree with you that it is still bad and that there are many ways to gamble away your gold and/or real money. Having that in mind one shouldn't recommend gw2 as a game (and i dont mean that other games are angelic, gamble free and should be recommended instead). Otherwise, what goes around comes around... Edited July 21, 2023 by Mppa.3250 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokke.6239 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mppa.3250 said: Truth is that recently, anet limited -by themselves- the allowed ectogambling per week (if im correct). Oh wow they did? That's at least something. Thanks for the info 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mppa.3250 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, jokke.6239 said: Oh wow they did? That's at least something. Thanks for the info " Game Update Notes: May 2, 2023 05/02/23—May 2 Release Notes Items All Sandstorm hands and Destabilized Ectoplasm purchases now have a daily limit of 20. " ❤️ 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Mppa.3250 said: I will asume that you meant to remove ecto gambling and not the gamblers themselves and so I would like to say that I trully admire people going out of their way to think, to care and to worry about others rather than themselves and their ego. On the other hand it makes me sad to see people defending something harmful (scientifically proven) both for their personal interests and for others (vulnerable or not, kids or not, addicted or not). Truth is that recently, anet limited -by themselves- the allowed ectogambling per week (if im correct). But I would agree with you that it is still bad and that there are many ways to gamble away your gold and/or real money. Having that in mind one shouldn't recommend gw2 as a game (and i dont mean that other games are angelic, gamble free and should be recommended instead). Otherwise, what goes around comes around... Can you name something that isn't harmful to someone? I mean there have been some pretty conclusive studies about the negative impacts of computer games and mobile devices. And I say this as someone who detests gambling in games, especially games with an age rating for kids. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokke.6239 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ashen.2907 said: Can you name something that isn't harmful to someone? I mean there have been some pretty conclusive studies about the negative impacts of computer games and mobile devices. And I say this as someone who detests gambling in games, especially games with an age rating for kids. GW2 is PEGI 12 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, jokke.6239 said: GW2 is PEGI 12 Right, and I acknowledged that in my post. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mppa.3250 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Ashen.2907 said: Can you name something that isn't harmful to someone? I mean there have been some pretty conclusive studies about the negative impacts of computer games and mobile devices. And I say this as someone who detests gambling in games, especially games with an age rating for kids. Aknowledging that there are many harmful things in our life doesnt make them less harmful because there are lots of them. Nor it means that we should feel alright with them or much more to defend them. Absense of proper and updated regulations or breaking of these surely happens in many sectors. With phones producing more radiation than its announced, with cars producing more emissions, with apps using "legally" or illegally personal data and etc. And as one shouldnt like their kid getting more than the allowed radiation, breathing higher than the allowed emissions or having their data being used for whatever reason, one shouldn't like gambling either. And if a phone can offer someone education, be a work tool or whatever other functional purpose, gambling doesnt offer that. Its there just for "fun" or to be more accurate just to take your money. Even money that you dont have. That doesnt mean that said phones are less harmful but that they just need proper regulation or higher and more strict penalties for breaking of the laws. While gambling, especially inside a game, with kids, vulnerable personalities and already addicted gamblers shouldnt even exist. Compassion is something that isnt't harmful. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronospere.8143 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Lol people are already angry about the removing of the 6th attribute on runes. Imagine what would happen to the people who's ecto gamble gizmos wont work anymore. Hahhaa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveBunnies.5730 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 They can just give Black Lion Statuette instead of the key to the chest. Black Lion Statuette is the most valuable thing in chest anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 9:21 AM, Mppa.3250 said: Aknowledging that there are many harmful things in our life doesnt make them less harmful because there are lots of them. Nor it means that we should feel alright with them or much more to defend them. Absense of proper and updated regulations or breaking of these surely happens in many sectors. With phones producing more radiation than its announced, with cars producing more emissions, with apps using "legally" or illegally personal data and etc. And as one shouldnt like their kid getting more than the allowed radiation, breathing higher than the allowed emissions or having their data being used for whatever reason, one shouldn't like gambling either. And if a phone can offer someone education, be a work tool or whatever other functional purpose, gambling doesnt offer that. Its there just for "fun" or to be more accurate just to take your money. Even money that you dont have. That doesnt mean that said phones are less harmful but that they just need proper regulation or higher and more strict penalties for breaking of the laws. While gambling, especially inside a game, with kids, vulnerable personalities and already addicted gamblers shouldnt even exist. Compassion is something that isnt't harmful. So, should we forbid John from eating a piece of cake because Sarah is diabetic? Should all social media, computer games, and the like be banned because some people can become addicted to them? Red meat...illegal because some people might choose to eat too much of it? Opposing authoriatianism and supporting individual freedom is not defending gambling. As previously mentioned I find gambling in games such as this one to be abhorrent. Attempting to deprive most people of self determination is not compassion. Doing so via force of government, which is always backed by men and women with guns, is tyranny. And compassion, the emotion, may not be harmful but actions taken because of compassion often are some of the most harmful. Ask Mao about The Great Leap Forward. 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 5:05 PM, jokke.6239 said: GW2 is PEGI 12 Older games rated PEGI 12 can keep gambling systems without being reclassified, so, technically, it is perfectly allowed. Other than that... addicted to gambling, in a game. Seriously? You can't even get anything out of it other than maybe flashier pixels on your screen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoni.7015 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 6:21 PM, Mppa.3250 said: Compassion is something that isnt't harmful. His posts indicate that he lacks it. 5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1508 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I agree i was never a fan of gambling in gaming its shady at best. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokke.6239 Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 hours ago, IAmNotMatthew.1058 said: Older games rated PEGI 12 can keep gambling systems without being reclassified, so, technically, it is perfectly allowed. Other than that... addicted to gambling, in a game. Seriously? You can't even get anything out of it other than maybe flashier pixels on your screen. If you're suggesting people can't get addicted to gambling in video games, you need to do some research. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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