Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 If you want 25 might you should have to spec into support traits/weapons/boon duration. Every build that has ever had passive 25 might has been op. Make supports give dps boons instead of being rez bots. 10 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: If you want 25 might you should have to spec into support traits/weapons/boon duration. Every build that has ever had passive 25 might has been op. Make supports give dps boons instead of being rez bots. Guard traited Zealous Scepter in Zeal traitline can reach 25 Might stacks but it's generally garbage. There has never been an OP Might stacking Guard build. What other prerequisites do you need to be OP on a Might stacking build? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) on the flip side, 25 stacks of vuln is a joke. with how many things that are jokes you would think it would be filled with laughing emotes. Edited August 3, 2023 by Infinity.2876 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Which builds are hitting 25 might without investing heavily for it currently? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, ArthurDent.9538 said: Which builds are hitting 25 might without investing heavily for it currently? Bladesworn 2 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: If you want 25 might you should have to spec into support traits/weapons/boon duration. Every build that has ever had passive 25 might has been op. Make supports give dps boons instead of being rez bots. Imagine if CMC had never removed boon duration from PvP. Suuure would be nice to have a stat to balance these boons around. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, Kuma.1503 said: Imagine if CMC had never removed boon duration from PvP. Suuure would be nice to have a stat to balance these boons around. or condition duration, so people dont whine that burn lasts 2s and does its full dmg 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: If you want 25 might you should have to spec into support traits/weapons/boon duration. 56 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Bladesworn Doesn't the meta build run ally support traits anyway? Shouts and stuff? And that trait that gives allies might? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Many specs pump out more than an average health pool in under 10 seconds even withought might, and with very few buttons pressed, 70%+ crit rate is normal, quickness, vulnerability, mass amounts of AOE cc, no ICD on CCs, slows, and immobs, but sure, focus on might? Edited August 3, 2023 by Flowki.7194 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Flowki.7194 said: Many specs pump out more than an average health pool in under 10 seconds even withought might, and with very few buttons pressed, 70%+ crit rate is normal, quickness, vulnerability, mass amounts of AOE cc, no ICD on CCs, slows, and immobs, but sure, focus on might? Might is an issue if unaddressed. A lot of overpowered builds have popped up over the years because they had consistent access to 15+ stacks at all times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enduronex.4865 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Downstate.4697 said: Might is an issue if unaddressed. A lot of overpowered builds have popped up over the years because they had consistent access to 15+ stacks at all times. YEah, that's the sort of variance people are bugged about. It slips through what limited balance testing there is because balance devs tend to only look at on-paper (Base Damage)(Percent chance non-crit) + (Base Damage)(Percent chance crit)(Ferocity) - it excludes might stacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Bladesworn Decouple warrior's sustain from might generation then we can talk about making it harder to get. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 #agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Decouple warrior's sustain from might generation then we can talk about making it harder to get But the sustain is also too much? Lol 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, bethekey.8314 said: But the sustain is also too much? Lol Depends on which variant we're talking about. Combat Stimulant having ammo and TR recharging it are a large part of BSW's sustain. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Decouple warrior's sustain from might generation then we can talk about making it harder to get. 8 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Depends on which variant we're talking about. Combat Stimulant having ammo and TR recharging it are a large part of BSW's sustain. Sounds like the sustain is already decoupled from might generation then! Nerf away boys! 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, bethekey.8314 said: Sounds like the sustain is already decoupled from might generation then! Nerf away boys! No. Bladesworn is not the whole of warrior. Be better. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: No. Bladesworn is not the whole of warrior. Be better. Right, nerf Bladesworn and maybe Berserker 🙂 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, bethekey.8314 said: Right, nerf Bladesworn and maybe Berserker 🙂 Bladesworn really. Whole thing needs to be reworked from the ground up. It is propped up by ridiculous numbers in PvE and unfair sustain interactions in PvP/WvW while at it's core is everything bad about warrior exacerbated into features. Berserker is leveraging strike damage immunity from the reworked Defense, but it is not full invulnerability like distortion is. You can still CC and condi it to death so that one is still fair. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magickthief.6492 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Saiyan.1704 said: Guard traited Zealous Scepter in Zeal traitline can reach 25 Might stacks but it's generally garbage. There has never been an OP Might stacking Guard build. What other prerequisites do you need to be OP on a Might stacking build? pretty sure might was nerfed due to guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) i think now players who cried for removal of sets like celestial and the boon duration and condition duration stats are starting to understand that everything we had in pvp was needed and the secret was to scale down the base values not make them unextendable. builds should have to make sacrifices to achieve results. Edited August 4, 2023 by SoftFootpaws.9134 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 @bethekey.8314 you hopefully mean. Nerf Bladesworns selfhealing plus sustain and gain its normal gunblades Skills somewhat of dmg. Nerf Dead or alife and make been able to go on and off Berserk baseline xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekent.3652 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 5 hours ago, bethekey.8314 said: Right, nerf Bladesworn Fixed it, if you're struggling to a berserker, you should just do better 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekent.3652 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Bladesworn Warrior only has a lot of might generation because it's basically their only boon, but blaseworn just abuses this. Bladesworn was a mistake. This is probably the result of discipline not being mandatory with this spec. Edited August 4, 2023 by Zizekent.2398 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Bladesworn But it's Bladesworn...... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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