>25K from stealth in an instant and go back to stealth instantly.

bq pd.2148 · July 18, 2018

@Swagg.9236 said:
@"MUDse.7623" said:that was WvW not spvp. the build used there you wont see in spvp because it is way to reliant on stealth wich is pretty stupid in spvp. different modes, different playstyles. you have way more time and way more space to fight in WvW. soo wrong forum.
you and your holo (with Merciless Legend title so prolly not full noob) of whom i wasnt sure if he had lock on were in your buffed camp so ofc i fought cautiously. you didnt show the malice buildup in the video that was before.

Stealth is an annoying meme mechanic as it functions in GW2, and unilaterally opens up into a huge burst chain no matter which class utilizes it. Rangers go from stealth into burst; mesmers do it; thieves do it; even engineers did it to an extent back in the day. Moreover, the most frustrating thing about playing against stealth in GW2 is how passive a stealth-user can afford to be while a target who doesn't have stealth has to constantly do guesswork throughout the entire stealth chain since re-engagement from stealth is always instantaneous if played """well""" or """correctly.""" The fact that anyone can just instantly activate perfect invisibility, linger in it for up to 20 seconds and then re-engage from range without any warning or risk to the user is a total joke of a design when framed within a player vs player encounter. Stats don't matter--not even skill matters at that point. Everything is put behind such a huge margin afforded to the guy who rolled the class with stealth, especially if that guy chooses deliberately to fight a class without it.

this all would matter if there would be a real deathmatch mode or a last man standing mode. we got only courtyard spvp map but this is not even in ranked or unranked. in any other part of the game it is not efficient to play with long stealth.going stealth instantly is just possible with a few abilities and none of them grants 20s stealth, actually only shadowrefuge with SA grants 20 seconds and is not instant. so you got to keep stacking stealth for that 20 seconds , wich again costs resources, be it some cooldowns or in case of thief initative and endurance wich will effect the fight after. further most stealth skills have a visual tell even when used from stealth and you can usually see combo fields used to stack stealth aswell to guess their position or even reveal them with reveal skills or by getting hit with a combo finisher.many people seem to dismiss that everything for stealth, be it traits, utilities or weapon skills / ini / endurance, all of it is an investment. you dont profit from it once your out of stealth so the opener better be worth the investment. that is how gw2 balances stealth. you have lot of options to go stealth, many of them can be countered but they are all of short duration. if you want long stealth you have to invest resources into stealth constantly so you will lack them once your out of stealth.

Crystal Paladin.3871 · July 18, 2018

@MUDse.7623 said:
@Swagg.9236 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:that was WvW not spvp. the build used there you wont see in spvp because it is way to reliant on stealth wich is pretty stupid in spvp. different modes, different playstyles. you have way more time and way more space to fight in WvW. soo wrong forum.
you and your holo (with Merciless Legend title so prolly not full noob) of whom i wasnt sure if he had lock on were in your buffed camp so ofc i fought cautiously. you didnt show the malice buildup in the video that was before.

Stealth is an annoying meme mechanic as it functions in GW2, and unilaterally opens up into a huge burst chain no matter which class utilizes it. Rangers go from stealth into burst; mesmers do it; thieves do it; even engineers did it to an extent back in the day. Moreover, the most frustrating thing about playing against stealth in GW2 is how passive a stealth-user can afford to be while a target who doesn't have stealth has to constantly do guesswork throughout the entire stealth chain since re-engagement from stealth is always instantaneous if played """well""" or """correctly.""" The fact that anyone can just instantly activate perfect invisibility, linger in it for up to 20 seconds and then re-engage from range without any warning or risk to the user is a total joke of a design when framed within a player vs player encounter. Stats don't matter--not even skill matters at that point. Everything is put behind such a huge margin afforded to the guy who rolled the class with stealth, especially if that guy chooses deliberately to fight a class without it.

this all would matter if there would be a real deathmatch mode or a last man standing mode. we got only courtyard spvp map but this is not even in ranked or unranked. in any other part of the game it is not efficient to play with long stealth.going stealth instantly is just possible with a few abilities and none of them grants 20s stealth, actually only shadowrefuge with SA grants 20 seconds and is not instant. so you got to keep stacking stealth for that 20 seconds , wich again costs resources, be it some cooldowns or in case of thief initative and endurance wich will effect the fight after. further most stealth skills have a visual tell even when used from stealth and you can usually see combo fields used to stack stealth aswell to guess their position or even reveal them with reveal skills or by getting hit with a combo finisher.many people seem to dismiss that everything for stealth, be it traits, utilities or weapon skills / ini / endurance, all of it is an investment. you dont profit from it once your out of stealth so the opener better be worth the investment. that is how gw2 balances stealth. you have lot of options to go stealth, many of them can be countered but they are all of short duration. if you want long stealth you have to invest resources into stealth constantly so you will lack them once your out of stealth.

Perma stealth is still unacceptable since you went stealth even after stomping that guy... How would anyone after his death be able to get a sneeze at you??? You can take out an whole army with that thing and the best thing is you can do it without a scratch unless everyone is inside a reflect bubble and totally spike trapped... This sounds ridiculous... Revealed is supposed to be the smart player's counter, but even that can be easily kicked away like a defenseless puppy with DE(not just once but twice)... Don't argue that you invest so much on stealth... If you have perma stealth and can only deal 1dmg, that is still OP... Imagine gw2 in future being overrun by DE everywhere and almost everyone ditching all professions and "guild wars" renamed to "DE wars" LOL

bq pd.2148 · July 18, 2018

@Crystal Paladin.3871 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:
@Swagg.9236 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:that was WvW not spvp. the build used there you wont see in spvp because it is way to reliant on stealth wich is pretty stupid in spvp. different modes, different playstyles. you have way more time and way more space to fight in WvW. soo wrong forum.
you and your holo (with Merciless Legend title so prolly not full noob) of whom i wasnt sure if he had lock on were in your buffed camp so ofc i fought cautiously. you didnt show the malice buildup in the video that was before.

Stealth is an annoying meme mechanic as it functions in GW2, and unilaterally opens up into a huge burst chain no matter which class utilizes it. Rangers go from stealth into burst; mesmers do it; thieves do it; even engineers did it to an extent back in the day. Moreover, the most frustrating thing about playing against stealth in GW2 is how passive a stealth-user can afford to be while a target who doesn't have stealth has to constantly do guesswork throughout the entire stealth chain since re-engagement from stealth is always instantaneous if played """well""" or """correctly.""" The fact that anyone can just instantly activate perfect invisibility, linger in it for up to 20 seconds and then re-engage from range without any warning or risk to the user is a total joke of a design when framed within a player vs player encounter. Stats don't matter--not even skill matters at that point. Everything is put behind such a huge margin afforded to the guy who rolled the class with stealth, especially if that guy chooses deliberately to fight a class without it.

this all would matter if there would be a real deathmatch mode or a last man standing mode. we got only courtyard spvp map but this is not even in ranked or unranked. in any other part of the game it is not efficient to play with long stealth.going stealth instantly is just possible with a few abilities and none of them grants 20s stealth, actually only shadowrefuge with SA grants 20 seconds and is not instant. so you got to keep stacking stealth for that 20 seconds , wich again costs resources, be it some cooldowns or in case of thief initative and endurance wich will effect the fight after. further most stealth skills have a visual tell even when used from stealth and you can usually see combo fields used to stack stealth aswell to guess their position or even reveal them with reveal skills or by getting hit with a combo finisher.many people seem to dismiss that everything for stealth, be it traits, utilities or weapon skills / ini / endurance, all of it is an investment. you dont profit from it once your out of stealth so the opener better be worth the investment. that is how gw2 balances stealth. you have lot of options to go stealth, many of them can be countered but they are all of short duration. if you want long stealth you have to invest resources into stealth constantly so you will lack them once your out of stealth.

Perma stealth is still unacceptable since you went stealth even after stomping that guy... How would anyone after his death be able to get a sneeze at you??? You can take out an whole army with that thing and the best thing is you can do it without a scratch unless everyone is inside a reflect bubble and totally spike trapped... This sounds ridiculous... Revealed is supposed to be the smart person's counter, but even that can be easily kicked away like a defenseless puppy with DE... Don't argue that you invest so much on stealth... If you have perma stealth and can only deal 1dmg, that is still OP... Imagine gw2 in future being overrun by DE everywhere and almost everyone ditching all professions and "guild wars" renamed to "DE wars" LOL

you clearly have no clue about how hard it is for a deadeye to kill someone.i mean getting people into downedstate is easy but killing them ? you better hope they walk alone.in that video above i had to wait till my shadow step is ready for an invisible portstomp to avoid an interrupt from the holo + possible reveal if he has lock on, i still wasnt in position to know if he had it or not. ontop i needed the ranger to be far enough away from the holo so he cant rez faster then i can stomp, cleaving is also no option as holo would use elixir S and then the pet would come helping to rez.and if the holo was closer i would have need the shadowstep to safely use shadowmeld or he could interrupt it so then no port stomp -> no stomp at all.no sir i cannot kill an army with this, they would have to be really disorganised to let me kill just 1 of them.

also if i have perma stealth and deal 1 damage ..who am i going to kill with that ?

why dont you do me a favor and play a stealthy deadeye and attack groups and tell me then how easily you stomped them all?

dDuff.3860 · July 18, 2018

Thats how game design works:

You take all good "complained" things from class compensating by buffing it somewhere else
Then you add all this stuff to a new elite spec, new Xpac buyers are happy with the class
After you mention that class still performs badly, you throw in more overtuned stuff (like soulbeast stuff, or deadeye rifle stuff)
After people start complain you nerf/remove all of good things from a class, compensating by buffing somewhere else.

Rinse repeat.

Actually, deadeye D/P is quite fun in sPvP mode, quickness on mark lets you stack 5 malice faster then 1 sec, which followed by stealth->backstab (>0.33 sec, cuz quickness) leads you to 13-14k backstabs = 20-22k damage on 2 sec burst. Ouch! I believe rifle is overbuffed stronger, but rifle is #%&*!

Swagg.9236 · July 18, 2018

@MUDse.7623 said:
@Crystal Paladin.3871 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:
@Swagg.9236 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:that was WvW not spvp. the build used there you wont see in spvp because it is way to reliant on stealth wich is pretty stupid in spvp. different modes, different playstyles. you have way more time and way more space to fight in WvW. soo wrong forum.
you and your holo (with Merciless Legend title so prolly not full noob) of whom i wasnt sure if he had lock on were in your buffed camp so ofc i fought cautiously. you didnt show the malice buildup in the video that was before.

Stealth is an annoying meme mechanic as it functions in GW2, and unilaterally opens up into a huge burst chain no matter which class utilizes it. Rangers go from stealth into burst; mesmers do it; thieves do it; even engineers did it to an extent back in the day. Moreover, the most frustrating thing about playing against stealth in GW2 is how passive a stealth-user can afford to be while a target who doesn't have stealth has to constantly do guesswork throughout the entire stealth chain since re-engagement from stealth is always instantaneous if played """well""" or """correctly.""" The fact that anyone can just instantly activate perfect invisibility, linger in it for up to 20 seconds and then re-engage from range without any warning or risk to the user is a total joke of a design when framed within a player vs player encounter. Stats don't matter--not even skill matters at that point. Everything is put behind such a huge margin afforded to the guy who rolled the class with stealth, especially if that guy chooses deliberately to fight a class without it.

this all would matter if there would be a real deathmatch mode or a last man standing mode. we got only courtyard spvp map but this is not even in ranked or unranked. in any other part of the game it is not efficient to play with long stealth.going stealth instantly is just possible with a few abilities and none of them grants 20s stealth, actually only shadowrefuge with SA grants 20 seconds and is not instant. so you got to keep stacking stealth for that 20 seconds , wich again costs resources, be it some cooldowns or in case of thief initative and endurance wich will effect the fight after. further most stealth skills have a visual tell even when used from stealth and you can usually see combo fields used to stack stealth aswell to guess their position or even reveal them with reveal skills or by getting hit with a combo finisher.many people seem to dismiss that everything for stealth, be it traits, utilities or weapon skills / ini / endurance, all of it is an investment. you dont profit from it once your out of stealth so the opener better be worth the investment. that is how gw2 balances stealth. you have lot of options to go stealth, many of them can be countered but they are all of short duration. if you want long stealth you have to invest resources into stealth constantly so you will lack them once your out of stealth.

Perma stealth is still unacceptable since you went stealth even after stomping that guy... How would anyone after his death be able to get a sneeze at you??? You can take out an whole army with that thing and the best thing is you can do it without a scratch unless everyone is inside a reflect bubble and totally spike trapped... This sounds ridiculous... Revealed is supposed to be the smart person's counter, but even that can be easily kicked away like a defenseless puppy with DE... Don't argue that you invest so much on stealth... If you have perma stealth and can only deal 1dmg, that is still OP... Imagine gw2 in future being overrun by DE everywhere and almost everyone ditching all professions and "guild wars" renamed to "DE wars" LOL

you clearly have no clue about how hard it is for a deadeye to kill someone.

It isn't difficult at all. Just because it isn't effective doesn't mean that it isn't maximum low effort.

Legatus.3608 · July 19, 2018

@Swagg.9236 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:
@Crystal Paladin.3871 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:
@Swagg.9236 said:
@MUDse.7623 said:that was WvW not spvp. the build used there you wont see in spvp because it is way to reliant on stealth wich is pretty stupid in spvp. different modes, different playstyles. you have way more time and way more space to fight in WvW. soo wrong forum.
you and your holo (with Merciless Legend title so prolly not full noob) of whom i wasnt sure if he had lock on were in your buffed camp so ofc i fought cautiously. you didnt show the malice buildup in the video that was before.

Stealth is an annoying meme mechanic as it functions in GW2, and unilaterally opens up into a huge burst chain no matter which class utilizes it. Rangers go from stealth into burst; mesmers do it; thieves do it; even engineers did it to an extent back in the day. Moreover, the most frustrating thing about playing against stealth in GW2 is how passive a stealth-user can afford to be while a target who doesn't have stealth has to constantly do guesswork throughout the entire stealth chain since re-engagement from stealth is always instantaneous if played """well""" or """correctly.""" The fact that anyone can just instantly activate perfect invisibility, linger in it for up to 20 seconds and then re-engage from range without any warning or risk to the user is a total joke of a design when framed within a player vs player encounter. Stats don't matter--not even skill matters at that point. Everything is put behind such a huge margin afforded to the guy who rolled the class with stealth, especially if that guy chooses deliberately to fight a class without it.

this all would matter if there would be a real deathmatch mode or a last man standing mode. we got only courtyard spvp map but this is not even in ranked or unranked. in any other part of the game it is not efficient to play with long stealth.going stealth instantly is just possible with a few abilities and none of them grants 20s stealth, actually only shadowrefuge with SA grants 20 seconds and is not instant. so you got to keep stacking stealth for that 20 seconds , wich again costs resources, be it some cooldowns or in case of thief initative and endurance wich will effect the fight after. further most stealth skills have a visual tell even when used from stealth and you can usually see combo fields used to stack stealth aswell to guess their position or even reveal them with reveal skills or by getting hit with a combo finisher.many people seem to dismiss that everything for stealth, be it traits, utilities or weapon skills / ini / endurance, all of it is an investment. you dont profit from it once your out of stealth so the opener better be worth the investment. that is how gw2 balances stealth. you have lot of options to go stealth, many of them can be countered but they are all of short duration. if you want long stealth you have to invest resources into stealth constantly so you will lack them once your out of stealth.

Perma stealth is still unacceptable since you went stealth even after stomping that guy... How would anyone after his death be able to get a sneeze at you??? You can take out an whole army with that thing and the best thing is you can do it without a scratch unless everyone is inside a reflect bubble and totally spike trapped... This sounds ridiculous... Revealed is supposed to be the smart person's counter, but even that can be easily kicked away like a defenseless puppy with DE... Don't argue that you invest so much on stealth... If you have perma stealth and can only deal 1dmg, that is still OP... Imagine gw2 in future being overrun by DE everywhere and almost everyone ditching all professions and "guild wars" renamed to "DE wars" LOL

you clearly have no clue about how hard it is for a deadeye to kill someone.

It isn't difficult at all. Just because it isn't

effective

doesn't mean that it isn't maximum low effort.

That's like saying permastealth in sPvP is too good because it requires no effort

The point is you aren't doing anything relevant to the game, effort or not

Obtena.7952 · July 19, 2018

I'm always surprised by these complaints in WvW. This is more a problem with dealing with strategy.

Nuka Cola.8520 · July 19, 2018

@Rezzet.3614 said:
@Nuka Cola.8520 said:
@megilandil.7506 said:
@"ChartFish.1308" said:My only issue with shadow meld is how it lets the DE burst from stealth then disappear again. Maybe it should be treated like elusive mind and DD dodge, "if you remove revealed using this skill add 5 sec to cooldown".

no, this kitten have to be remo9ved completely.revealed is a not universal acces way to counterplay the broken stealth mechanic and puting a counter to it is ridiculous

being more exact, stealth have to be removed or completely reworked to a non combat utility

Thief is a very very misterious class that not many people know about.

theres no mistery to thief all builds run the same thing condi = perma stealth , Power= perma stealth the exception being daredevil damage evade spam builds wich still have lengthy stealth

any of the build variants takes critical damage? stealth and shadowstep to another continent

either damage has to be toned down or stealth has to be toned down

thief being squishy is the cheapest most overused non excuse , ranger and engi are just as squishy with dps gear , the diference is engi sustain relies on protection uptime , rangers is mixed between pets and boons , you can counter engi sustain and burst them by simply boonstealing , cant do that against a thief .

I was being sarcastic lol. There is too many thief mains that will defend it to death and arguing with them is like arguing with a wall, noboday got time for that.

Crystal Paladin.3871 · July 19, 2018

@Nuka Cola.8520 said:
@Rezzet.3614 said:
@Nuka Cola.8520 said:
@megilandil.7506 said:
@"ChartFish.1308" said:My only issue with shadow meld is how it lets the DE burst from stealth then disappear again. Maybe it should be treated like elusive mind and DD dodge, "if you remove revealed using this skill add 5 sec to cooldown".