Please gut Condi Daredevil and Acro Staff Daredevil

Alatar.7364 · August 18, 2019

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@"Alatar.7364" I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
I got roughly the same amount on Necro and yet I have higher impact and overall efficiency with both Reaper and Scourge than the build you were using, which is what I ment when saying the video showed nothing out of ordinary that could not be done better by other meta builds.

No, I didn't see any won 1v2s in the video, I saw AFK 1v1s and then roflstomping a "must rez now" guy, but in case I missed some legit 1v2s then point me to them because frankly the only stuff that mildly resembled 1v2 was just double 1v1Bot (honest question no offense ment, we are talking just about the build after all).

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at.
I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam
It also seems like you guys forget
the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it
. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.

I know you are not saying that, didn't even think of it that way, I am just saying DA doesn't apply too much poison which brings me directly to your second line about "the idea of stopping the power creep", I posted a reply to you not long ago where I described what I think could be wrong and a number of fixes to that along with explanation why DA can't be an issue and should never be nerfed further regarding poison application.

Alatar.7364 · August 18, 2019

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Safandula.8723 It is the Staff Condi, but with a Pistol over Staff. If I had been running Staff, it just allows me to troll nodes longer, build up endurance faster = more sustain while staying engaged. I didn't deem Staff as worth it while running condi, which is why I started using Pistol. It seems to already have plenty of sustain.

That is just not true, building up endurance with staff assumes you did not already waste all your ini on Choking Gas which in turn means that if you didn't do that you actually didnt deliver any Condi dmg which the build revolves around and therfore did no dmg.

PS: Sorry for double post, was too lazy to put that in my other post.

Trevor Boyer.6524 · August 19, 2019

@Alatar.7364

Except the build I am running would kill any necro build in a 1v1 and a hold a node under the necro while doing it. We can go record some 1v1s if you would like, or record some 1v1s against w/e class you want to duel this DD build with, if 1v1 footage & performance is all that anyone cares about. Saying that Necro is doing the same thing with higher performance is not true. The Necro is a sitting duck when focused whereas the Thief can disengage & survive. The Necro cannot out rotate, whereas the Thief can still get around the map and + or out rotate. Where a Necro is the worst 1v1 class in the game, this Condi DD is one of the strongest. The only thing a Necro has over this build is AoE Boon removal and Barriers.

You're commenting on the video/build when you clearly did not watch even half of it, as indicated by asking me to timestamp where the 1v2s are at. Sort of like the guy who said there weren't enough 1v1s in the video. Just watch the video to answer your own questions, that's why I took the time to make it.

And this:

@Alatar.7364 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@"Safandula.8723" It is the Staff Condi, but with a Pistol over Staff. If I had been running Staff, it just allows me to troll nodes longer,
build up endurance faster = more sustain while staying engaged.
I didn't deem Staff as worth it while running condi, which is why I started using Pistol. It seems to already have plenty of sustain.

That is just not true, building up endurance with staff assumes you did not already waste all your ini on Choking Gas which in turn means that if you didn't do that you actually didnt deliver any Condi dmg which the build revolves around and therfore did no dmg.

PS: Sorry for double post, was too lazy to put that in my other post.

Why would I waste my init on Choking Gas if I was choosing to hold & troll a node during a particular play? Burning init on Choking Gas is for when you're safe and don't need Staff side for 1v2+ trolling. Running Staff/Shortbow just allows a swap in job role. That's what it's doing. Staff for bunker play, Shortbow for team fights. And actually, the condis on dodge rolls hits much much more easily than Bound damage and procs the DA poison effects with it. Staff Condi will get you over time due to this, whereas a straight Power Staff is easy to counter play Vaults & Bounds. As I said before, this build is doing exactly what old HoT Bunker Druids did, and that's troll 1v2 while killing players with attrition through frequent poison procs. A good player can completely mitigate the damage off of Power Staff due to telegraphs. A Power Staff has to actually get aggressive with you if it wants to deal damage, which makes it vulnerable to counter CC when he goes in. A Staff Condi however, can save everything for defensive play action, and easily pound you with attrition while doing it due to Impaling Lotus & DA poison effects. For a player to potentially hit the Condi Staff, it has to stand still and use animations to do it, which means the Condi Staff can simply "dodge" when a player goes in to do this, and deal it's Impaling Lotus damage immediately upon activation of the dodge roll, rather than at the end of it like with Bound, which is very easily avoided.

Look, I'm not trying to make an ultimate statement about some definitive status on Staff Condi or Condi DD in general. Even in the beginning of the video I clearly mention It's a beta test, and I've mentioned how the performance of the build is debatable in higher tiers, but definitely the lowest skill floor entry build in the game. What irks me is how some people are trying hard to disclaim things that I've been going out of my way to "Actually play test", when I know that certain things I am stating right now, are facts about how this build functions.

But it's w/e, to each his own. ~ Cheers

babazhook.6805 · August 19, 2019

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Alatar.7364 I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
@"babazhook.6805" You keep focusing your argument on things that are simply not true or that are almost entirely ignorant. Example: Now you're saying: "I see Choking gas field I get out of the gas field just as I would any other field. Why is that so hard to do? If the person shown facing the Staff thiff could not b bothered to dodge , to move out of the field or use other mitigation measures other then stand in the field it is on him." As if it didn't once occur to you, "How do you hit the Thief if you are always standing outside of Choking Gas Fields?" Well I guess you had better be a Ranger or a Deadeye if you want to stay out of those Choking Gas Fields and still have kill opportunity vs. the Condi Daredevil. As far as not featuring too many 1v1s, not sure what you're talking about. There are plenty in that video, including 1v2s. And yeah, that build is a Thief team fight build. That's kind of the point of it my good knowledgeable bro.
@"Crab Fear.1624" lol, it's a good meme. But you can't really apply that to my situation here, where I have been playing this build for the past week. I'm not just talking about this from the standpoint of vs. it. I'm giving this feedback from the standpoint of playing as it. For all of the expertise I possess within the spectrum of Ranger builds over the course of 8,000 games or so, I am able to log into this Condi Daredevil and easily play & keep up at my account wide MMR level, with absolutely no problems at all. I'm starting to wonder if I am stronger on this build, than I am on any Ranger build. Of course this isn't because "I somehow possess amazing natural skill on a Thief" no, it's because this Daredevil build's attribute tied strengths are much stronger than any build Ranger has to offer right now.
I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at. I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam.
It also seems like you guys forget the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.

You hit the thief standing in a choking gas field the same way you hit a scourge standing in his field or the same way you hit a DH standing on traps. Area denial is part of the game. All classes have skills that allow some form of area denial via the use of AOE. The thief compared to those other classes has far fewer of the same. I do not consider myself entitled to stand in a scourges field at melee and come out ahead. I do not know why you feel you are entitled to stand in a Choking gas field.

While I do not PVP and stay in WvW we deal with the same issues and at choke points especially an area can be made all but impossible to pass through due to all the fields lair down. Few of these belong to thief. I do not expect to enter the field and fight at melee when I see them.

Trevor Boyer.6524 · August 19, 2019

@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Alatar.7364 I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
@babazhook.6805 You keep focusing your argument on things that are simply not true or that are almost entirely ignorant. Example: Now you're saying:
"I see Choking gas field I get out of the gas field just as I would any other field. Why is that so hard to do? If the person shown facing the Staff thiff could not b bothered to dodge , to move out of the field or use other mitigation measures other then stand in the field it is on him."
As if it didn't once occur to you, "How do you hit the Thief if you are always standing outside of Choking Gas Fields?" Well I guess you had better be a Ranger or a Deadeye if you want to stay out of those Choking Gas Fields and still have kill opportunity vs. the Condi Daredevil. As far as not featuring too many 1v1s, not sure what you're talking about. There are plenty in that video, including 1v2s. And yeah, that build is a Thief team fight build. That's kind of the point of it my good knowledgeable bro.
@"Crab Fear.1624" lol, it's a good meme. But you can't really apply that to my situation here, where I have been playing this build for the past week. I'm not just talking about this from the standpoint of vs. it. I'm giving this feedback from the standpoint of playing as it. For all of the expertise I possess within the spectrum of Ranger builds over the course of 8,000 games or so, I am able to log into this Condi Daredevil and easily play & keep up at my account wide MMR level, with absolutely no problems at all. I'm starting to wonder if I am stronger on this build, than I am on any Ranger build. Of course this isn't because "I somehow possess amazing natural skill on a Thief" no, it's because this Daredevil build's attribute tied strengths are much stronger than any build Ranger has to offer right now.
I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at. I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam.
It also seems like you guys forget the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.

I do not know why you feel you are entitled to stand in a Choking gas field.

I don't know why you feel you are entitled to being able to dodge a player who knows how to aim.

Go watch the first match in the video, count it for yourself. 39 Choking Gas attacks are cast, and only 5 of them miss their target.

If you want to prove me wrong, let's do some 1v1s so you can demonstrate for me this Piccolo like mastery of dodging you seem to possess. I would be sincerely interested to learn more about this.

Psycoprophet.8107 · August 19, 2019

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Alatar.7364 I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
@babazhook.6805 You keep focusing your argument on things that are simply not true or that are almost entirely ignorant. Example: Now you're saying:
"I see Choking gas field I get out of the gas field just as I would any other field. Why is that so hard to do? If the person shown facing the Staff thiff could not b bothered to dodge , to move out of the field or use other mitigation measures other then stand in the field it is on him."
As if it didn't once occur to you, "How do you hit the Thief if you are always standing outside of Choking Gas Fields?" Well I guess you had better be a Ranger or a Deadeye if you want to stay out of those Choking Gas Fields and still have kill opportunity vs. the Condi Daredevil. As far as not featuring too many 1v1s, not sure what you're talking about. There are plenty in that video, including 1v2s. And yeah, that build is a Thief team fight build. That's kind of the point of it my good knowledgeable bro.
@"Crab Fear.1624" lol, it's a good meme. But you can't really apply that to my situation here, where I have been playing this build for the past week. I'm not just talking about this from the standpoint of vs. it. I'm giving this feedback from the standpoint of playing as it. For all of the expertise I possess within the spectrum of Ranger builds over the course of 8,000 games or so, I am able to log into this Condi Daredevil and easily play & keep up at my account wide MMR level, with absolutely no problems at all. I'm starting to wonder if I am stronger on this build, than I am on any Ranger build. Of course this isn't because "I somehow possess amazing natural skill on a Thief" no, it's because this Daredevil build's attribute tied strengths are much stronger than any build Ranger has to offer right now.
I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at. I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam.
It also seems like you guys forget the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.

I do not know why you feel you are entitled to stand in a Choking gas field.

I don't know why you feel you are entitled to being able to dodge a player who knows how to aim.

Go watch the first match in the video, count it for yourself. 39 Choking Gas attacks are cast, and only 5 of them miss their target.

If you want to prove me wrong, let's do some 1v1s so you can demonstrate for me this Piccolo like mastery of dodging you seem to possess. I would be sincerely interested to learn more about this.

I just want to clarify ur first statement. U feel that if someone knows how to aim their opponent should not be entitled to have the ability to dodge the attack? I would hope u were meaning something far different than that and I just miss understood the point.

saerni.2584 · August 19, 2019

Not sure about these condi DD but a lot of players can’t seem to fight them...

Most of them die though if you know how they work though...

babazhook.6805 · August 19, 2019

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Alatar.7364 I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
@babazhook.6805 You keep focusing your argument on things that are simply not true or that are almost entirely ignorant. Example: Now you're saying:
"I see Choking gas field I get out of the gas field just as I would any other field. Why is that so hard to do? If the person shown facing the Staff thiff could not b bothered to dodge , to move out of the field or use other mitigation measures other then stand in the field it is on him."
As if it didn't once occur to you, "How do you hit the Thief if you are always standing outside of Choking Gas Fields?" Well I guess you had better be a Ranger or a Deadeye if you want to stay out of those Choking Gas Fields and still have kill opportunity vs. the Condi Daredevil. As far as not featuring too many 1v1s, not sure what you're talking about. There are plenty in that video, including 1v2s. And yeah, that build is a Thief team fight build. That's kind of the point of it my good knowledgeable bro.
@"Crab Fear.1624" lol, it's a good meme. But you can't really apply that to my situation here, where I have been playing this build for the past week. I'm not just talking about this from the standpoint of vs. it. I'm giving this feedback from the standpoint of playing as it. For all of the expertise I possess within the spectrum of Ranger builds over the course of 8,000 games or so, I am able to log into this Condi Daredevil and easily play & keep up at my account wide MMR level, with absolutely no problems at all. I'm starting to wonder if I am stronger on this build, than I am on any Ranger build. Of course this isn't because "I somehow possess amazing natural skill on a Thief" no, it's because this Daredevil build's attribute tied strengths are much stronger than any build Ranger has to offer right now.
I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at. I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam.
It also seems like you guys forget the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.

I do not know why you feel you are entitled to stand in a Choking gas field.

I don't know why you feel you are entitled to being able to dodge a player who knows how to aim.

Go watch the first match in the video, count it for yourself. 39 Choking Gas attacks are cast, and only 5 of them miss their target.

If you want to prove me wrong, let's do some 1v1s so you can demonstrate for me this Piccolo like mastery of dodging you seem to possess. I would be sincerely interested to learn more about this.

You still do not get it. Choking gas adds all of one stack of poison . It only adds more if the person stands in the field. A Thief can certainly do a whirl in that field to add more poison via bolts but these can be dodged and avoided and have limted range. Manifest sand shade is a necro skill that will add as many stacks and more of torment and it not really any different then a choking gas field. How do YOU dodge sand shade? Desert shroud using the same sort of mechanics pulsing more conditions if you remain in the field. Again why do you feel the need to single out a thief skill that does much the same?

Now to the Daze portion of Choking Gas. This only kicks in when the person has 5 stacks of poison on him. In other words if you want to stand in that field and take ever more stacks, you will get the interrupt daze. You do not even have to dodge out of the field. Walk and you can generally get out of it before the second app of poison. It is a static field and unlike those sand shades does not move around with the thief.

You have quite a lengthy history of calling for a nerf to thief every few months this generally in knee jerk fashion after you run into a build you have issues with and do not want to take the time to understand how it works.

Trevor Boyer.6524 · August 19, 2019

@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Alatar.7364 I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
@babazhook.6805 You keep focusing your argument on things that are simply not true or that are almost entirely ignorant. Example: Now you're saying:
"I see Choking gas field I get out of the gas field just as I would any other field. Why is that so hard to do? If the person shown facing the Staff thiff could not b bothered to dodge , to move out of the field or use other mitigation measures other then stand in the field it is on him."
As if it didn't once occur to you, "How do you hit the Thief if you are always standing outside of Choking Gas Fields?" Well I guess you had better be a Ranger or a Deadeye if you want to stay out of those Choking Gas Fields and still have kill opportunity vs. the Condi Daredevil. As far as not featuring too many 1v1s, not sure what you're talking about. There are plenty in that video, including 1v2s. And yeah, that build is a Thief team fight build. That's kind of the point of it my good knowledgeable bro.
@"Crab Fear.1624" lol, it's a good meme. But you can't really apply that to my situation here, where I have been playing this build for the past week. I'm not just talking about this from the standpoint of vs. it. I'm giving this feedback from the standpoint of playing as it. For all of the expertise I possess within the spectrum of Ranger builds over the course of 8,000 games or so, I am able to log into this Condi Daredevil and easily play & keep up at my account wide MMR level, with absolutely no problems at all. I'm starting to wonder if I am stronger on this build, than I am on any Ranger build. Of course this isn't because "I somehow possess amazing natural skill on a Thief" no, it's because this Daredevil build's attribute tied strengths are much stronger than any build Ranger has to offer right now.
I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at. I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam.
It also seems like you guys forget the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.

I do not know why you feel you are entitled to stand in a Choking gas field.

I don't know why you feel you are entitled to being able to dodge a player who knows how to aim.

Go watch the first match in the video, count it for yourself. 39 Choking Gas attacks are cast, and only 5 of them miss their target.

If you want to prove me wrong, let's do some 1v1s so you can demonstrate for me this Piccolo like mastery of dodging you seem to possess. I would be sincerely interested to learn more about this.

You still do not get it. Choking gas adds all of one stack of poison . It only adds more if the person stands in the field. A Thief can certainly do a whirl in that field to add more poison via bolts but these can be dodged and avoided and have limted range. Manifest sand shade is a necro skill that will add as many stacks and more of torment and it not really any different then a choking gas field. How do YOU dodge sand shade? Desert shroud using the same sort of mechanics pulsing more conditions if you remain in the field. Again why do you feel the need to single out a thief skill that does much the same?

Now to the Daze portion of Choking Gas. This only kicks in when the person has 5 stacks of poison on him. In other words if you want to stand in that field and take ever more stacks, you will get the interrupt daze. You do not even have to dodge out of the field. Walk and you can generally get out of it before the second app of poison. It is a static field and unlike those sand shades does not move around with the thief.

Again, you're speaking to me as if I was the one who didn't understand what was going on, regardless of having played this build consistently over the course of the past week.

If you read what Deadly Arts was doing, you' understand why people don't need to stand in the Choking Gas for the AoE daze to take place.

babazhook.6805 · August 19, 2019

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
@babazhook.6805 said:
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:@Alatar.7364 I think you're undervaluing the idea here that I am able to do what I am doing in the video, as a someone who doesn't play Thief, ever. The 160 or so games I have played on Thief is over the course of 7 years. In maybe the past week, I've played about 15 to 20 games on Thief while practicing that build and that's it. If I were an actual Thief player, I could wield this build to a much stronger degree. I guess that's what I was pointing out with the video. Also, what people are running for Staff/Condi, but they switch Pulm Impact for the 1 trait, which does +240 power with a staff. I also don't think you watched the video very closely. There are two parts where I win 1v2s easily without being hit at all. On other classes, this is difficult to do and requires a high level of skill, even against gold 3 opponents. But on this Daredevil build, you can pretty much play 100% defensively and kill 2 players with attrition alone, even if you suck on the class.
@babazhook.6805 You keep focusing your argument on things that are simply not true or that are almost entirely ignorant. Example: Now you're saying:
"I see Choking gas field I get out of the gas field just as I would any other field. Why is that so hard to do? If the person shown facing the Staff thiff could not b bothered to dodge , to move out of the field or use other mitigation measures other then stand in the field it is on him."
As if it didn't once occur to you, "How do you hit the Thief if you are always standing outside of Choking Gas Fields?" Well I guess you had better be a Ranger or a Deadeye if you want to stay out of those Choking Gas Fields and still have kill opportunity vs. the Condi Daredevil. As far as not featuring too many 1v1s, not sure what you're talking about. There are plenty in that video, including 1v2s. And yeah, that build is a Thief team fight build. That's kind of the point of it my good knowledgeable bro.
@"Crab Fear.1624" lol, it's a good meme. But you can't really apply that to my situation here, where I have been playing this build for the past week. I'm not just talking about this from the standpoint of vs. it. I'm giving this feedback from the standpoint of playing as it. For all of the expertise I possess within the spectrum of Ranger builds over the course of 8,000 games or so, I am able to log into this Condi Daredevil and easily play & keep up at my account wide MMR level, with absolutely no problems at all. I'm starting to wonder if I am stronger on this build, than I am on any Ranger build. Of course this isn't because "I somehow possess amazing natural skill on a Thief" no, it's because this Daredevil build's attribute tied strengths are much stronger than any build Ranger has to offer right now.
I think you guys sometimes take it the wrong way when I'm providing everyone something to look at. I'm not saying "nerf thief into the ground" but I am saying that Deadly Arts is pumping out too much poison spam.
It also seems like you guys forget the idea of stopping the power creep instead of increasing it. What we needed was nerfs to what was already acknowledged as OP, not more super buffs.