Suggestion: Lock BG in T4 as motivation for servers to win

[TinkTinkPOOF.9201]

@Doug.4930 said:

@"Kylden Ar.3724" said:How about we try a wild idea,

ANET actually delivers on Alliances like promised almost 2 years ago!

Does anyone actually believe that alliances are a thing? Im 99% convinced that anet just spouted some nonsense to keep players from leaving the game. I am yet to be convinced that even to this day that they've ACTUALLY started working on any sort of population restructuring. I mean surely they'd have some kind of draft on how it's gonna work? Maybe they could ask for feedback? It's far more likely that anet have just lied about working on alliances. 2 Years and nothing solid to show for it? I'm not buying it.

One of the devs already told us back then when it was first brought up that literary, almost everything needed for Alliances to work, already exists in the game with current matching, world linking and mega server ability. They said they just didn't want to release it "without data", meaning they wanted to make sure it was balanced in population etc and needed to study servers etc. However, I think that was just a way to dangle a carrot in front of everyone, as WvW and servers are not new, and they would already have years worth of data points on population and server balance etc etc. and now they have yet another 2 years of data on top of that.

Needless to say, like you, I also think nothing has been done on the mode, as anet even admitted everything was in place and it required little work/changes to the current ability of the game. Yet it takes 2 years, and then after people start getting mad and leaving the game and the forums become super toxic (understandably) any time WvW updates are talked about, and their only response is that they are "working on it" but don't feel ready to even discuss it yet. To me that says, "we have not even touched the idea since it was first brought up, but people are getting mad at us now and we need to say something."

[Black Frog.9274]

On Saturday, I participated in the "defense" of the EBG starting keep. We couldn't muster more than about 10 to 15 people. Whatever it is you think BG is like, it's what it used to be like.As for "blob gate," I see plenty of blobs on Tarnished , SoS, and Ferguson.

[BassHunteR.7246]

i have read some really baD ideas on this forum...but this one... just stabilished a whole new level of stupidity

[Strider Pj.2193]

@"Black Frog.9274" said:On Saturday, I participated in the "defense" of the EBG starting keep. We couldn't muster more than about 10 to 15 people. Whatever it is you think BG is like, it's what it used to be like.As for "blob gate," I see plenty of blobs on Tarnished , SoS, and Ferguson.

BG has coverage. Prime time NA, their numbers are no more that, and at times less than the other servers.

But within ‘off hours’? No one currently rivals their 24 hr coverage.

[Blockhead Magee.3092]

Alliances should end these threads

[Strider Pj.2193]

@Blockhead Magee.3092 said:Alliances should end these threads

Maybe.,, but it’ll just be ‘lock the s__ters alliance’ in T4 thread.

[Bigpapasmurf.5623]

TBH looking at these threads, it appears the best thing to do is for Anet to re-adjust the WvW player caps. Look at the top 3 server group #'s, then the bottom 3 and meet somewhere in the middle. Some servers will have a bit lower numbers, some may have some higher.

[L A T I O N.8923]

@"Black Frog.9274" said:On Saturday, I participated in the "defense" of the EBG starting keep. We couldn't muster more than about 10 to 15 people. Whatever it is you think BG is like, it's what it used to be like.As for "blob gate," I see plenty of blobs on Tarnished , SoS, and Ferguson.

Ferguson blob? You mean that one EU commander in the weekends..the sea commander who tags twice or the red bl commander on reset?

Lol

[Adamsdjr.1350]

I'm on FA and when we're in tier 1 we play on reset then disappear because it's just pointless. I can't even imagine how hard tier 4 would give up lol

[KeyOrion.9506]

@Doug.4930 said:

@"Kylden Ar.3724" said:How about we try a wild idea,

ANET actually delivers on Alliances like promised almost 2 years ago!

Does anyone actually believe that alliances are a thing? Im 99% convinced that anet just spouted some nonsense to keep players from leaving the game. I am yet to be convinced that even to this day that they've ACTUALLY started working on any sort of population restructuring. I mean surely they'd have some kind of draft on how it's gonna work? Maybe they could ask for feedback? It's far more likely that anet have just lied about working on alliances. 2 Years and nothing solid to show for it? I'm not buying it.

It's a little HARD to implement an idea when your damn programming team was LAYED OFF. Anet had to dismantle all their side work, and focus on four areas of GW2. If and when things become available it's going to have to take time. And if anet is working along the idea is "launch when it's outstanding"...then your looking at a three year timetable.

[Sleepwalker.1398]

Tier 2 is interesting this week.A certain server has already began tanking.

[Grim West.3194]

Just lock BG permanently. They should have done that years ago. Clueless and inept.

[arielwind.8921]

It's not only a problem of BG, but all of PPT servers. Please let fight each other with fight server(high K/D ratio in NA prime time). And let the ppt servers fight each other for themselves. ArenaNet should focus on more North America prime time server balance. It's worse and boring than PvE to fight with ppt servers.

[omgnoob.7860]

@LordTemujin.5498 said:BG ? isint that server dead ? we wiped the floor with them for all the time we were on same Tier... Unless Cookie is back? They pose no threat at all. No need to do anything special with them... they lost their most powerfull guilds. Unless they blob a map queue which they specialise in.

the onlly reason you wipe the floor with them is because you outnumber them 15 to 1 lol. in a fair fight you'd get your butt whooped.

[KeyOrion.9506]

Like I said, they are not FIGHT SERVERS. They are FIGHT GUILDS. Give them their god damned GvG, so we can get back to WvW.

[Iozeph.5617]

@BassHunteR.7246 said:i have read some really baD ideas on this forum...but this one... just stabilished a whole new level of stupidity

Stick around. One of the officially 'proposed' changes is bound to get us even lower. #Don'tStopBelieving

[sostronk.8167]

I prefer the idea of moving BG to EU servers. That would be intriguing.

[Deathless.6102]

I have never understood the mentality of not wanting to get to T1 to avoid BG.. I love the challenge. When you go against their blob and actually win the fight its a very satisfying feeling.

[Thornwolf.9721]

This comes down to the population of the game having dwindled significantly at least in terms of WvW and PvP. The neglect of A-net has pushed tons of people away and so blackgate has become a huge server because there is no one else left, tons of guilds have left. In reality what they need to do is just find a way to split the population equally until all the servers are High, and then make a new one due to need. As it stands now any and all low servers should be merged together, leave the medium pop servers alone but the lower tier population servers should be consolidated to make up for the dwindled pop.

You don't see it because of the mega- server but the fact is the population of the game is not doing so hot, less so now it seems than a good three or four months ago.

[EremiteAngel.9765]

I'm a little surprised by the past week's results.But SoS/JQ worked really hard and managed to get 1st place in Tier 1.I guess this can serve as an example that we do not need to be afraid of being in Tier 1.And the fights have been pretty fun at most hours.

[Doug.4930]

@EremiteAngel.9765 said:I'm a little surprised by the past week's results.But SoS/JQ worked really hard and managed to get 1st place in Tier 1.I guess this can serve as an example that we do not need to be afraid of being in Tier 1.And the fights have been pretty fun at most hours.

BG are tanking. without a link their ability to karma train has been reduced. They still can beat every other server without a link, but again they can't ktrain as well.

Anet better not fall for this ploy. Best thing they can do is quarantine BG and keep it locked/FULL for a minimum of six months regardless how far they continue to fall.

Either two things would happen.

1. BG players would be unwilling to wait 6 months to have their complete coverage dominance restored and will return to WvW and rise back the top, albiet with less complete dominance than they would with a link.OR
2. BG as we know it dies as players transfer to other servers.

Both of these options are a win for the game, though I'd argue number 2 is the best option. Either way it beats anet falling for BG's ploy and giving them a link so they can get back to winning by 50+ victory points each week.

[Bigpapasmurf.5623]

Kinda makes you wonder if BG, as a server, is the biggest reason why there's no WvW tourneys?

[Strider Pj.2193]

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Kinda makes you wonder if BG, as a server, is the biggest reason why there's no WvW tourneys?

If you mean because it caused a coordinated 2 v 1 in tournaments from JQ and TC? This burning out a large number of all three server commanders?

Prolly not.

[Bigpapasmurf.5623]

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said:Kinda makes you wonder if BG, as a server, is the biggest reason why there's no WvW tourneys?

If you mean because it caused a coordinated 2 v 1 in tournaments from JQ and TC? This burning out a large number of all three server commanders?

Prolly not.

More of a "BG would dominate all servers due to server stacking unless all servers specifically work against them by forming alliances"

[Strider Pj.2193]

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Kinda makes you wonder if BG, as a server, is the biggest reason why there's no WvW tourneys?

If you mean because it caused a coordinated 2 v 1 in tournaments from JQ and TC? This burning out a large number of all three server commanders?

Prolly not.

More of a "BG would dominate all servers due to server stacking unless all servers specifically work against them by forming alliances"

Currently? Absolutely. And it’s good to see that happening in T-1 the last couple of weeks.

But during the tourney? Heh..

Was on TC at the time, and our guild refused to play along with the ‘don’t attack JQ’ theme.

You’d be surprised (actually you probably wouldn’t be) how our own server was reporting our position to JQ, with the larger TC blobs standing down.

Was funny actually. Especially when one particular JQ guild whose leader is ‘beloved’ to this day still was getting wiped by us..

But yeah..