Lord of the Fire.6870 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 7 hours ago, Infusion.7149 said: What I wrote is not hypothetical, you're theorizing 10% per thread when that isn't the case as seen with those applications mentioned in the study which have far more financial resources at their disposal. Anyone that overclocks (Intel or AMD) knows you will hit lower clocks on AVX2 than SSE or AVX. In fact, Intel CPUs stuck on 14nm process are rather bad with this since if your cooling is stock or not water you will drop over 10% of your clocks. That's why we have AVX offsets. see https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-9900k/18.htmlhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-10700k/20.htmlhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-11700kf/23.html You do know that 10% gain for them to implement is basically not worthwhile right? It's 10% total, not per core. Don't conflate threading with vectorization, because your gain is mostly going to come from threading. A good example is the Last of Us Remaster engine rework: https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1022186/Parallelizing-the-Naughty-Dog-Engine Threading is something they've been working on for a while but some things are inherently serial in nature. Due to amdahl's law it is highly unlikely to scale well past six cores as a result. Well I simply said you can do it the lazy way there is no much work to be done if the compiler agrees with you. The point is the problem isn't new and well known so there are automatic solution at this point in time. If people want to know far you really can drive this can see this here :(all 3 parts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 The point is , hypothetical (more theory) vs actual. Do you know even last year when CERN (the research center working on large hadron collider) queried their CPUs in use, only 61.5% have the avx2 flag?https://indico.cern.ch/event/883512/contributions/3722989/attachments/1978627/3294056/20200130-WLCGOpsCoord-AVX2collection_jschovan.pdfhttps://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LCG/WLCGOpsMinutes200130 Quote The Worldwide LHC Computing Grid (WLCG) project is a global collaboration of around 170 computing centres in more than 40 countries, linking up national and international grid infrastructures. The mission of the WLCG project is to provide global computing resources to store, distribute and analyse the ~50-70 Petabytes of data expected every year of operations from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN on the Franco-Swiss border. Meanwhile you're proposing they implement it on a 9 year old game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr.5382 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Zuldari.3940 said: So wait is this for windows or linux? because i thought DXVK didnt work on win10 It works fabulously (and better and faster than d912pxy) on my Windows 10 computer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Zuldari.3940 said: So wait is this for windows or linux? because i thought DXVK didnt work on win10 It's not officially supported on Windows and Linux uses Fossilize to prebuild shader cache. Other than that it is usable and still faster and more stable than d912pxy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHubris.1096 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Our whining paid off, everyone! https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/arenanet-studio-update-july-2021/ Quote Client Performance Optimization We’ve heard you loud and clear—Guild Wars 2 needs better frame rates. We agree. We’re actively working on upgrading our engine to DirectX 11, and we expect to be able to roll it out in an opt-in beta later this year. An important note is that the upgrade to DX11 itself isn’t a magical fix for frame rates on its own. Some players may not notice a difference at all. However, upgrading to DX11 opens a lot of doors for improving performance—CPU multithreading for instance. It also paves the way for some potential graphics upgrades down the road. We’re investing in our infrastructure, engine, and graphics because we’re looking to the future. This is a long-term effort. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blppt.6042 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I mean, anything is an upgrade to DX9, but why not take the performance benefits of DX12 vs DX11 and recompile for that API instead? ESPECIALLY for AMD Radeon users---I realize Nvidia doesn't get a whole lot of bump from 11>12 due to their fantastically optimized DX11 driver, but AMD's cards favor DX12. They can always just offer a selectable DX9/DX12 mode like WoW (which even supports Mac Metal, lol), if they're that afraid of losing pre-win 10 customers. Heck, Win 11 is coming out in supposedly a few months. If this is really such a huge undertaking, why not go for the latest API, since its been out for 5-6 years now? Or, better yet, use Vulkan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, blppt.6042 said: I mean, anything is an upgrade to DX9, but why not take the performance benefits of DX12 vs DX11 and recompile for that API instead? ESPECIALLY for AMD Radeon users---I realize Nvidia doesn't get a whole lot of bump from 11>12 due to their fantastically optimized DX11 driver, but AMD's cards favor DX12. They can always just offer a selectable DX9/DX12 mode like WoW (which even supports Mac Metal, lol), if they're that afraid of losing pre-win 10 customers. Heck, Win 11 is coming out in supposedly a few months. If this is really such a huge undertaking, why not go for the latest API, since its been out for 5-6 years now? Or, better yet, use Vulkan. IKR as a AMD user we can dream, cant we. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blppt.6042 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Quote It's not officially supported on Windows and Linux uses Fossilize to prebuild shader cache. Other than that it is usable and still faster and more stable than d912pxy. Just out of curiosity, are you using a Nvidia or AMD video card? In my experience, dxvk on windows for gw2 on my AMD card keeps giving the stupid "client crashed" error in WvW, although amusingly, it still runs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, blppt.6042 said: Just out of curiosity, are you using a Nvidia or AMD video card? In my experience, dxvk on windows for gw2 on my AMD card keeps giving the stupid "client crashed" error in WvW, although amusingly, it still runs. I get that too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blppt.6042 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 The problem is, that even after I move that client crash window off screen, there starts being some really annoying hitching in mobs /zergs in WvW. My guess is that the shader cache isn't caching the player models properly, has to keep loading them from scratch, and it never seems to improve with time, which most dx12/vulkan wrappers require. Are you using AMD or Nvidia? I'd use d912pxy, but it has a strange issue after a few days of usage where it kills overlays for other games and won't let Windows shutdown/reboot without a hard reset. I'd love to make dxvk usable on win 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charall.4710 Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 They implemented the DX11 patch and it breaks the game, the DX12PXY patch is still more stable. Stop trying to innovate and contact the devs of the 12 patch kitten Anet! 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythical.6315 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Dravvi.3146 said: They implemented the DX11 patch and it breaks the game, the DX12PXY patch is still more stable. Stop trying to innovate and contact the devs of the 12 patch kitten Anet! Did you miss the part about it being a beta? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charall.4710 Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 10 hours ago, mythical.6315 said: Did you miss the part about it being a beta? Just rename it an alpha test since thats the state its in, fyi the dx11 patch does not bring any notable performance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costepj.5120 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, Dravvi.3146 said: fyi the dx11 patch does not bring any notable performance. For you. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythical.6315 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Dravvi.3146 said: Just rename it an alpha test since thats the state its in, fyi the dx11 patch does not bring any notable performance. And others have seen notable performance increases. I also have not experienced any issues with the DX11 beta enabled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charall.4710 Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, costepj.5120 said: For you. For everyone, you love my posts dont you? I should send you a instagram link, lul Edited October 31, 2021 by Dravvi.3146 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charall.4710 Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, mythical.6315 said: And others have seen notable performance increases. I also have not experienced any issues with the DX11 beta enabled. Just gonna go ahead and disregard the bug reports forums and the crashes constantly mentioned in game, thats cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Dravvi.3146 said: Just rename it an alpha test since thats the state its in, fyi the dx11 patch does not bring any notable performance. These things aren't hard and fast but Alpha tests are normally a phase of testing performed in-house before releasing it to customers. Beta tests are those performed by customers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythical.6315 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dravvi.3146 said: Just gonna go ahead and disregard the bug reports forums and the crashes constantly mentioned in game, thats cool! GW2 itself has a lot of bugs. Does this mean everyone is experiencing them and the game is in alpha status? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Dravvi.3146 said: Just rename it an alpha test since thats the state its in, fyi the dx11 patch does not bring any notable performance. It makes night and day difference for me so don't use yourself as any reliable metric thank you. I get tons of performance boost. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maikimaik.1974 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 23 hours ago, Dravvi.3146 said: For everyone, you love my posts dont you? I should send you a instagram link, lul dx11 removed any kind of stuttering I experienced while moving the camera. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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